New-found Respect for Stef

[pocoboy]

Diggs got so much heat for those points in 2022 where he wore his emotions on his sleeve. He knows as much as anyone about what's contributing to this slump that Allen is in. Whether it's Allen letting his hubris take over instead of coaching points, or being distracted by the stardom, or simply not doing the work preparing for the game, I surely think Diggs was (and is) onto something.

 

I think we all wanted to give Josh the benefit of the doubt - Dorsey, elbow, OL struggles - but I don't think Diggs reacts that way if it's truly any of that.

[Einstein]

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump.

 

I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs.

 

It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease.

 

Edit: A few posters pointed out that one of the interceptions I thought was intended for Diggs was actually intended for Hardy.

Edited September 12, 2023 by Einstein

[MAJBobby]

Diggs is a Leader. He has earned that C. 

[KDIGGZ]

Diggs is a beast. He expects that level of focus and effort out of everyone and he's not getting it. If he's frustrated then that is totally understandable. He's putting everything he has into this and I don't think anyone else on this team can say the same thing. Definitely not the guy who is the "face" of the franchise, that's for sure. I wish we had 22 Diggs' on the field last night

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump.

 

I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs.

 

It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease.

Nope. Just Allen being Allen. 
 

there is a reason he has more turnovers than games played 

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump.

 

I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs.

 

It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease.

When Allen fumbled it he tried to pick it up so he could throw it to Diggs to appease him..

[JohnBonhamRocks]

If you told me there was one offensive captain and asked me who it was, then I would have to say Diggs after watching last night. 

[billieve420]

I think whatever happened last season it was definitely between the QB and WR. Seems like neither handled it like adults in the offseason which caused it to linger. This led to people questioning why the Bills hadn't squashed whatever the problem was once the season ended. 

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If you told me there was one offensive captain and asked me who it was, then I would have to say Diggs after watching last night. 

 

Yeah, last night maybe. Pity he's been lacking in leadership in the recent past.

[C.Biscuit97]

Dude is a baller and games. I get his point about waiting the ball and caring so much. I do think he can be a better leader and he is too self absorbed. 
 

but he is a warrior and given the competition, that might have been his best game as a Bill. Shame we wasted it. 

[Blackbeard]

Love him or hate him, Diggs is THE star on this team over everyone else.

 

Talent, grit, desire.  It's ALL there.  

 

 

[starrymessenger]

Diggs is not the problem. I'd love to hear what he thinks the problem is (not that I ever will).

[Turbo44]

36 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump.

 

I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs.

 

It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease.

Incorrect - 1st INT ws intended for Hardy (or whatever his name is), 2nd to Diggs, 3rd to Gabe; so he spreads his bad throws around.  What he really should have done is throw the ball to Kinkaid underneath for 7 yards every play until the Jets covered it.

[Jauronimo]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I think Diggs is a contributing factor (though not the only one) of Allen’s slump.

 

I do not think it’s any coincidence that 2 of Allen’s 3 interceptions came while forcing the ball to Diggs.

 

It doesn’t excuse them, but it does make me wonder if Allen is attempting to appease.

The first INT forced to Harty.  The second to Diggs. The third INT forced to Gabe Davis.  You are incorrrect.

[Buddy Hix]

6 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Diggs is not the problem. I'd love to hear what he thinks the problem is (not that I ever will).

I think Diggs was/is pissed that Allen isn’t focused on football…rightfully so, it would seem. Diggs acts and performs like a pro, Josh, not so much.

[DasNootz]

Diggs is clearly the leader of this team.  I don't know why "fans" crap on him.  He has combination of the skillset and the drive that we all want in our players.  When things are turbulent, he's the one trying to get Josh's head back in it, he was the one trying to get his teammates ready to play after Hamlin went down (and the first one to go to the hospital afterwards). Watching him practice - he works the craft more than any other receiver on the roster.   He's Josh's safety blanket.

 

WR1, TE and S are the positions we don't need to worry about at a week to week basis.  They're consistent.  All other positions seem to vary greatly on any given week.

Edited September 12, 2023 by DasNootz

[HeHateMe]

Without Dabol here, maybe Diggs needs to tell Allen to wake the F up and stop playing like a moron?

[UKBillFan]

26 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

Love him or hate him, Diggs is THE star on this team over everyone else.

 

Talent, grit, desire.  It's ALL there.  

 

 

 

And overly emotional.

