Marlton Bills Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 8:20 AM, LabattBlue said: I don’t know any of the facts leading to this parting of the ways, but I would bet the house that this was “not the plan all along” as a few have suggested. Yeah, I’m wondering if there was an “office culture issue”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 Has Lauren Hall been moonlighting back at PSE? There is a resemblance between Russ Brandon and Ron Raccuia 🤔😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 22, 2023 Author Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Marlton Bills said: Yeah, I’m wondering if there was an “office culture issue”. Ron wouldn’t stop asking people if they had a “case of the Mondays”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: Ron wouldn’t stop asking people if they had a “case of the Mondays”. "Pretend I'm a camel. What day is it? C'mon, say it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 On 7/20/2023 at 8:20 AM, Gregg said: On the plus side the Sabres look like much brighter days are ahead starting this season. Says every fan the last 3 years 🤪 It feels like it’s been 20 years since the Sabres made the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlton Bills Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 2:29 PM, RiotAct said: Ron wouldn’t stop asking people if they had a “case of the Mondays”. I’m going to have to go ahead and ask you to move your desk to the basement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany72 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Idk why everyone’s concerned?? He did what he was hired to do and that was to help get the new stadium deal past the finish line, which he did. And I’m sure he was aware that after the deal was done and the shovels hit the ground that they would be parting company. I always saw Ron as temp for Kim. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany72 said: Idk why everyone’s concerned?? He did what he was hired to do and that was to help get the new stadium deal past the finish line, which he did. And I’m sure he was aware that after the deal was done and the shovels hit the ground that they would be parting company. I always saw Ron as temp for Kim. Because everything here is viewed in the most negative light by a good percentage of posters. And if you're not of that opinion, well you're just an apologist for a directionless organization or some kind of pollyanna. Or you know, some dude just switched jobs... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 I don't know the details of what he did before this and I don't know what he'll do after this and I don't know why or if he wanted to leave and I don't know why or if the Bills wanted him to leave but damn if I'm not going to get angry about it 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: I don't know the details of what he did before this and I don't know what he'll do after this and I don't know why or if he wanted to leave and I don't know why or if the Bills wanted him to leave but damn if I'm not going to get angry about it No wonder you always struck everyone in the Bills organization and fandom as an insufferable prick. * 😇😉😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany72 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: I don't know the details of what he did before this and I don't know what he'll do after this and I don't know why or if he wanted to leave and I don't know why or if the Bills wanted him to leave but damn if I'm not going to get angry about it Exactly, too many people on this board trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, if you can even call something like this a molehill lol 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, TheElectricCompany72 said: Idk why everyone’s concerned?? He did what he was hired to do and that was to help get the new stadium deal past the finish line, which he did. And I’m sure he was aware that after the deal was done and the shovels hit the ground that they would be parting company. I always saw Ron as temp for Kim. …and you know this how? I don’t recall anyone in the media reporting this either before or after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 Does it affect the product on the field? Does it affect the stadium? Does it affect the future of the Bills in Buffalo? If not, who cares? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany72 Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 2 hours ago, LabattBlue said: …and you know this how? I don’t recall anyone in the media reporting this either before or after the fact. I’m sure stuff like that wouldn’t be announced to the media. That kind of stuff is kept in doors, Just like Kim’s illness wasn’t reported to the media until her daughter came out and talked about it personally from her end. 2 hours ago, Doc said: Does it affect the product on the field? Does it affect the stadium? Does it affect the future of the Bills in Buffalo? If not, who cares? Some people are honesty either nosy or they’re looking hard for something to B word and complain about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted July 25, 2023 Share Posted July 25, 2023 TBD never found out a pice of news they couldn't worry about (with enough speculation)... