hellofellowbillsfans Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 super minor detail i know and not sure if it's been mentioned....but one thing that was strange to me on the last Bills drive was that it seemed like Murray got HOSED for a bad spot. I thought it should've been 4th and inches instead of 4th and 2. Not sure if it changes McD's mind about punting but, at least with 4th and inches, I was a fan of sneaking to just ice the win there. did anyone else notice this? 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) Yup, he pushed to the 48 and came down between the 49-48 yard line and spotted the ball just about on the 49 yard line (1st down marker was at about the 47 1/2, 47 3/4). Unfortunately, within 2 minutes so couldn't challenge the spot and the booth wasn't going to call down to overrule it. Edited October 27, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, hellofellowbillsfans said: super minor detail i know and not sure if it's been mentioned....but one thing that was strange to me on the last Bills drive was that it seemed like Murray got HOSED for a bad spot. I thought it should've been 4th and inches instead of 4th and 2. Not sure if it changes McD's mind about punting but, at least with 4th and inches, I was a fan of sneaking to just ice the win there. did anyone else notice this? Yep. If they had given us the right spot is is 100% a go for it moment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Noticed this as well. The Ref on the far side was running in and aligning with the ref on the opposite side, as they do for determining the spot. They are basically taking an average of what the two Line refs saw. The one on the far side got bumped by a player, back towards the Bills side and never re adjusted his spot from where he got bumped. It was a bad spot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 We got ***** on the spot, and McDummy went 4th and puss yet again. 2 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I don’t understand why mcd taking so much for being conservative He hasn’t been in the past Their office was getting nowhere and we had the lead wouldn’t make sense not to get them good field position? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 Yes, it was a crap spot for sure. I also think we go for it if the spot was correct. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I don’t think that they were going to do any QB sneaks after Josh aggravated his shoulder injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 8 hours ago, hellofellowbillsfans said: super minor detail i know and not sure if it's been mentioned....but one thing that was strange to me on the last Bills drive was that it seemed like Murray got HOSED for a bad spot. I thought it should've been 4th and inches instead of 4th and 2. Not sure if it changes McD's mind about punting but, at least with 4th and inches, I was a fan of sneaking to just ice the win there. did anyone else notice this? McDermott actually explicitly said in an interview today that if that 4th down had been 4th and inches he would have gone for it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I was hoping this was about his “roster spot” and it was going to spark a discussion for replacements. The guy was a real nice story against Washington and LV but it’s time to please stop. Cook should be our Kamara and if we insist on a constant rotation, it can't be an old slow guy. Please stop wasting touches with this guy and please save McDermott from himself by bringing in another guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Yup. I mentioned it in the game day thread. Awful officiating crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Bezos didn’t pay $5 billion to get zero last second games. The spots and penalties or lack thereof were a gift to Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 You can’t sneak on 4th and 2 and expect to get it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t understand why mcd taking so much for being conservative He hasn’t been in the past Their office was getting nowhere and we had the lead wouldn’t make sense not to get them good field position? Obviously, that was the rationale. It was a 50-50 decision. Could have gone either way. Not necessarily a bad one. If they’d gone for it and somehow come up short, the same complainers would be questioning why they didn’t punt to pin Mayfield and the Bucs deep in their own territory. The D had been having success against them, so the choice to punt seemed like a reasonable one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 I’m sure it’s the Bills homer in me but I ALWAYS feel like refs consistently spot our guys a 1/2 yard short of where it should be on many plays yet the opposition gets spotted at the absolute positive limit of what they looked like they gained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t understand why mcd taking so much for being conservative He hasn’t been in the past Their office was getting nowhere and we had the lead wouldn’t make sense not to get them good field position? This is kind of where I’m at. I am a McDermott critic but I thought his game management was great Thursday When it’s 4th and 2 plus and you’re up 14 in the 4th, you punt in those spots especially when Tampas offence is horrible. And even if it was 4th and inches there, you still punt it and make Baker go 80-90’yards in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 17 hours ago, The Wiz said: Yup, he pushed to the 48 and came down between the 49-48 yard line and spotted the ball just about on the 49 yard line (1st down marker was at about the 47 1/2, 47 3/4). Unfortunately, within 2 minutes so couldn't challenge the spot and the booth wasn't going to call down to overrule it. You can’t challenge it, but if you don’t waste your timeouts on defense the drive before you can call one and then make a big stink on the sideline to hopefully get a booth review. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t understand why mcd taking so much for being conservative He hasn’t been in the past Their office was getting nowhere and we had the lead wouldn’t make sense not to get them good field position? I wonder if Daboll pushed him to be more aggressive? Dorsey won't stand up to him. Edited October 28, 2023 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 18 hours ago, The Wiz said: Yup, he pushed to the 48 and came down between the 49-48 yard line and spotted the ball just about on the 49 yard line (1st down marker was at about the 47 1/2, 47 3/4). Unfortunately, within 2 minutes so couldn't challenge the spot and the booth wasn't going to call down to overrule it. So the Officials on the field or in NY saw no need to discuss the spot of the ball on what might have been one of the most important plays of the game? No need for a measurement? If coaches cant challenge, the expectation is that the officials will do their job and confirm a fair spot of the ball using replay. Apparently every single one of them forgot to? What was McD doing at that point? Can he ask? I'm trying to remember if he was aware of how bad the spot was ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 It should have been 4th and inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 7 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: This is kind of where I’m at. I am a McDermott critic but I thought his game management was great Thursday When it’s 4th and 2 plus and you’re up 14 in the 4th, you punt in those spots especially when Tampas offence is horrible. And even if it was 4th and inches there, you still punt it and make Baker go 80-90’yards in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts.. I'm a McD skeptic and I had no issue with either punt. Perfectly fine decisions there. The timeout on defense on the last series after their first or second play was dumb. The worst was letting Dorsey rub Murray out of shotgun on the 6 in line. That has to be under center with a fullback(preferably a DT) or Allen sneak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I'm a McD skeptic and I had no issue with either punt. Perfectly fine decisions there. The timeout on defense on the last series after their first or second play was dumb. The worst was letting Dorsey rub Murray out of shotgun on the 6 in line. That has to be under center with a fullback(preferably a DT) or Allen sneak. Absolutely. At first I thought it may have been an RPO, but after looking at the replay, I see that it’s just a straight up hand off. The WRs don’t even move on the snap. They just stand there. If you’re going to so that, then put in your big guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 9 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: And even if it was 4th and inches there, you still punt it and make Baker go 80-90’yards in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts.. And he almost did it. Unfortunately, the defense is anti-clutch right now so the safest defense in that situation is to get the first down. The offense needs to close it out because the defense can’t be relied on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: And he almost did it. Unfortunately, the defense is anti-clutch right now so the safest defense in that situation is to get the first down. The offense needs to close it out because the defense can’t be relied on. Offence has to close it out on 3rd down, agreed But you have to punt that ball on 4th. Under 0 circumstances should an offence go 80-90 yards in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts. (Which they didn’t) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Thoughts the spots were consistently bad all game long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 If you want to talk about bad refs just look back to the bucs TD where there was a bills LB jumping to try to int the ball and got shoved mid-air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/27/2023 at 6:56 PM, John from Riverside said: I don’t understand why mcd taking so much for being conservative He hasn’t been in the past Their office was getting nowhere and we had the lead wouldn’t make sense not to get them good field position? You don't have to play the field position game if you keep your foot on the gas and stop playing not to lose. Not dissing your idea at all, I get it, just my mindset on not letting up. I like the bench josh in the 4th quarter Bills best lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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