DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yea, I don't think they have to be an either/or... Especially if Elam does get traded. Johnson for Elam+2nd Wallace for a 6th. Still have 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) What's going on with embedding twitter links? Not working for me anymore x.com/TheBillsGuys/status/1719389689533411804 Edited October 31, 2023 by ndirish1978 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: Haha, true he's no world beater but year after year he beat out anyone we had compete with him for the no. 2 role. All I know is considering the recurring injuries and lack of depth at that spot, he's definitely roster-able for this team. That's true both now and last year. Yeah but I feel like he had some goodwill as McD’s pet project coming out of Alabama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: That was the McKissic/Commanders/Rivera drama with Beane and the Bills. Beane put his talks with Wallace on hold to try to get some Offensive help, and was working a deal with McKissic. When McKissic agreed, Beane slated that money for McKissic and dropped the Wallace talks and he got scooped by Pittsburgh. Then at the last second, McKissic's camp goes back to the Commanders FO who decide to match our offer, and McKissic decides to stay in Washington. Beane was PISSED. Angriest I've ever seen him at a presser, which isnt saying much, but seeing anything from him made it clear it was a big deal. Beane didn't pull an offer from Wallace though? Wallace literally said he made his decision because of the color shorts he was wearing. I am also not a huge Wallace fan. He is fine. I thought Dane was better down the stretch his last season. Both Benford and Jackson are better today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Johnson for Elam+2nd Wallace for a 6th. Still have 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Which one of those 2 is going to step up and be our #2 WR? We are still lacking one greatly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills742 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, ndirish1978 said: What's going on with embedding twitter links? Not working for me anymore x.com/TheBillsGuys/status/1719389689533411804 Use the twitter.com address and not x.com 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Which one of those 2 is going to step up and be our #2 WR? We are still lacking one greatly. Shorter next year. Miracle development Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: And honestly Wallace would be a nice addition for depth and not cost a whole lot. Johnson is clearly the better player but adding a start able option in case Dane or Benford get hurt is not a bad move at all. Johnson would obviously be better but it’s not a bad move to add cheaper depth. You get what you pay for. wait - forget that. This does not apply to the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Which one of those 2 is going to step up and be our #2 WR? We are still lacking one greatly. Disagree. The talent is there. It's up to Dorsey and Allen to use them. As evidence by the performance of Davis, Shakir, and Kincaid last game. Any and all of those guys can and should be our #2. And #3. And #4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mango said: Beane didn't pull an offer from Wallace though? Wallace literally said he made his decision because of the color shorts he was wearing. I am also not a huge Wallace fan. He is fine. I thought Dane was better down the stretch his last season. Both Benford and Jackson are better today. I agree there's no way we'd bring him back to start over Dane or Benford. But we'd be one injury away from starting Josh Norman, so... if we can bring Wallace back to prevent that I'd make the move, personally. Edited October 31, 2023 by Yobogoya! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Mango said: Beane didn't pull an offer from Wallace though? Wallace literally said he made his decision because of the color shorts he was wearing. I am also not a huge Wallace fan. He is fine. I thought Dane was better down the stretch his last season. Both Benford and Jackson are better today. Fair and accurate. The point was that the talks with Wallace fell apart because Beane focused on McKissic. Had McKissic not agreed, Beane would have used that money to match or beat Pitt's offer. Beane said it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Kind of feels like this is just the narrative that guy is putting out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Disagree. The talent is there. It's up to Dorsey and Allen to use them. As evidence by the performance of Davis, Shakir, and Kincaid last game. Any and all of those guys can and should be our #2. And #3. And #4. Teams adjust every game and Dorsey adjusts every dozen games. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I'm preparing myself to accept the typical trade of a late pick for Levi Wallace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Bills have $4.9M in cap space. There was talk of extending DaQuan Jones in the summer to open more cap space, but how many other levers do they have to pull? Rework Micah Hyde? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bills have $4.9M in cap space. There was talk of extending DaQuan Jones in the summer to open more cap space, but how many other levers do they have to pull? Rework Micah Hyde? Diggs and Allen have 48M reworkable free space I think Edited October 31, 2023 by balln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, BananaB said: Teams adjust every game and Dorsey adjusts every dozen games. With comments like these, you would think we had a bottom 10 offense. #2 in Total Touchdowns #4 in Points Per Game #5 in Yards Per Game #4 in Passing Per Game #12 in Yards Per Carry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bills have $4.9M in cap space. There was talk of extending DaQuan Jones in the summer to open more cap space, but how many other levers do they have to pull? Rework Micah Hyde? Jaylon's hit is less than 2 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'm preparing myself to accept the typical trade of a late pick for Levi Wallace There are rumors of this happening based on his Instagram post and I pray it isn't the case for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: With comments like these, you would think we had a bottom 10 offense. #2 in Total Touchdowns #4 in Points Per Game #5 in Yards Per Game #4 in Passing Per Game #12 in Yards Per Carry We had 3 straight games where we didn’t do ***** until we went no huddle. Did you not see that 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, BananaB said: We had 3 straight games where we didn’t do ***** until we went no huddle. Did you not see that Leave it for the fire dorsey thread, we don't need it here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, balln said: Diggs and Allen have 48M reworkable free space I think Well they'll have to pull levers again because in 2024 I heard they are already over the cap by $24M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, BananaB said: We had 3 straight games where we didn’t do ***** until we went no huddle. Did you not see that Do you watch the other 31 teams? Why isnt the wizard Shanahan adjusting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: With comments like these, you would think we had a bottom 10 offense. #2 in Total Touchdowns #4 in Points Per Game #5 in Yards Per Game #4 in Passing Per Game #12 in Yards Per Carry Maybe, but it was still funny.