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15 minutes ago, JoeF said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-first-round-pick-te-dalton-kincaid-signs-rookie-contract

 

Congrats, young man.  

 

The Kelce comparison likely isn't fair yet but I'll take the Bills version of Antonio Gates.....

Antonio Gates has 45 more TDs than Kelce in their careers lol

 

He has the potential of them but Antonio Gates is going to walk into the Hall of Fame

10 minutes ago, Beast said:


Kelce isn’t fair but Gates is? 

Exactly lol

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51 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Antonio Gates has 45 more TDs than Kelce in their careers lol

 

He has the potential of them but Antonio Gates is going to walk into the Hall of Fame

Exactly lol

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

 

 

1 hour ago, Beast said:


Kelce isn’t fair but Gates is? 

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

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22 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

 

 

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

Getting receiving yards between the 20s And collecting yard stats does not tell the entire story of someone’s career

 

Is Kelce better ? Yea

 

Antonio Gates is walking into the Hall of Fame

 

No matter what you say Travis Kelce is not heads and shoulders above a first ballot Hall of Famer


Who will probably end his career with more touchdowns than Kelce

 

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14 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

 

 

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

 

Gates only retired about 5 years ago, but he played a LONG time. This just goes to show how the game has changed and become a (largely vertical) passing game. Gates would still be great, but Kelce, and hopefully Kincaid, are a different breed. 

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22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Getting receiving yards between the 20s And collecting yard stats does not tell the entire story of someone’s career

 

Antonio Gates is walking into the Hall of Fame

 

No matter what you say Travis Kelce is not heads and shoulders above a first ballot Hall of Famer

 

No running back is head and shoulders above Thurman Thomas.. Hall of Famer’s Are a different breed

 

So you don't read stats and you say Kelce is a between the 20's weapon?  Who beat us in OT with a TD beating our best LB in an AFC divisional game.  That between the 20's weapon. 

 

Gates and Kelce are both great players but to compare what Kelce is doing now to what Gates did is in my opinion mis-informed.  I am not here to debate you.  You are entitled to your opinion.  I just think I am right.  Thanks for the exchange.

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32 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

 

 

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

Agreed-  Kelce >> Gates.  
 

taking nothing away from Gates, but I’d take Kelce over Gates and wouldn’t think twice.  Easy decision imo

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21 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

 

 

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

 

 I'm not disagreeing with you that once all is said and done Kelce may indeed show to be the better TE, but Kelce is probably not passing Gates in yardage this season.

 

 In order for that to happen Kelce would need to have more yards this year than in any year of his career so far and do so while turning 34 in early October. Barring injury, a sudden sharp decline in play or a decision to retire after this year, he will most likely pass Gates in 2024.

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, JoeF said:

So you don't read stats and you say Kelce is a between the 20's weapon?  Who beat us in OT with a TD beating our best LB in an AFC divisional game.  That between the 20's weapon. 

 

Gates and Kelce are both great players but to compare what Kelce is doing now to what Gates did is in my opinion mis-informed.  I am not here to debate you.  You are entitled to your opinion.  I just think I am right.  Thanks for the exchange.

Well sometimes it takes 20 minutes to get there right word you’re looking for… And Kelce is still a mismatch on Milano … Gates would be too

 

If you would look back To my reply which I was changing as soon as I hit submit

 

I agree Travis is a better tightend 

 

I’m not arguing that

 

I’m arguing that one Hall of Famer is not head and shoulders above another walk in the Hall of Famer

 

We’re not comparing Travis and Knox lol

 

Gates helped change the game 

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And Mark Clayton has 10 more TDs than James Lofton.  16 more than Andre Johnson. 
 

Jimmy Graham has 16 more TDs than Kelce.  
 

Clayton was clearly inferior to both players. 

6 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm not disagreeing with you that once all is said and done Kelce may indeed show to be the better TE, but Kelce is probably not passing Gates in yardage this season.

 

 In order for that to happen Kelce would need to have more yards this year than in any year of his career so far and do so while turning 34 in early October. Barring injury, a sudden sharp decline in play or a decision to retire after this year, he will most likely pass Gates in 2024.

