NFL wants to eliminate "hip drop" tackles

[BaaadThingsMan]

I think they should,  those tackles lead to alot of injuries. 

 

In my opinion those types of tackles are weak and cowardice.

 

If you can't tackle a player without laying on the back of his legs like that then you shouldn't be in the league. 

[Dr.Sack]

It’s definitely like a horse collar tackle. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Ironic, the nfl want to keep putting safety rules in place yet injuries are sky rocking at a faster pace than ever before. Seems to be having the opposite affect. 

now try imagine what it would look like w out the safety rules lol

 

it would be an absolute bloodbath

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

now try imagine what it would look like w out the safety rules lol

 

it would be an absolute bloodbath

Like the 70s and 80s

[ngbills]

Guys would get hurt if it were flag football. I wonder how many injuries are due to big hits vs just random stuff. Most of our injuries have all seemed to be on normal plays that could not be avoided with some rule change. 

[uninja]

I do sometimes wonder how you're supposed to officiate or control how this works in a game as fast and as violent as NFL football. We're favoring the passing game, so defenders are getting smaller, faster and more agile/athletic. As a result, they're being forced to tackle players that are bigger than them. That puts the defender at a disadvantage when trying to tackle. What is the defenders supposed to do other than drop their legs out from under them, using the weight of their body as a means to create dead weight and bring the offensive player down?

 

So many of these ticky tack rules, it makes for a worse overall game because if the play isn't executed perfectly by everyone on the field the offensive is either gifted a fresh set of downs or is walking back 10-15 yards and the drive is basically on life support.

 

Frankly, and I know this sounds insane, but they should just get rid of pads/helmets and force the players to play that way. Instead of trying to legislate safety but forcing players to wear more armor and get faster/stronger, force players to protect their bodies because there isn't anything protect them. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Ironic, the nfl want to keep putting safety rules in place yet injuries are sky rocking at a faster pace than ever before. Seems to be having the opposite affect. 

The league needs to do a better job at maintaining their playing fields. Natural grass is the safest choice and a multibillion dollar league shouldn't cheap out on astroturf while claiming to promote player safety.

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The league needs to do a better job at maintaining their playing fields. Natural grass is the safest choice and a multibillion dollar league shouldn't cheap out on astroturf while claiming to promote player safety.

Agreed. That should be priority one. 

[Warcodered]

It'd be helpful if they included a clip of what they were talking about, a lot harder to understand just from a still.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Like the 70s and 80s

w todays athletes lol

[BaaadThingsMan]

6 minutes ago, uninja said:

I do sometimes wonder how you're supposed to officiate or control how this works in a game as fast and as violent as NFL football. We're favoring the passing game, so defenders are getting smaller, faster and more agile/athletic. As a result, they're being forced to tackle players that are bigger than them. That puts the defender at a disadvantage when trying to tackle. What is the defenders supposed to do other than drop their legs out from under them, using the weight of their body as a means to create dead weight and bring the offensive player down?

 

So many of these ticky tack rules, it makes for a worse overall game because if the play isn't executed perfectly by everyone on the field the offensive is either gifted a fresh set of downs or is walking back 10-15 yards and the drive is basically on life support.

 

Frankly, and I know this sounds insane, but they should just get rid of pads/helmets and force the players to play that way. Instead of trying to legislate safety but forcing players to wear more armor and get faster/stronger, force players to protect their bodies because there isn't anything protect them. 

They are supposed to tackle the way they were taught as kids.

 

Either lead with your shoulder and drive thru the man keeping your head up or hit and wrap your arms around their legs.

 

Grabbing on and dropping your dead weight onto a runners legs isn't taught on any fields. 

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It'd be helpful if they included a clip of what they were talking about, a lot harder to understand just from a still.

The picture shows a version of the tackle.

 

Look at the runners ankle snapping. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by BaaadThingsMan

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It'd be helpful if they included a clip of what they were talking about, a lot harder to understand just from a still.

 

 

 

 

This is for rugby but explains it well.

Edited October 18, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[Bray Wyatt]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It'd be helpful if they included a clip of what they were talking about, a lot harder to understand just from a still.

 

Basically, the player grabs them from behind and then just uses their weight to pull them down. They let "their hips drop" to the ground to bring them down.

[Fleezoid]

The irony of implementing the Horse Collar Tackle rule then all the players stopped wearing them.

[H2o]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

now try imagine what it would look like w out the safety rules lol

 

it would be an absolute bloodbath

I miss these days

[Herc11]

10 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

They are supposed to tackle the way they were taught as kids.

 

Either lead with your shoulder and drive thru the man keeping your head up or hit and wrap your arms around their legs.

 

Grabbing on and dropping your dead weight onto a runners legs isn't taught on any fields. 

The picture shows a version of the tackle.

 

Look at the runners ankle snapping. 

 

How do you lead with your shoulder and drive through a player when trying to tackle from behind?

 

These tackles don't occur when the defensive player is facing them head on. It's typically from the side or the back when the defensive player is in pursuit. What's next? Once a player gets by you, you have to let them go?