 

I honestly think this is a problem with the offense at the moment; the three key men in Josh, Diggs and Dorsey are generally emotion first, calm logic second. It can make for a hotbed of over-reaction and spiralling, which results in outcomes like yesterday. Saying that, it was good to see Diggs trying to gee Josh up before one of the final drives (in my tired state can't remember if it was before the last 4Q or OT drive), even if it perhaps came a touch too late.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Diggs is the best WR the Bills have ever had. I know who that “slights” I mean what I said. Put him on those 90s teams and what do you think Diggs does? If we get rid of this guy I’ll be livid. We don’t need less guys like Diggs, we need more. Get in the QBs ear and correct the carelessness. All the teams in this league are good, you can’t win playing like #######s. Take the game seriously and start treating each drive like it matters. Ball security is very important.

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

The first INT forced to Harty.  The second to Diggs. The third INT forced to Gabe Davis.  You are incorrrect.

 

Thank you for correcting to me. I thought the first two were to Steph.

[pocoboy]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I honestly think this is a problem with the offense at the moment; the three key men in Josh, Diggs and Dorsey are generally emotion first, calm logic second. It can make for a hotbed of over-reaction and spiralling, which results in outcomes like yesterday. Saying that, it was good to see Diggs trying to gee Josh up before one of the final drives (in my tired state can't remember if it was before the last 4Q or OT drive), even if it perhaps came a touch too late.

 

Perhaps. I think the big miss right now is Daboll's perspective as a guy who was a defender in college. I suspect that he had a way to boiling down concepts for Allen that Dorsey may not do as well. Allen had a few head-scratcher moments under Daboll, but the percentage of plays where he executed most aspects of the QB position at a high level was much greater at that point.

 

[DasNootz]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And overly emotional.

 

I honestly think this is a problem with the offense at the moment; the three key men in Josh, Diggs and Dorsey are generally emotion first, calm logic second. It can make for a hotbed of over-reaction and spiralling, which results in outcomes like yesterday. Saying that, it was good to see Diggs trying to gee Josh up before one of the final drives (in my tired state can't remember if it was before the last 4Q or OT drive), even if it perhaps came a touch too late.

Honestly - when has he ever been "overly emotional" since he's been on this roster?  Was it when the QB didn't mentally show up for a home playoff game? - seems like the correct reaction to me.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, DasNootz said:

Honestly - when has he ever been "overly emotional" since he's been on this roster?  Was it when the QB didn't mentally show up for a home playoff game? - seems like the correct reaction to me.

 

And the subsequent summer of playing games off the back of it.

[Radar]

Diggs is a great receiver and an intense personality and that can be ,as most things, a positive or a negative depending on the situation or the personality you're dealing with. Now the speculation about Allen's not focused or working at his game is just that speculation and I hope that's not a problem. Nevertheless Josh seems tight and forcing things. If that's self induced or from outside who knows but he definitely appears uncomfortable and his natural talents are being hindered. A sport psychiatrist may be in order here something is amiss here and has been for sometime now.

[DasNootz]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And the subsequent summer of playing games off the back of it.

He came to work Day 1, voiced his complaints/position to the coach, took 1 day off, showed up the next day and worked his tail off.  Everything else is media or fan speculation.  It just feels like people want to pigeon hole him as a diva.  There's a difference between "me first" and "I want to win".

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by DasNootz

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Diggs is a Leader. He has earned that C. 

I mentioned an incident in the game here last night, with mixed comments.

 

Someone mentioned that Diggs and Josh had a coming together on the sideline prior to OT.

 

I went back and watched the TV broadcast again and I saw what that guy was referring to.

 

Diggs was very clearly "instructing" Josh to stay calm, and be smart.  He literally pointed to his head (Diggs) and you could read his lips: "BE SMART." 

 

He knows Josh's weakness better than anyone on this team apparently, and he was doing his best to keep Josh under control at the most critical moment of the game, heading into OT.  

 

That should NOT be Diggs' job; as it is, I think he HAS to do it.

 

This aspect of the team is a bit of a tire fire; it's totally on McDermott to sort this out and at least be aware of this situation.

 

Perhaps McDermott is too afraid to confront Josh directly and function as his boss.

McClappy did not have any problem whatsoever throwing Josh under the bus last night in his post-game PC, when he very passive aggressively pointed straight to the 4 turnovers as why it was "tough to win in this league"....did it 3 times.

 

I don't like that guy...

 

😂

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, pocoboy said:

Diggs got so much heat for those points in 2022 where he wore his emotions on his sleeve. He knows as much as anyone about what's contributing to this slump that Allen is in. Whether it's Allen letting his hubris take over instead of coaching points, or being distracted by the stardom, or simply not doing the work preparing for the game, I surely think Diggs was (and is) onto something.

 

I think we all wanted to give Josh the benefit of the doubt - Dorsey, elbow, OL struggles - but I don't think Diggs reacts that way if it's truly any of that.

It’s fair to wonder where Josh would be without Stef.  How many in-game pep talks does Josh need from Stef, before he rises to the occasion on his own?  Is Stef essentially the Dwayne Wade to a young LeBron that wasn’t ready to step up on his own yet?