 

 

 

 

Gates - 236 games  11,800 yards 

Kelce - 144 games.  10.300 yards 

 

92 more games- 5.75 more seasons worth of games.  

Just pointing out the difference in games played.  Gates has less yards than Derrick Mason…. And 6 more games played.

 

again-  not taking away from Gates- playing in that many games is a tremendous feat in itself.  
 

 

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well sometimes it takes 20 minutes to get there right word you’re looking for… And Kelce is still a mismatch on Milano … Gates would be too

 

If you would look back To my reply which I was changing as soon as I hit submit

 

I agree Travis is a better tightend 

 

I’m not arguing that

 

I’m arguing that one Hall of Famer is not head and shoulders above another walk in the Hall of Famer

 

We’re not comparing Travis and Knox lol

 

Gates helped change the game 

I agree that he’s not head and shoulders above Gates but he’s clearly a tier above imo.  
 

I don’t consider Gates in competition for the best tight end ever.  Those that are in that conversation, imo, are a tier above.  Gronk, Gonzo and Kelce are my goat candidates.  
 

I can’t comment on Ditka because I’m too young. Winslow, imo, was the best prior to the new breeds. Wittens stats get him in tier 2.  Gates might be the best of tier

2.  He also might not.  
 

jmo

 

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5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree that he’s not head and shoulders above Gates but he’s clearly a tier above imo.  
 

I don’t consider Gates in competition for the best tight end ever.  Those that are in that conversation, imo, are a tier above.  Gronk, Gonzo and Kelce are my goat candidates.  
 

I can’t comment on Ditka because I’m too young. Winslow, imo, was the best prior to the new breeds. Wittens stats get him in tier 2.  Gates might be the best of tier

2.  He also might not.  
 

jmo

 

I think Gronkowski while healthy is the best tight I’ve ever seen live 

 

But Gates absolutely is one of the guys that changed the mold for the modern tight end

 

I can’t argue that Marshall Faulk is better than Thurman Thomas because he has better stats

 

Thurman was Marshall Before Marshall

 

Travis is better than gates though

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22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think Gronkowski while healthy is the best tight I’ve ever seen live 

 

But Gates absolutely is one of the guys that changed the mold for the modern tight end

 

I can’t argue that Marshall Faulk is better than Thurman Thomas because he has better stats

 

Thurman was Marshall Before Marshall

 

Travis is better than gates though


i don’t agree with the whole stats side of many arguments.  Everyone has their own way of putting together their lists.   I put mine together using the eye test, which certainly has its flaws.  It’s very easy to find error in my judgement in many cases, but that’s just how I see things.  

 

 Is Jason Witten better than Kelce?  I don’t think so.  He certainly has better stats.  Is emmitt smith better than OJ?   Steve Smith better than Julio Jones?  So many arguments can be made where the superior player has lesser stats. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, NewEra said:


i don’t agree with the whole stats side of many arguments.  Everyone has their own way of putting together their lists.   I put mine together using the eye test, which certainly has its flaws.  It’s very easy to find error in my judgement in many cases, but that’s just how I see things.  

 

 Is Jason Witten better than Kelce?  I don’t think so.  He certainly has better stats.  Is emmitt smith better than OJ?   Steve Smith better than Julio Jones?  So many arguments can be made where the superior player has lesser stats. 
 

 

Emmett Smith is the Rushing king

 

Certainly is not one of the top five backs I’ve ever seen

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9 minutes ago, NewEra said:


i don’t agree with the whole stats side of many arguments.  Everyone has their own way of putting together their lists.   I put mine together using the eye test, which certainly has its flaws.  It’s very easy to find error in my judgement in many cases, but that’s just how I see things.  

 

 Is Jason Witten better than Kelce?  I don’t think so.  He certainly has better stats.  Is emmitt smith better than OJ?   Steve Smith better than Julio Jones?  So many arguments can be made where the superior player has lesser stats. 
 

 

Excellent examples and in each case, the fella with lesser numbers is the better player. Below is a high falutin somewhat philosophical explanation for why you are right.

