Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I can't find anything as of yet, but all the talk has been as if we are losing him for the season. Just wondering if it's been confirmed yet or not that he did tear his pec. I know I have been operating off the assumption he is lost for the season, but that is just soley based on everyone else's talk like he is, yet I still can't find anything that says he is actually out for the season and the pec is torn. Hoping it is still possible its a strain or something versus it being a torn pec...so am I missing something, or is it still possible he isn't lost for the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Nothing I've seen, but in the press conference, McDermott said it didn't look good. I think most of us are making assumptions based on that comment from the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I haven't seen anything yet. If it is a torn pec that's like a six month minimum recovery so that'd be the season for him. I base this off a couple of pro wrestlers who tore their pec recently. Cody Rhodes was out from like April 2022 to January 2023 (he actually finished his recovery ahead of schedule.) Another guy, Danhausen, tore his in March and only as of last week has it been stated that he'll be returning soon. Friggin bummer. Kinda felt like the Bengals playoff loss. I mean, Timmy Settle seems like a great team guy but when he has to go spell Daquan for an extended set of snaps the results aren't great. I dunno. They can mix it up at DT though. Groot can line up there, they'll get Poona rolling again I'm sure. I think Shaq could take some snaps there if needed. I'm thinking maybe they'll get creative in trying to replace him but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Nothing yet, but a Pec (as speculated) would likely be season ending. Your best bet for proven run plugger is probably Ford, but he was unimpressive in pre season. Edited October 9, 2023 by Boatdrinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Fully torn Pec and he's done for the year. Anything less and we could get him back anywhere between 5-10 games from now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: Fully torn Pec and he's done for the year. Anything less and we could get him back anywhere between 5-10 games from now. Hoping while we still can hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimboG Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 If he could somehow be back for the playoffs that would be a huge boost. I'm not optimistic though, based on McD's initial comments yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Watching the Defense lose its 1st, 3rd, and 4th most important players in a span of two weeks is a real letdown for this team's Super Bowl aspirations...hopefully they can stitch together a serviceable enough D with the players remaining to allow Josh Allen and the Offense to win games in a "shoot-out" fashion. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Special K said: Watching the Defense lose its 1st, 3rd, and 4th most important players in a span of two weeks is a real letdown for this team's Super Bowl aspirations...hopefully they can stitch together a serviceable enough D with the players remaining to allow Josh Allen and the Offense to win games in a "shoot-out" fashion. Okay, I'll bite: who's #2, and when should we expect to see them go down in a pile with a ruptured spleen? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 He's dead, Jim. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rubes said: Okay, I'll bite: who's #2, and when should we expect to see them go down in a pile with a ruptured spleen? 1. Matt Milano 2. Von Miller(when fully healthy) 3. Tre White 4. DaQuan Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Special K said: 1. Matt Milano 2. Von Miller(when fully healthy) 3. Tre White 4. DaQuan Jones I'd replace Tre White with Taron Johnson. Tre looked to be on his way back to a good corner, but Benford is playing around the same level. I'd like to see what we look like with Ford before I say Daquan Jones is/was Top 4. Matt Milano is definitely a big loss, but at one of the easiest positions on a defense to fill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Special K said: 1. Matt Milano 2. Von Miller(when fully healthy) 3. Tre White 4. DaQuan Jones No disresptect...but let me update your list. 1. Matt Milano 2. Daquan Jones . . 3. Tre White 4. Von Miller I love Tre White and Von Miller...but their importance to this team are not on the same level as Milano and Jones right now. Jones has been the best DT in football the first 4 weeks and was hurt doing what he does blowing up 3rd down to force 3 and out on the first drive. This team can live without Tre and proven that as Bills have had statisticaly the best secondary in the NFL over the past 3 seasons coming in despite Tre missing basically a season and a half of that between the injury and then not being near himself when he first returned. Von, while he was great last year before being hurt, isn't nearly as essential this year with Floyd here, Groot growing more, and AJE emerging. So while I am excited to see if he can get back, even if he does, the pass rush isn't going to get the same boost given how well the others are playing compared to how much Milano boosts the defense when he is on the field and Jones boosts the interior play at DT when he is. 1 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulds 808080 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) I agree with Tre White over Milano that being said the only reason I say that is Elam is a liability out there Dobson came in and did a good job Edited October 9, 2023 by Moulds 808080 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'd replace Tre White with Taron Johnson. I would have Taron Johnson number 5 on my list...he was laying on the turf looking like he was done for the season, but thankfully he popped back up and returned to the game.....at least the Bills were able to dodge that bullet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Special K said: 1. Matt Milano 2. Von Miller(when fully healthy) 3. Tre White 4. DaQuan Jones Who made up this fake list? