Poll: Large Themes - How do the Bills get over the hump to win the Super Bowl?

[Chaos]

I feel like I have seen different Bill's games the last 5 years, than many of the posters on this board.  This poll is to see how much stronger of an eye glass prescription, I may need. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Chaos

[Solomon Grundy]

Offense needs to improve. I'm not worried about Diggs/Allen. I think Damien Harris is gonna help at the RB position. I just need reliability at the other receiver position. Beasley gave that to me a couple seasons ago. 3rd and 3/3rd and 5, when Diggs wasn't available, Beasley was the sure thing to keep the chains moving. Can Kincaid be that guy? Maybe, but I'd like to know for sure

[Negan]

Talent is there, coaching on the other hand has held this team back in the playoffs.

[schoolhouserock]

17 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I feel like I have seen different Bill's games the last 5 years, than many of the posters on this board.  This poll is to see how much stronger of an eye glass prescription, I may need. 

You may not need new eye glasses. Try setting down grandpa’s ol’ cough medicine first.

[JJGauna]

All of the above? Maybe just a bit of luck, the Bills are Super Bowl contenders every year now. 

[wjag]

I went with Defense needs to be better.  They need to find 20-30 more sacks on the DLine.  It's a passing league and the defense doesn't get home near enough to control the games.  The Offense is doing their job.  But plays like the Hail Murray and Cam Lewis-Jefferson can't happen and might not happen if the DLINE got home more regularly.   Stats are fine, but when the game is on the line, Mahomes and Burrow and Tua and Rodgers need to be on the ground.

[Lost]

Biggest liabilities for this team IMO ranked below.

 

1) Offensive line.  

 

2) Game planning/Playcalling.   

 

3) Defensive unit as a whole vs. bigger physical running teams.  

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

They have to avoid major injuries to All Pro and star players.

[frostbitmic]

I haven't been overly impressed with game plans and play calls the past few years in the playoffs.

 

Coaching seems to have a mindset of "this is what got us here" instead of the Belichick mode of I'm attacking them this way, take away that guy, make changes on the fly, while our coaches make few changes.

 

I'm hoping McD taking over defensive play calling will change that and they'll be a little more aggressive and less passive.

[JerseyBills]

I think the trenches is the key. Especially effective pass rush

Love what they added on both sides. I see a huge improvement coming.  So much depth 

[Don Otreply]

It’s selection’s 2 & 4 

[NewEra]

It’ll take a combination of several things 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

I feel like I have seen different Bill's games the last 5 years, than many of the posters on this board.  This poll is to see how much stronger of an eye glass prescription, I may need. 

 

This feels like another thread designed to steer towards criticizing coaching and be back hand slap to McD again the way you set up your poll.  

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

In order for me

 

1) Preparation and game planning

2) Defense needs to improve

3) Offense other than Diggs/Allen needs to improve

4) Allen/Diggs need to improve

 

The O-line has been a major liability and if they improve then Allen/Diggs will naturally improve as well. 

 

The defense has been a train wreck in 3 straight playoff losses. Spare me the "they only allowed 27 points to the Bengals" argument. They gave up 30 first downs, forced 2 punts (1 in garbage time), 1 sack for 2 yards, and 0 turnovers. That's not close to being good enough to win a game. 

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

In order for me

 

1) Preparation and game planning

2) Defense needs to improve

3) Offense other than Diggs/Allen needs to improve

4) Allen/Diggs need to improve

 

The O-line has been a major liability and if they improve then Allen/Diggs will naturally improve as well. 

 

The defense has been a train wreck in 3 straight playoff losses. Spare me the "they only allowed 27 points to the Bengals" argument. They gave up 30 first downs, forced 2 punts (1 in garbage time), 1 sack for 2 yards, and 0 turnovers. That's not close to being good enough to win a game. 

And the talent we put on the field that day wasn’t close to being good enough to stop the reigning AFC champions-  stay healthy- the current talent level on our defense is the best it’s ever been under McD.  I think our defensive play calling will also be better than it’s been under McD. 
 

I expect our overall defensive stats to take dip in ppg and ypg due to the offenses that we’re facing- i also expect a better showing come the playoffs as long as injuries don’t cripple our talent level again

[GoBills808]

The answer is defense needs to improve in the playoffs, which is a result of preparation and game plannning

 

Over the last 3 seasons the Bills and Bengals have each played 7 playoff games against many common opponents. I think it's fair to say the Bengals have experienced much more postseason success

 

In those 7 games, here are ppg averages for offense and defense

 

Bengals O: 23.28ppg

Bills O: 27.85ppg

 

Bengals D: 18.85ppg

Bills: 26ppg

[GunnerBill]

They need to peak at the right time. They did in 2021 and we all know what happened. They were nowhere near their best form in the post season in 2022. In 2020 I just think they got beaten by a better team.

 

It is impossible to be at your best every week in an 18 week season and 3 or 4 week playoff run. You gotta peak at the right time. 

 

So give me "none of the above."

Edited June 29, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Donuts and Doritos]

Um, score more points than the other team?

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This feels like another thread designed to steer towards criticizing coaching and be back hand slap to McD again the way you set up your poll.  