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: What's going on with embedding twitter links? Not working for me anymore x.com/TheBillsGuys/status/1719389689533411804 Either put a space after it or hit enter and it should work. Happens to me from time to time also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: With comments like these, you would think we had a bottom 10 offense. #2 in Total Touchdowns #4 in Points Per Game #5 in Yards Per Game #4 in Passing Per Game #12 in Yards Per Carry "but it just doesn't pass the eye test man, I was watching X teams highlights and man they are so good comparably!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, jletha said: Do you watch the other 31 teams? Why isnt the wizard Shanahan adjusting? No I don’t. Officiating is so bad I can’t watch anything but the Bills these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I'd give him the 15 mil per extension. That's reasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, balln said: Diggs and Allen have 48M reworkable free space I think Diggs doesn't really. Not without an extension. We kicked his can about as far as we can without an extension. Right now the team is basically locked into Diggs from now until 2027 at anywhere between $22M-$27M cap dollars per year. Any restructure would just increase that number in later years. I don't think I would extend Diggs past 34 years old right now. I highly doubt that if asked to do that today that that number is a super team friendly AAV. We have no idea what he or this team will look like in 2028. Allen has some more maneuverability, but that is more or less based on the likelihood of another extension. If we see or hear of an Allen restructure an extension is likely very close behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Disagree. The talent is there. It's up to Dorsey and Allen to use them. As evidence by the performance of Davis, Shakir, and Kincaid last game. Any and all of those guys can and should be our #2. And #3. And #4. Dear God...no. it's just no. Gabe Davis has had years to figure it out and it's not Dorsey, it's just not. It's a lack of pure talent. Davis is not a #2 and as long as Beane continues to die on that hill,so does our offense. 9 minutes ago, BananaB said: We had 3 straight games where we didn’t do ***** until we went no huddle. Did you not see that And...we did nothing the last 25 minutes of the Tampa game even with no huddle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BananaB said: Teams adjust every game and Dorsey adjusts every dozen games. Which means trading for another WR is even a BIGGER waste 15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Bills have $4.9M in cap space. There was talk of extending DaQuan Jones in the summer to open more cap space, but how many other levers do they have to pull? Rework Micah Hyde? Plenty to cover his salary this year. There will be lots of changes next year. Tre White, Poyer, Hyde, Morse, plus others will likely/could be gone and cap savings on each. 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Dear God...no. it's just no. Gabe Davis has had years to figure it out and it's not Dorsey, it's just not. It's a lack of pure talent. Davis is not a #2 and as long as Beane continues to die on that hill,so does our offense. It's #2 by committee. Kincaid is going to be the real #2 anyways. So we're really talking #3 and #4 WR. Shakir and Davis are good enough for that. Bringing in others isnt going to change much on Offense. If Dorsey and Josh can pull that off consistently, we'll be undefeated. Edited October 31, 2023 by DrDawkinstein 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) https://twitter.com/wbutterspgh/status/1719408311236239471?s=20 Levi traded to Washington Apparently its not true, I was misled by Jeremy White. Blame him Edited October 31, 2023 by jletha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Fair and accurate. The point was that the talks with Wallace fell apart because Beane focused on McKissic. Had McKissic not agreed, Beane would have used that money to match or beat Pitt's offer. Beane said it. This was a million years ago in football terms, but I thought I remembered both offers being comparable. Or even Pittsburgh's being less? Which added to the craziness of the lore of the black and yellow shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Yobogoya! said: If you're just trying to say that Johnson would be an upgrade over Benford / Dane and should start immediately, I certainly agree. If you think McDermott will immediately slot him into a starting position over either one of them if he were acquired, that's where I think it's a lot less likely than you do. I just don't think it's in his DNA to insert someone who has to "get up to speed" over a guy who has played himself into a starter role and has 2-3 experience in the scheme mid-season. That's a fair point. I don't know how long it'd take, but he seems on paper like a good fit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'd give him the 15 mil per extension. That's reasonable. If that's what he was actually asking for, he would have already been extended by the Bears and they wouldn't be trying to trade him. Likely far more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, jletha said: https://twitter.com/wbutterspgh/status/1719408311236239471?s=20 Wallace to Washington for a late pick. some of you can breathe a sigh of relief 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, jletha said: https://twitter.com/wbutterspgh/status/1719408311236239471?s=20 Levi traded to Washington Just helping out with the embed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack78 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: Is this legit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said: There are rumors of this happening based on his Instagram post and I pray it isn't the case for us. My guess is Beane is calling Pittsburgh about Wallace in case they lose out on Johnson. They need CB depth one way or another, and he'd be dumb to be putting all this eggs in one basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, wolfpack78 said: Is this legit hope to God it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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