bobobonators Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: He will fetch a first plus, if traded at this point. Plus a very big contract. I don’t see the Bills doing that. We will need a CB at some point anyway. I’d trade away a 1st round pick for a proven player. Our pick is going to be near the end of the 1st anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Beast said: At some point it’s about winning now. Elam and a 3rd, or two 3rds, and I do this in a heartbeat. I don’t care if it’s for only half a season. I agree I just don't think a very good, not elite CB is going to be the difference in us winning a Superbowl or not this year. Would rather trade a late round pick for a #3 depth CB in case Jackson or Benford go down. LB, DT, WR2 would have a much bigger impact this year, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Yobogoya! said: Ok I never said that McDermott "doesn't like INT's." What coordinator tells his defense not to intercept the ball if they can? I'm saying that he puts a higher premium on each individual member of the defense doing their part. I'm saying that if you don't understand the scheme and don't handle your responsibilities, he won't put you out there. A player that doesn't do their job won't have the CHANCE to intercept the ball. We've never gone after a player like, say, Marcus Peters. A player who is a huge ballhawk, but oftentimes to the detriment of the scheme overall. A player who is inclined to put his own stats above the team. Tell me, wise one... why do you think that is? Is it because McD "doesn't like INT's," or is it because he doesn't want a player to prioritize INT's over fundamentals? I'm not really sure what point you were trying to prove, honestly. Are you really going to try and say that McD doesn't emphasize understanding his scheme as a massive priority? That he won't sit a player who doesn't prove he can do that? The whole reason this trade thread is a thing is because he's benched a more talented player (Elam) for players who understand the defense and perform their role better (Jackson and Benford). Why are you acting like the point I made was ludicrous? Lol I thought my point was obvious -- we have scheme-sound boundary CBs who seem to have little to no nose for the ball, unlike Tre White. McDermott's defenses have long had CBs who are scheme-sound but who can at least make plays on the ball. Four games without an INT -- with three of those games against very bad offenses -- suggests that it's a problem. It's not about Elam. He sucks even if he can make the rare pick (when he's not being beaten like a drum). It's about guys who fit the scheme and who can also make plays. Dane Jackson is usually in the right place, but he doesn't make any game-changing plays. I guarantee you that the Bills want an upgrade over him. 2 minutes ago, Process said: I agree I just don't think a very good, not elite CB is going to be the difference in us winning a Superbowl or not this year. Would rather trade a late round pick for a #3 depth CB in case Jackson or Benford go down. LB, DT, WR2 would have a much bigger impact this year, IMO. The Bills' inability to stop bad passing attacks late in games (when teams have four downs to work with instead of three) has me very concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, balln said: Yea I want a high risk / reward D. Give me ball hawks and pass rushers. The whole philosophy w McD is wrong when you have a qb like Allen. the goal should be to have as many possessions for Allen and the off. It should not be to allow the other team to dink and dunk and burn time and keep Allen from more opportunities sounds like your describing Fraziers defense over the past several years. McD, especially when we had our guys healthy, was amongst the most aggressive schemes in the league. He is having guys get after the QB, players play "down hill" and attack. They led the NFL in take aways through the first four weeks. They still lead the league in pressure and are 2nd in sacks (with 20 missed sacks by the way, 20!). This is very much a ball hawk and pass rush defense, its just been severely hampered due to the injuries and figuring out ways to cope and still be agressive...like having Poyer play LB in passing situations and have Rapp on the field in Po's spot. Edited October 31, 2023 by PaattMaann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, bobobonators said: We will need a CB at some point anyway. I’d trade away a 1st round pick for a proven player. Our pick is going to be near the end of the 1st anyway. You can tie a 1st Round pick to 5 years with your team and not kill your cap, unlike Johnson who you'd have to sign to a significant extension to keep him here or let him walk and get a 3rd Rounder at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I thought my point was obvious -- we have scheme-sound boundary CBs who seem to have little to no nose for the ball, unlike Tre White. McDermott's defenses have long had CBs who are scheme-sound but who can at least make plays on the ball. Four games without an INT -- with three of those games against very bad offenses -- suggests that it's a problem. It's not about Elam. He sucks even if he can make the rare pick (when he's not being beaten like a drum). It's about guys who fit the scheme and who can also make plays. Dane Jackson is usually in the right place, but he doesn't make any game-changing plays. I guarantee you that the Bills want an upgrade over him. The Bills' inability to stop bad passing attacks late in games (when teams have four downs to work with instead of three) has me very concerned. If you're just trying to say that Johnson would be an upgrade over Benford / Dane and should start immediately, I certainly agree. If you think McDermott will immediately slot him into a starting position over either one of them if he were acquired, that's where I think it's a lot less likely than you do. I just don't think it's in his DNA to insert someone who has to "get up to speed" over a guy who has played himself into a starter role and has 2-3 experience in the scheme mid-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: You can tie a 1st Round pick to 5 years with your team and not kill your cap, unlike Johnson who you'd have to sign to a significant extension to keep him here or let him walk and get a 3rd Rounder at best. I don’t think we should give up a 1st but if you can get a proven young player on a first you do it even if it’s going to cost you salary. We went with the other approach and drafted Elam and he doesn’t see the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills742 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Hell yes!! In a heartbeat! Pull the trigger if you can get him for this Beane! Edited October 31, 2023 by Big Turk 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Hell yes!! In a heartbeat! Pull the trigger if you can get him for this Beane! I forgot about the extra draft capital Beane has. Bailey may be on to something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I just saw someone on twitter refer to having taron and jaylon as Johnson & Johnson and I have to say I kind of like it. Just now, Dunkirk Donski said: I forgot about the extra draft capital Beane has. Bailey may be on to something... if Roquan smith required, a 2, 5 and AJ Klein then maybe the comp 3 and a 3 in 25 could get the deal done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said: I forgot about the extra draft capital Beane has. Bailey may be on to something... Beane needs to get off this stockpiling picks BS. Trade a 2nd if you have to and give the kid a 5 year extension. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, SoonerBillsFan said: Beane needs to get off this stockpiling picks BS. Trade a 2nd if you have to and give the kid a 5 year extension. The flip side to this is that Johnson's agent may be realizing that no one is going to pay him what he wants and his best play may be to take the deal Chicago is willing to pay...if he likes it there. Otherwise he can try again in march when he is unrestricted but what if he gets hurt before then or plays poorly? This is probably why chicago let him talk to other teams so that he can get some clarity on the contract situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Tired of being run over by Edmunds, arriving late at the play? 🤔😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Wait until it says "Bills acquire Jaquon Johnson" to come back to Buffalo and see how mad our fans get when they misread it lolm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: Wait until it says "Bills acquire Jaquon Johnson" to come back to Buffalo and see how mad our fans get when they misread it lolm Please make it stop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Levi Wallace is posting eyeball emojis in his IG story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Probably bs but the account did call the sweat trade. Edited October 31, 2023 by rm -rf /* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Levi Wallace is posting eyeball emojis in his IG story Please make it stop.... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, Process said: I agree I just don't think a very good, not elite CB is going to be the difference in us winning a Superbowl or not this year. Would rather trade a late round pick for a #3 depth CB in case Jackson or Benford go down. LB, DT, WR2 would have a much bigger impact this year, IMO. I've seen a lot of people say this, and I get where you all are coming from. But the more I think about it every time I see it, I'm starting to think it really COULD be the difference. It's about defending the pass nowadays, we all know that. And adding a new #1 CB will make a much bigger difference than adding a #3. And if they can move the needle just a bit on a defense that has been performing well amidst our offensive struggles, then yeah, this could be a key piece to a championship. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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