 

Quality cannot be fully comprehended by quantity. The "eye test" depends on the judgment of the particular person, i.e., the degree of wisdom derives from the character, experience, and capacity for discernment possessed by the individual. That's why prudence is not an abstract law, but a function of unique persons. Some folks dismiss the eye test tout court, but a skilled observer knows more than mere "stats guys" who follow the lead of modernity which seeks to remove the element of prudential judgment and replace it with impersonal tables of quantifiable data. Nonetheless, the ancient Aristotelian path is more discerning, especially in realms like sport and art that require an intuitive/aesthetic aspect that does not reduce to mere numbers.

 

 

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3 hours ago, NewEra said:

And Mark Clayton has 10 more TDs than James Lofton.  16 more than Andre Johnson. 
 

Jimmy Graham has 16 more TDs than Kelce.  
 

Clayton was clearly inferior to both players. 

Gates - 236 games  11,800 yards 

Kelce - 144 games.  10.300 yards 

 

92 more games- 5.75 more seasons worth of games.  

Just pointing out the difference in games played.  Gates has less yards than Derrick Mason…. And 6 more games played.

 

again-  not taking away from Gates- playing in that many games is a tremendous feat in itself.  
 

 

 

 I'm well aware of Antonio's & Travis' career game counts. Matter of fact the top 3 TEs in career yards(Gonzalez, Witten & Gates) all have a minimum of 236 career games. To me Kelce & Gronk are the 2 best TEs of all-time, 1 having 144 career games(Kelce) and the other 143(Gronk). The top 3s best  attribute, to me, is longevity vs impact of the game.

 

 The top 3 combined have (10) 1,000 yard seasons out of the 50 years that they played. Kelce & Gronk combined have (11) 1,000 yard seasons out of the 23 years they've played. While Gronk has less 1,000 yard seasons than Kelce, he was an absolute beast as a blocker and was far more physical than the other 4 TEs I mentioned.

 

 If Kelce can add 3 or 4 more productive seasons and another Lombardi or 2, I think he'll go down as the current best TE to ever play the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, JoeF said:

Kelce is dominating right now the way Gates never did.  Gates played 16 years, had one 1000 yard season and was a basketball player who understood positioning and leverage just like Kincaid has demonstrated in college.

 

Kelce has 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and will be a first ballot hall of famer.  His stats will dwarf Gates if they play the same amount of years.  He will exceed Gates yards this year.

 

To say that Gates is greater than or at the same level than Kelce is misinformed and not supported by the stats.

Kelce's stats and play dwarf Gates..they are not at the same level.  Kincaid is similar to Gates with the Basketball background and understanding positioning in leverage.  There has never been a TE like Kelce.  There have been other's like Gates.  

 

Regardless of stats, Gates seems like an odd person to come up in discussion as a comparable because stylistically he and Kincaid seem very different to me.

 

Changing gears, last week The Athletic had more discussion on Kincaid:

 

“I like Kincaid to Buffalo,” an exec said. “He was clearly the No. 1 tight end for us. You put him in that offense, then you take the guard in the second round. That is scary for a top-five offense to reload and potentially get better. I like what they did.”

The Athletic’s Randy Mueller (former New Orleans GM) ranked Kincaid as the 10th-best prospect in this draft and his favorite overall evaluation.

“Getting the player is one thing, deploying him is another,” another exec said. “When you start talking about the contenders, Buffalo is not necessarily going the other way, but they do rely too much on their quarterback. The key is going to be how well their coordinator is able to use two tight ends. You don’t see every coordinator do that well.”

 

Paywall and apologies if this was already posted: https://theathletic.com/4490198/2023/05/05/nfl-draft-class-analysis-execs-unfiltered/

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm well aware of Antonio's & Travis' career game counts. Matter of fact the top 3 TEs in career yards(Gonzalez, Witten & Gates) all have a minimum of 236 career games. To me Kelce & Gronk are the 2 best TEs of all-time, 1 having 144 career games(Kelce) and the other 143(Gronk). The top 3s best  attribute, to me, is longevity vs impact of the game.