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) https://theathletic.com/4738337/2023/08/05/buffalo-bills-front-office-ron-raccuia/?source=user_shared_article The departure of Ron Raccuia, the public face of the new stadium, took a lot of people by surprise - including Ron himself. Tim Graham spoke with 11 sources within PSE who said that Terry personally fired Raccuia for a number of reasons. He was said to be “obnoxious” and “arrogant” in his business dealing and reportedly turned off NY Gov. Kathy Hochul during negotiations. It seems that Terry simply was not as fond of Ron as Kim had been. After Kim was out of the building due to her health, Ron assumed her responsibilities, and Terry was not pleased with hid communication and other things. Graham also mentioned that PSE is on the hook for overages, and it appears the new stadium could cost nearly 500,000M more than the original estimate Raccuia put together. Again, something he might have not been happy with. According Graham’s sources this was NOT Raccuia’s decision. He had planned to retire to California in 2026 after the new stadium was finished. He allegedly felt “blindsided” by the firing. Also the sale of ADPRO to Legends was said to not be related to this move. I would read the full article for more details: I think there are questions to be raised with PSE. This move kind of reminds me of what happened with the Sabres. Rather than hiring people from outside to fill departures they just promote and shuffle around the staff they already have. Terry has assumed mote responsibility since the firing. Edited August 5, 2023 by JohnNord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 "He was said to be “obnoxious” and “arrogant” in his business dealing and reportedly turned off NY Gov. Kathy Hochul during negotiations." Really??!! Wow, he sure didn't come off like that! lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Not a good look for Raccuia if this is true. Always be transparent with your boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: "He was said to be “obnoxious” and “arrogant” in his business dealing and reportedly turned off NY Gov. Kathy Hochul during negotiations." Really??!! Wow, he sure didn't come off like that! lol This is the exact quote from the article. It also listed that Raccuia was “unapologetically aggressive” in his business dealings: Three people with direct knowledge of the Bills’ stadium negotiations said Hochul grew to despise Raccuia’s tactics and said she contemplated requesting his absence from meetings. One of those sources quoted Hochul as calling Raccuia’s methods “arrogant” and “obnoxious.” Hochul’s press office didn’t respond to a request for comment from The Athletic regarding this story. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 If you don't do your job to the owners satisfaction you risk losing that job. This is life 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Whkfc said: Not a good look for Raccuia if this is true. Always be transparent with your boss. Sounds like he was too comfortable working under Kim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Called it On 7/19/2023 at 3:21 PM, Lost said: Terry probably already found out there is going to be massive cost overruns that he is going to be on the hook for and Ron is the scapegoat. That's my off the wall hypothesis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Just now, JohnNord said: This is the exact quote from the article. It also listed that Raccuia was “unapologetically aggressive” in his business dealings: Three people with direct knowledge of the Bills’ stadium negotiations said Hochul grew to despise Raccuia’s tactics and said she contemplated requesting his absence from meetings. One of those sources quoted Hochul as calling Raccuia’s methods “arrogant” and “obnoxious.” Hochul’s press office didn’t respond to a request for comment from The Athletic regarding this story. I was being facetious. This guy came off as an A+-hole. Just now, Lost said: Called it What was Raccuia supposed to do about that? The deal was worked out with the state already. Even Pegula could understand that stadiums can have massive overruns on costs---yet he already, personally, as the owner of the team and PSE, agreed to whatever they would be (he would also be free to cut back on some of his asks for features and design to save himself on the overruns). Has nothing to do with Don Ron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Pretty sure Terry is a good businessman. Whatever his reasons, are his reasons. Firings like this go in all the time in the business world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Pretty sure Terry is a good businessman. Whatever his reasons, are his reasons. Firings like this go in all the time in the business world. This. Not at all worried about the business side of things. Performance on the field is most important and that's in good hands. BTW, $500M potential cost overruns on a stadium in OP? Imagine the cost overruns on a domed stadium in downtown Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Just now, Doc said: This. Not at all worried about the business side of things. Performance on the field is most important and that's in good hands. BTW, $500M potential cost overruns on a stadium in OP? Imagine the cost overruns on a domed stadium in downtown Buffalo. Cost overruns happen on every stadium. Shouldn’t have surprised Terry. The amount is a bit more than one would expect I guess, but the thing ain’t even started yet. I’m sure the cost overrun amount will be a moving target. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "He was said to be “obnoxious” and “arrogant” in his business dealing and reportedly turned off NY Gov. Kathy Hochul during negotiations." Really??!! Wow, he sure didn't come off like that! lol Really? And how many business dealings did you have with Mr Raccuia? What a silly post 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I was being facetious. This guy came off as an A+-hole. Oh, OK. Never Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, Lost said: Called it 11 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Cost overruns happen on every stadium. Shouldn’t have surprised Terry. The amount is a bit more than one would expect I guess, but the thing ain’t even started yet. I’m sure the cost overrun amount will be a moving target. i thought the 100% responsibility of cost overruns by the Bills could be a contributing factor in the firing. The budget is $1.54 billion and