[BaaadThingsMan]

Just now, Herc11 said:

 

How do you lead with your shoulder and drive through a player when trying to tackle from behind?

 

These tackles don't occur when the defensive player is facing them head on. It's typically from the side or the back when the defensive player is in pursuit. What's next? Once a player gets by you, you have to let them go?

In that case you go for the legs

[Herc11]

1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

In that case you go for the legs

Right. The two moving parts that are significantly more difficult to get a hold of than the body.

[DapperCam]

This will be very difficult to enforce 

[BaaadThingsMan]

Just now, Herc11 said:

Right. The two moving parts that are significantly more difficult to get a hold of than the body.

Specifically the lower legs. You hit and wrap your arms around their lower legs. 

5 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

How do you lead with your shoulder and drive through a player when trying to tackle from behind?

 

These tackles don't occur when the defensive player is facing them head on. It's typically from the side or the back when the defensive player is in pursuit. What's next? Once a player gets by you, you have to let them go?

BTW you can hit someone from the side and drive through the tackle FYI

[Warcodered]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

 

 

This is for rugby but explains it well.

This makes some sense pulling down from behind and also basically sweeping or landing on the legs, I could see how that'd be bad and they'd want to not have that.

12 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

Basically, the player grabs them from behind and then just uses their weight to pull them down. They let "their hips drop" to the ground to bring them down.

This I'm less certain of if that's what they're talking about that seems extreme.

[VaMilBill]

21 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

How do you lead with your shoulder and drive through a player when trying to tackle from behind?

 

These tackles don't occur when the defensive player is facing them head on. It's typically from the side or the back when the defensive player is in pursuit. What's next? Once a player gets by you, you have to let them go?

Agree. And if you are chasing someone down from behind and can’t hip drop I can imagine more head and neck injuries occurring as a defender from behind is trying to tackler whilst at the same time someone from upfield is trying to tackle and they collide. 

[boyst]

Pussification

[Mr. WEO]

40 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It'd be helpful if they included a clip of what they were talking about, a lot harder to understand just from a still.

 

[BaaadThingsMan]

3 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Agree. And if you are chasing someone down from behind and can’t hip drop I can imagine more head and neck injuries occurring as a defender from behind is trying to tackler whilst at the same time someone from upfield is trying to tackle and they collide. 

So they should just break the ball carriers ankle or leg instead? 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

I think they should,  those tackles lead to alot of injuries. 

 

In my opinion those types of tackles are weak and cowardice.

 

If you can't tackle a player without laying on the back of his legs like that then you shouldn't be in the league. 

Omg you can’t get rid of all injuries in a contact sport! If you couldn’t tackle like that Gronk would never be taken down in his entire career. 
 

Also it isn’t cowardly it’s proper form for taking down very large men for the usually much smaller secondary guys. Just dumb to eliminate.. yes eliminate hitting the head but this I disagree with.

[BaaadThingsMan]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

Omg you can’t get rid of all injuries in a contact sport! If you couldn’t tackle like that Gronk would never be taken down in his entire career. 
 

Also it isn’t cowardly it’s proper form for taking down very large men for the usually much smaller secondary guys. Just dumb to eliminate.. yes eliminate hitting the head but this I disagree with.

There's nothing proper about putting all your weight on someone and collapsing on the back of their legs

It's weak

[PatsFanNH]

39 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

They are supposed to tackle the way they were taught as kids.

 

Either lead with your shoulder and drive thru the man keeping your head up or hit and wrap your arms around their legs.

 

Grabbing on and dropping your dead weight onto a runners legs isn't taught on any fields. 

The picture shows a version of the tackle.

 

Look at the runners ankle snapping. 

Lol you’re wrong, it’s taught in Pop Warner as well as HS, I don’t know about college yet but when my son goes there I can tell you. 
 

and his Nile wasn’t snapping, dang! Talk about drama where there is none. I mean you keep limiting how they are tackled you will have score like 210-205.. just silly. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I do believe most men would love to wrap her up.. lol… 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lol you’re wrong, it’s taught in Pop Warner as well as HS, I don’t know about college yet but when my son goes there I can tell you. 
 

and his Nile wasn’t snapping, dang! Talk about drama where there is none. I mean you keep limiting how they are tackled you will have score like 210-205.. just silly. 

I do believe most men would love to wrap her up.. lol… 

 

those hip drops are illegal in Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, both Dakotas.

[Draconator]

Not a fan of this. Unless the master plan is to turn the NFL into 17 weeks of flag football. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lol you’re wrong, it’s taught in Pop Warner as well as HS, I don’t know about college yet but when my son goes there I can tell you. 
 

and his Nile wasn’t snapping, dang! Talk about drama where there is none. I mean you keep limiting how they are tackled you will have score like 210-205.. just silly. 

That is not taught to little kids and if it is those coaches shouldnt be coaching.

 

Dropping your weight onto the back of a players legs has no placecin the game.