 

 

You've read Chaos's posts before then haha.

Edited June 29, 2023 by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They need to peak at the right time. They did in 2021 and we all know what happened. They were nowhere near their best form in the post season in 2022. In 2020 I just think they got beaten by a better team.

 

It is impossible to be at your best every week in an 18 week season and 3 or 4 week playoff run. You gotta peak at the right time. 

 

So give me "none of the above."

So they peaked in 2021 and didn't even make it out of the divisional round?

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

So they peaked in 2021 and didn't even make it out of the divisional round?

 

Sadly, yes. They badly mismanaged the last 2 mins in Kansas City and it cost them. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Sadly, yes. They badly mismanaged the last 2 mins in Kansas City and it cost them. 

The offense peaked. The rest of the team did not.

 

Unless you consider a divisional loss round to the Chiefs the pinnacle of their ambitions. I hope they are higher than that.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The offense peaked. The rest of the team did not.

 

Unless you consider a divisional loss round to the Chiefs the pinnacle of their ambitions. I hope they are higher than that.

 

The defense played well in that gane until the last 2 minutes too. They just blew that game at the end. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The defense played well in that gane until the last 2 minutes too. They just blew that game at the end. 

Not how that works

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The defense played well in that gane until the last 2 minutes too. They just blew that game at the end. 

There are so many conclusions being made that are revisionist based on results.

 

Had we won that game, which obviously could have went either way, are the Chiefs the one with the problems considering we've beaten them the last two regular season games and the one previous to that?

[Mike in Horseheads]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not how that works

You just want McD gone, admit it.

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

There are so many conclusions being made that are revisionist based on results.

 

Had we won that game, which obviously could have went either way, are the Chiefs the one with the problems considering we've beaten them the last two regular season games and the one previous to that?

That game could not have gone either way imo

 

I just watched the whole thing on Tuesday for some reason. If we play that game 10 times the Chiefs win 8 or 9 of them. Some of the things Allen did to keep the Bills in that game just aren't sustainable, the Chiefs were by far the better squad in all phases except QB

[SWATeam]

Just keep getting to the tournament. 

 

The ball bounces funny in a single elimination tournament and the better team doesn't always win.

[GoBills808]

yes lets by all means continue being second best and hoping we get lucky lol

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

yes lets by all means continue being second best and hoping we get lucky lol

Maybe we are the best and have been unlucky?

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

Maybe we are the best and have been unlucky?

That's a much nicer thing to believe!

[PrimeTime101]

7 hours ago, JJGauna said:

All of the above? Maybe just a bit of luck, the Bills are Super Bowl contenders every year now. 

This. No Brainer. 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Not how that works

 

But it kinda does. The Bills peaked in many ways in that post season. They blew a game they should have won at least twice. It sucks but that's life.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But it kinda does. The Bills peaked in many ways in that post season. They blew a game they should have won at least twice. It sucks but that's life.

I just can't get there. The defense got pushed around by the Philip Rivers-led Colts, managed to stymie Lamar Jackson and the Ravens thanks to a hurricane, and then turned around and gave the game away to the Chiefs. They were bad and there's really no getting around that. The Bills have been consistently let down in the postseason by the defense and the coaching staff.

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I just can't get there. The defense got pushed around by the Philip Rivers-led Colts, managed to stymie Lamar Jackson and the Ravens thanks to a hurricane, and then turned around and gave the game away to the Chiefs. They were bad and there's really no getting around that. The Bills have been consistently let down in the postseason by the defense and the coaching staff.

What would you say about the Chiefs D in that game?

[RoyBatty is alive]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The defense played well in that gane until the last 2 minutes too. They just blew that game at the end. 

KC was dynamic on offense but letting the Chief score 33 points is, imo, a defense not playing well.

[GoBills808]

Just now, SWATeam said:

What would you say about the Chiefs D in that game?

Did enough to win

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I just can't get there. The defense got pushed around by the Philip Rivers-led Colts, managed to stymie Lamar Jackson and the Ravens thanks to a hurricane, and then turned around and gave the game away to the Chiefs. They were bad and there's really no getting around that. The Bills have been consistently let down in the postseason by the defense and the coaching staff.

 

They were two different post seasons.

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

KC was dynamic on offense but letting the Chief score 33 points is, imo, a defense not playing well.

 

They played well UNTIL the last 2 minutes. At the two minute warning the Chiefs had 23 points. The Bills screwed the last 2 minutes of that game. No doubt about that. And it was on defense and coaching.

[GoBills808]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

They were two different post seasons.

lol wtf am i thinking, of course they are

 

they played decent vs Patriots, no doubt

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They were two different post seasons.

 

They played well UNTIL the last 2 minutes. At the two minute warning the Chiefs had 23 points. The Bills screwed the last 2 minutes of that game. No doubt about that. And it was on defense and coaching.

Oh, 2 minute warning, I was thinking 13 seconds but final 2 minutes in an NFL game is a long long time.

Just now, GoBills808 said:

lol wtf am i thinking, of course they are

 

they played decent vs Patriots, no doubt

The Nyheim Hines highlight reel game.