they're already looking at 30% over after barely breaking ground? This was a huge concession by the Bills IMO and purely from the team perspective, not a good one. Atop the other reasons this could have been the last straw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 18 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: i thought the 100% responsibility of cost overruns by the Bills could be a contributing factor in the firing. The budget is $1.54 billion and they're already looking at 30% over after barely breaking ground? This was a huge concession by the Bills IMO and purely from the team perspective, not a good one. Atop the other reasons this could have been the last straw. Who ever did the costing / budgeting should be fired. To your point, just started and well over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Hochul grew to despise Raccuia’s tactics and said she contemplated requesting his absence from meetings I’m glad to see turnover at Bills business. It’s what organizations do. It is very unusual to see people say “despise” and “absence” working out agreements. Usually, “Hard negotiator”, “firm”, “difficult but trusted” he must have been a real d#ck to a sitting governor. Imagine what he is like to lesser peeps Terry has built many business now. He surely knew about construction overrun potential. It feels like a major personality conflict. If people lose trust between (“despise his tactics”)— it’s pretty hard to put that genie back in the bottle (see cheating husband divorce) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 58 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Really? And how many business dealings did you have with Mr Raccuia? What a silly post Oh, OK. Never Mind I mean he was put out there by Pegula as the guy to voice the threat to move to the county and state (and public)during negotiations. Terry was never going to come out and say it. He put his boy out there to deliver the threat, got the deal done and gave him the axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I mean he was put out there by Pegula as the guy to voice the threat to move to the county and state (and public)during negotiations. Terry was never going to come out and say it. He put his boy out there to deliver the threat, got the deal done and gave him the axe. Honest question was that at Terry's request to do the threat? Logically I get what you're saying Terry or Kim could never come out personally and say that but given these new reports of how Ron was negotiating could it have also been his idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Different subtopic, in Tim Graham's article on the subject it's clear that Raccuia was surprised by his termination. This implies that he was comfortable in his job... perhaps he felt untouchable... 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: Sounds like he was too comfortable working under Kim. That's what it sounds like to me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Honest question was that at Terry's request to do the threat? Logically I get what you're saying Terry or Kim could never come out personally and say that but given these new reports of how Ron was negotiating could it have also been his idea? come on.... There's no chance whatsoever that Pegula did not know or want Raccuia to say that. If that was true, Pegula would have immediately put a retraction out there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, davefan66 said: Cost overruns happen on every stadium. Shouldn’t have surprised Terry. The amount is a bit more than one would expect I guess, but the thing ain’t even started yet. I’m sure the cost overrun amount will be a moving target. Indeed I'd be surprised if they're only $500M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, Since1981 said: It is very unusual to see people say “despise” and “absence” working out agreements. Usually, “Hard negotiator”, “firm”, “difficult but trusted” he must have been a real d#ck to a sitting governor. Imagine what he is like to lesser peeps Terry has built many business now. He surely knew about construction overrun potential. It feels like a major personality conflict. If people lose trust between (“despise his tactics”)— it’s pretty hard to put that genie back in the bottle (see cheating husband divorce) Another solid take. You can be a tough negotiator without offending the other party. That's why the best sports agents are successful because they are negotiating repeatedly within the same small community. They understand that they can't afford to offend people who are essentially their business partners. If Raccuia was offending high-ranking public officials and community leaders, that's not tolerable. 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: Indeed I'd be surprised if they're only $500M. I work in construction and project management. Yes you can usually assume overruns especially with stadium projects BUT there's an acceptable level and then there's the point above that where people lose their jobs. Successful people like Pegula don't just shrug off blow budgets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: If you don't do your job to the owners satisfaction you risk losing that job. This is life I know every time I have cost my employer an extra half BILLION dollars I have gotten a stern talking to! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Augie said: I know every time I have cost my employer an extra half BILLION dollars I have gotten a stern talking to! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 But but but…I thought the plan was for RR to leave once the stadium deal was done and ground was broken. 😂 Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Wonder if Hochul's husband leaving Delaware North is somehow connected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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