[warrior9]

1 hour ago, pocoboy said:

Diggs got so much heat for those points in 2022 where he wore his emotions on his sleeve. He knows as much as anyone about what's contributing to this slump that Allen is in. Whether it's Allen letting his hubris take over instead of coaching points, or being distracted by the stardom, or simply not doing the work preparing for the game, I surely think Diggs was (and is) onto something.

 

I think we all wanted to give Josh the benefit of the doubt - Dorsey, elbow, OL struggles - but I don't think Diggs reacts that way if it's truly any of that.

I don't think he got heat from people who aren't on ESPN or Bills fans that need something irrational to complain about / create a story that doesnt exist

 

Stef has never been a problem and never will be. He wants to win and that's it. 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

He came to work Day 1, voiced his complaints/position to the coach, took 1 day off, showed up the next day and worked his tail off.  Everything else is media or fan speculation.  It just feels like people want to pigeon hole him as a diva.  There's a difference between "me first" and "I want to win".

 

 

But my argument would be how "I want to win" comes about. Split Dorsey, Josh and Diggs in individual components and there's absolutely nothing wrong with their approach. You have people who react passionately, based on emotion, first (whether that results in outbursts or self flagellating) and others who are calmer and logical.

 

IMO the issue the Bills have with offense is the three vocal leaders all react emotionally. They either lack someone with cool, calm logic in the locker room, or they're too quiet to impose themselves on three, in their own way, big characters - and who is going to try and impose themselves on the OC, QB and WR1?

 

Looking at the Chiefs and Reid, Mahomes and Kelce all seem pretty cool and logical. Purdy seems pretty calm in San Francisco. Belichick can be emotional but Brady was relatively calm and Gronk seemed coolness personified when the heat is on. Hurts doesn't seem to get overly flustered. Does this mean things always go right for these teams? Of course not. But the disasters occur less regularly.

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I mentioned an incident in the game here last night, with mixed comments.

 

Someone mentioned that Diggs and Josh had a coming together on the sideline prior to OT.

 

I went back and watched the TV broadcast again and I saw what that guy was referring to.

 

Diggs was very clearly "instructing" Josh to stay calm, and be smart.  He literally pointed to his head (Diggs) and you could read his lips: "BE SMART." 

 

He knows Josh's weakness better than anyone on this team apparently, and he was doing his best to keep Josh under control at the most critical moment of the game, heading into OT.  

 

That should NOT be Diggs' job; as it is, I think he HAS to do it.

 

This aspect of the team is a bit of a tire fire; it's totally on McDermott to sort this out and at least be aware of this situation.

 

Perhaps McDermott is too afraid to confront Josh directly and function as his boss.

McClappy did not have any problem whatsoever throwing Josh under the bus last night in his post-game PC, when he very passive aggressively pointed straight to the 4 turnovers as why it was "tough to win in this league"....did it 3 times.

 

I don't like that guy...

 

😂

 

 

Whilst Josh had issues in the first half, I think his spiral started after the hurdle in the second quarter and McDermott seemingly laid into him via the headset. I said it elsewhere when someone commented on Josh needing to be told 'No' - I agree, but it's also the manner of telling someone that. It has to be done correctly or it causes more problems, and I don't think McDermott can adequately communicate with Josh. Add on the loss of Dorsey on the touchline, where he was whilst Daboll was OC, and it almost creates a perfect storm. Brady seems incapable of taking on that role, and Diggs then has to step in, even though it isn't really his role to.

[MAJBobby]

42 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And overly emotional.

 

I honestly think this is a problem with the offense at the moment; the three key men in Josh, Diggs and Dorsey are generally emotion first, calm logic second. It can make for a hotbed of over-reaction and spiralling, which results in outcomes like yesterday. Saying that, it was good to see Diggs trying to gee Josh up before one of the final drives (in my tired state can't remember if it was before the last 4Q or OT drive), even if it perhaps came a touch too late.

Emotional???

 

Fine Give me Emotional ALL Day from Diggs.  I will take 10 for 102 and a TD against one of the top end CBS in the league all day and every day.

 

What I wont take is 29 of 41 for 236 and 1 TD, 4 TOs and 3 sacks directly on him.  

32 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

And the subsequent summer of playing games off the back of it.

And when it mattered (summer doesnt). 10 catches on 12 TGTs for 102 and a TD

 

18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I mentioned an incident in the game here last night, with mixed comments.

 

Someone mentioned that Diggs and Josh had a coming together on the sideline prior to OT.

 

I went back and watched the TV broadcast again and I saw what that guy was referring to.