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No disresptect...but let me update your list. 1. Matt Milano 2. Daquan Jones . . 3. Tre White 4. Von Miller Fair enough, but you have to factor in a veteran presence and locker room leadership.... that's where Tre and Von excel.....not to mention the fact that when you need a big play in an important moment, guys like Tre and Von always rise to the occasion in those moments...so does Milano. 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Who made up this fake list? 🤣 Me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Special K said: Me You're kidding? Edited October 9, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No disresptect...but let me update your list. 1. Matt Milano 2. Daquan Jones . . 3. Tre White 4. Von Miller I love Tre White and Von Miller...but their importance to this team are not on the same level as Milano and Jones right now. Jones has been the best DT in football the first 4 weeks and was hurt doing what he does blowing up 3rd down to force 3 and out on the first drive. This team can live without Tre and proven that as Bills have had statisticaly the best secondary in the NFL over the past 3 seasons coming in despite Tre missing basically a season and a half of that between the injury and then not being near himself when he first returned. Von, while he was great last year before being hurt, isn't nearly as essential this year with Floyd here, Groot growing more, and AJE emerging. So while I am excited to see if he can get back, even if he does, the pass rush isn't going to get the same boost given how well the others are playing compared to how much Milano boosts the defense when he is on the field and Jones boosts the interior play at DT when he is. Agree 100%. we have other DE who have stepped up in Millers absence, no one can likely do what Daquan did on a game in and game out basis. he and Milano are the most irreplaceable (or have the highest WAR). 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Your kidding? no plus, its You're kidding? Edited October 9, 2023 by Special K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Special K said: no plus, its You're kidding? Thank you, I'll go ahead and edit it for you Edited October 9, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Thank you You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) We don't know how what grade Jones' tear is. He could be back this year if it's grade 1 or possibly if it's grade 2. TJ Watt missed 7 games (partial tear). Edited October 9, 2023 by starrymessenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: We don't know how what grade Jones' tear is. He could be back this year if it's grade 1 or possibly if it's grade 2. Here's to hoping! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Von, while he was great last year before being hurt, isn't nearly as essential this year with Floyd here, Groot growing more, and AJE emerging. One other thing to consider here.....its likely that Groot and Epenesa have emerged due to the fact that Von has taken them "under his wing", so to speak and "coached them up", if you will. Not to mention the fact that the likely reason Floyd signed here for less money was due to the fact he was a prior teammate of Von's and was interested in playing with him again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Special K said: One other thing to consider here.....its likely that Groot and Epenesa have emerged due to the fact that Von has taken them "under his wing", so to speak and "coached them up", if you will. Not to mention the fact that the likely reason Floyd signed here for less money was due to the fact he was a prior teammate of Von's and was interested in playing with him again. All fair points prior to today. But week in and week out of winning on that football field this season, Daquan is of higher importance of being on the field than Von given the players we have at Edge already and the importance of Jones in the middle. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 He signed a two year contract in 2022 and I wonder if Beane and his agent were talking extension to contact prior to injury. https://overthecap.com/player/daquan-jones/3051 2023 Salary Cap Charge: $8,583,333 (3.77% of cap) 2023 Cash Payout: $6,750,000 (2.50% of spending) 2023 Cash to Cap Ratio: 0.79 Contract Value: $14,000,000 ($7,000,000 APY) Fully Guaranteed Money: $10,625,000 Contract Ranking: 40/245 at IDL He may go into free agency off IR which is not good for player. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38602551/bills-lb-matt-milano-carted-london-knee-injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 In McDermott's presser, noted that DaQuan's injury "will require surgery" Surgery = tear, not a sprain. He's probably done for the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I guess we find out all about Poona Ford and D Williams now. This season is all about the offense anyway. the #1 all-healthy Defense isn't stopping Philly, SF or KC anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 About Elam -- Any thoughts that he stunk the place up on purpose, so the Bills can't get anything for him in a trade? Probably not. I think we all saw why he's been a healthy scratch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Assuming Daquan goes on IR I'd be okay going to a former Panther Bravvion Roy who I think is in the Ravens PS. 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: I guess we find out all about Poona Ford and D Williams now. This season is all about the offense anyway. the #1 all-healthy Defense isn't stopping Philly, SF or KC anyway Because KC has a great offense this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I can't find anything as of yet, but all the talk has been as if we are losing him for the season. Just wondering if it's been confirmed yet or not that he did tear his pec. I know I have been operating off the assumption he is lost for the season, but that is just soley based on everyone else's talk like he is, yet I still can't find anything that says he is actually out for the season and the pec is torn. Hoping it is still possible its a strain or something versus it being a torn pec...so am I missing something, or is it still possible he isn't lost for the season? McDermott said he would need surgery. Doesn't know yet if it's "season ending". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Rigotz said: In McDermott's presser, noted that DaQuan's injury "will require surgery" Surgery = tear, not a sprain. He's probably done for the year. Nits: A sprain is a ligament injury A strain is a muscle injury Like sprains, which vary in severity from stretching but no tearing of the ligament to completely torn ligament Strains have the same variance. So the surgery is because it's a strain, but a severe one - probably Grade III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: I guess we find out all about Poona Ford and D Williams now. This season is all about the offense anyway. the #1 all-healthy Defense isn't stopping Philly, SF or KC anyway It's absolutely not all about offense. It never is. Defense has its part to play. Philly, for one, has been neld to 23 points and 25 twice. KC has been held to 17 And to 23. SF hasn't been held yet, but they will be, especially when they go up against some decent defenses. That's the way it works. Look at last year. Look at every team every year, really. Even the best offenses will have some bad offensive games. But yeah, we'll find out about Poona and Williams. Damn shame about those injuries, though. 11 hours ago, Beck Water said: Nits: A sprain is a ligament injury A strain is a muscle injury Like sprains, which vary in severity from stretching but no tearing of the ligament to completely torn ligament Strains have the same variance. So the surgery is because it's a strain, but a severe one - probably Grade III Yeah, we'll know when they announce it. That's an absolutely crucial cog, though. He's been terrific. Edited October 10, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 19 hours ago, starrymessenger said: We don't know how what grade Jones' tear is. He could be back this year if it's grade 1 or possibly if it's grade 2. TJ Watt missed 7 games (partial tear). If it's grade 1 or grade 2, McDermott wouldn't be talking about him needing surgery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Beck Water said: If it's grade 1 or grade 2, McDermott wouldn't be talking about him needing surgery. I think RWC was pointing out that TJ Watt had surgery. I don't think his was a grade 3 tear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, Beck Water said: If it's grade 1 or grade 2, McDermott wouldn't be talking about him needing surgery. According to this, all three types can have surgical solutions. https://www.howardluksmd.com/torn-pectoral-tendon-treatment/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 11:43 AM, iccrewman112 said: Agree 100%. we have other DE who have stepped up in Millers absence, no one can likely do what Daquan did on a game in and game out basis. he and Milano are the most irreplaceable (or have the highest WAR). We could've absorbed the Tre loss. But losing these 2 in London just F's the season. Don't be surprised if you see "amped Josh" more in situations where he took the short stuff given. We'll have to rely basically on the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Daquon is a humongous loss. The only silver lining is that he won't cost as much to re-sign, he was on track for an all-pro season. We need to extend him this offseason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) I have a question regarding Jones. I keep reading how he is our best defensive player along with Milano and White. Is this analysis based on the first games of this season or was this everyone’s understanding coming into the season. I would have thought in a preseason ranking Rousseau , Poyer, Miller, Hyde and Oliver were all viewed as more important pieces. Edited October 11, 2023 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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