 

That picture is of his actual injury. He snapped his ankle on that play.

Edited October 18, 2023 by BaaadThingsMan

[PatsFanNH]

4 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

There's nothing proper about putting all your weight on someone and collapsing on the back of their legs

It's weak

Did you ever play football? Sometimes that’s the only move you got because your diving make the tackle. It’s not weak at all, it’s a normal part of the game. What’s weak are the people wanting to make every hit illegal unless it’s in a very small window from the front.. 

 

1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

That is not taught to little kids and if it is those coaches shouldnt be coaching.

 

Dropping your weight onto the back of a players legs has no placecin the game.

 

That picture is of his actual injury. He snapped his ankle on that play.

 

1 minute ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

That is not taught to little kids and if it is those coaches shouldnt be coaching.

 

Dropping your weight onto the back of a players legs has no placecin the game.

 

That picture is of his actual injury. He snapped his ankle on that play.

Dude I sat threw every practice and game my son had for Pop Warner. It is taught and accepted and legal. It’s not the preferred tackle but if you’re playing catch up it’s all you have.  I think we will just disagree here because I don’t want everything taking out of the game.. injuries happen. 

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

those hip drops are illegal in Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin, both Dakotas.

Thanks! But that’s still a very very small percentage of the country.. and hardly football country at that. 

[Brand J]

Ridiculous but I’ll give them that if they’re willing to revisit what constitutes roughing the passer. That’s my most infuriating penalty.

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Did you ever play football? Sometimes that’s the only move you got because your diving make the tackle. It’s not weak at all, it’s a normal part of the game. What’s weak are the people wanting to make every hit illegal unless it’s in a very small window from the front.. 

 

 

Dude I sat threw every practice and game my son had for Pop Warner. It is taught and accepted and legal. It’s not the preferred tackle but if you’re playing catch up it’s all you have.  I think we will just disagree here because I don’t want everything taking out of the game.. injuries happen. 

It's weak and there's no place in the game for it. 

 

If I were you I'd coach that out of your son now. 

 

How would you feel if someone did that to your son and he ended up with a broken leg?  

 

Still ok with you?

[peterpan]

That would leave no way to talk a player from behind 

[PatsFanNH]

Just now, BaaadThingsMan said:

It's weak and there's no place in the game for it. 

 

If I were you I'd coach that out of your son now. 

 

How would you feel if someone did that to your son and he ended up with a broken leg?  

 

Still ok with you?

Lol I don’t have to worry about that he plays Guard and DE so he rarely is chasing anyone from behind and if he is he ain’t catching him.. lol 

 

I wouldn’t be angry about it. It’s part of the game.  Only time I got upset about an injury he got was his broken collar bone because it was a cheap shot with a helmet to his shoulder blade that was being held up so they could do it.. as he layer on the ground covering the ball he had caused.. but again an injury happens on a legal play it’s life and I rather they focus on the knock and head injuries and not so much on legs that usually heal rather easily. 

[Herc11]

8 minutes ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

So they should just break the ball carriers ankle or leg instead? 

 

It's a physical sport. Injuries are are a price of doing business in football and an acceptable risk that many are willing to take to play the game. Of course you want to limit them. No one wants a player out because of injury or to have life-long issues as a result. At least these guys are heavily compensated for the risk they are taking. 

 

If the NFL is so concerned about injuries, why aren't they changing fields to grass? They just played multiple weeks in London on a surface that players complained of being like cement. They agreed to that surface over the grass surface that was already there. Surely because the soccer fokes said they didn't want them tearing up their field. The NFL is so greedy and wanted their international games so bad, they allowed players to play on cement-like turf.

 

[BaaadThingsMan]

1 minute ago, Herc11 said:

 

It's a physical sport. Injuries are are a price of doing business in football and an acceptable risk that many are willing to take to play the game. Of course you want to limit them. No one wants a player out because of injury or to have life-long issues as a result. At least these guys are heavily compensated for the risk they are taking. 

 

If the NFL is so concerned about injuries, why aren't they changing fields to grass? They just played multiple weeks in London on a surface that players complained of being like cement. They agreed to that surface over the grass surface that was already there. Surely because the soccer fokes said they didn't want them tearing up their field. The NFL is so greedy and wanted their international games so bad, they allowed players to play on cement-like turf.

 

I think they should play on all grass fields personally. That's a separate issue but one that should be fixed asap. 

 

Doesn't mean they shouldn't look at other things to improve player safety.

 

The hip drop is an unnecessary play imo.

[julian]

This is crazy.. I used to roll my eyes at people who warned of the slippery slope when previous rule changes occurred in the name of safety and I was wrong and they were correct.

 

 It’s a contact sport with large athletes playing, at some point the risk of injury must be accepted or just grow a set of balls and make the NFL a non contact league and get it over with.

 

 This slow drip turning the game of football into a different viewing product is painful.

[Augie]

Things can happen very fast. It’s a violent game, and I don’t want to stop, review or argue over one more thing that used to just be called football. 

 

I’m sure Tua disagrees with me.