 

Diggs was very clearly "instructing" Josh to stay calm, and be smart.  He literally pointed to his head (Diggs) and you could read his lips: "BE SMART." 

 

He knows Josh's weakness better than anyone on this team apparently, and he was doing his best to keep Josh under control at the most critical moment of the game, heading into OT.  

 

That should NOT be Diggs' job; as it is, I think he HAS to do it.

 

This aspect of the team is a bit of a tire fire; it's totally on McDermott to sort this out and at least be aware of this situation.

 

Perhaps McDermott is too afraid to confront Josh directly and function as his boss.

McClappy did not have any problem whatsoever throwing Josh under the bus last night in his post-game PC, when he very passive aggressively pointed straight to the 4 turnovers as why it was "tough to win in this league"....did it 3 times.

 

I don't like that guy...

 

😂

 

I always have and always will hate his Hands Off approach on Offense.  Specially when your OCs are in the Box.  

 

It is going to be worse this year because he is calling the Defense

[UKBillFan]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Emotional???

 

Fine Give me Emotional ALL Day from Diggs.  I will take 10 for 102 and a TD against one of the top end CBS in the league all day and every day.

 

What I wont take is 29 of 41 for 236 and 1 TD, 4 TOs and 3 sacks directly on him.  

 

Diggs being emotional is ok but the balance is off between the 'big three'. The Bills need a calm, logical voice within the offense for when mistakes occur and things threaten to snowball. I think Daboll was it and he has not been effectively replaced.

 

This may get a few down votes but I actually prefer Dorsey's playcalling to Daboll's, and what he's trying to do with the offense. But it's not going to work if the quarterback is sprialling and seemingly no one can pull him out of it.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

Diggs being emotional is ok but the balance is off between the 'big three'. The Bills need a calm, logical voice within the offense for when mistakes occur and things threaten to snowball. I think Daboll was it and he has not been effectively replaced.

 

This may get a few down votes but I actually prefer Dorsey's playcalling to Daboll's, and what he's trying to do with the offense. But it's not going to work if the quarterback is sprialling and seemingly no one can pull him out of it.

How about that be your FACE OF THE FRANCHISE.

 

The 1/4B dollar MAN better learn to ***** lead then.  If he isnt that guy STRIP the C.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Diggs is a beast. He expects that level of focus and effort out of everyone and he's not getting it. If he's frustrated then that is totally understandable. He's putting everything he has into this and I don't think anyone else on this team can say the same thing. Definitely not the guy who is the "face" of the franchise, that's for sure. I wish we had 22 Diggs' on the field last night

Diggs balled out yesterday. He's the only legit proven weapon the Bills have on offense. All he wants to do is win. 

 

He can see his QB is struggling and losing confidence. Yesterday he tried to pick him up. Yet, Diggs gets blame here. That's crazy. 

 

Side note is Diggs will create problems if the Bills continue to lose. He won't sit silent accepting loses. He will absolutely be vocal to a point where he's a distraction. That's who Diggs is and that's not going to change. 

 

I keep coming back to the Diggs McD confrontation on the sidelines. Diggs relented to coach McD. A free pass sort of speak. I think that was coach McD getting the benefit of the doubt. Next time I think Diggs won't be so passive. This is something to keep an eye on 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, pocoboy said:

Diggs got so much heat for those points in 2022 where he wore his emotions on his sleeve. He knows as much as anyone about what's contributing to this slump that Allen is in. Whether it's Allen letting his hubris take over instead of coaching points, or being distracted by the stardom, or simply not doing the work preparing for the game, I surely think Diggs was (and is) onto something.

 

I think we all wanted to give Josh the benefit of the doubt - Dorsey, elbow, OL struggles - but I don't think Diggs reacts that way if it's truly any of that.

 

 

You're kidding yourself about what Diggs thinks.

 

And if your respect for him is new-found, it's come around way too late.

[DrDawkinstein]

If we had 11 Diggses on Offense we'd likely be undefeated. He aint the problem. Never was.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

How about that be your FACE OF THE FRANCHISE.

 

The 1/4B dollar MAN better learn to ***** lead then.  If he isnt that guy STRIP the C.

 

Josh has to sort himself out first before being able to lead others. I think hesaid once that he doesn't feel like shouting at other players when he makes mistakes himself. He doesn't react to setbacks with calm, cool logic and he isn't one to rail at others. That's his base character and it's not going to change. To do so would be like the two of us suddenly deciding to ditch supporting Bills and cheering for the Phins instead. Who he is is in his blood.

[cale]

But you know, McD appreciates Diggs' "communication." He likes it when they have "good" communication. He mentioned something about communication in the 13 seconds fiasco. Well, someone needs to communicate to McD that he's about to lose this team.

[Freddie's Dead]

Diggs was the only person on O that showed up yesterday.