 

 The top 3 combined have (10) 1,000 yard seasons out of the 50 years that they played. Kelce & Gronk combined have (11) 1,000 yard seasons out of the 23 years they've played. While Gronk has less 1,000 yard seasons than Kelce, he was an absolute beast as a blocker and was far more physical than the other 4 TEs I mentioned.

 

 If Kelce can add 3 or 4 more productive seasons and another Lombardi or 2, I think he'll go down as the current best TE to ever play the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally,  Gronk belongs in the All-time TE conversation in any era..........Kelce almost plays a different position altogether than those other guys.

 

The 2010 rules changes really had their biggest impact on receiving in the middle of the field.........which is where TE's operate.

 

Kelce has basically played his entire career with a different set of rules than guys like Gates and Gonzalez played well into the primes of their careers.

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13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Personally,  Gronk belongs in the All-time TE conversation in any era..........Kelce almost plays a different position altogether than those other guys.

 

The 2010 rules changes really had their biggest impact on receiving in the middle of the field.........which is where TE's operate.

 

Kelce has basically played his entire career with a different set of rules than guys like Gates and Gonzalez played well into the primes of their careers.

 

 Yeah, I'm not debating the rule changes. Sure Kelce has benefited from rule changes, just as Gonzalez & Gates benefited from rule changes when compared to TEs from the 60s, 70s & 80s. Every generation of TE has benefited from the one before it, in that aspect, for the last 3 decades or so. 

 

 Kincaid will benefit over Kelce as his entire career will be played with a minimum of 17 games(Possibly 18 in the future) along with any future rule changes. 

 

 I agree with your comments on Gronk, he's one of, if not, the best of all-time time when talking about the traditional TE position, but much like the QB position, the TE position is starting to include more & more hybrid TEs.

 

 

 

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Kelce is an awesome TE but let's temper some of the accolades.

He spent his entire career with Andy Reid as HC/OC.  He has had Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes as his only 2 QBs.

 

His career would be a whole lot different if he was drafted by the NY Jets in 2013 instead of KC.

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1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

Kelce is an awesome TE but let's temper some of the accolades.

He spent his entire career with Andy Reid as HC/OC.  He has had Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes as his only 2 QBs.

 

His career would be a whole lot different if he was drafted by the NY Jets in 2013 instead of KC.

I agree with you….but that’s just sports. 

 

but Jerry Rice’s career would’ve been a whole lot different if he was drafted by the Bucs instead of the niners.  Same can be said for many HoF pass catchers that we’re catching passes from HoFers.

 

Kelce is special.  

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5 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Yeah, I'm not debating the rule changes. Sure Kelce has benefited from rule changes, just as Gonzalez & Gates benefited from rule changes when compared to TEs from the 60s, 70s & 80s. Every generation of TE has benefited from the one before it, in that aspect, for the last 3 decades or so. 

 

 Kincaid will benefit over Kelce as his entire career will be played with a minimum of 17 games(Possibly 18 in the future) along with any future rule changes. 

 

 I agree with your comments on Gronk, he's one of, if not, the best of all-time time when talking about the traditional TE position, but much like the QB position, the TE position is starting to include more & more hybrid TEs.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't say you were debating the rules changes you and others were totally ignoring them from the discussion......and instead using counting stats as the foundation of your argument.

 

The year after those rules changes 7 QB's had top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons.    It was not the kind of gradual change that took place between the 80's and then that you are poo-pooing it as.  

 

And specifically,  in the case of Kelce,  the changes also.....almost certainly.......lead to Patrick Mahomes choosing football over baseball and becoming the league's best QB and altering Kelce's career outlook drastically.    

 

Kelce was very good back in 2017.........a 1,000 yard receiver playing with a top 10 QB in Alex Smith throwing him the ball.   But he wasn't nearly the weapon Mahomes has made him.    When McDermott's Bills beat KC in Arrowhead in 2017 they took BOTH of Kelce and Hill right out of the game.    They COMBINED for 80 yards that day.    Kelce was running open that day too.......that's just the difference between a playoff caliber QB playing at his prime level and an all-time great at QB like Mahomes.   

 

Hopefully,  Kincaid gets the same synergy with the also truly elite Josh Allen at QB.   

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58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I didn't say you were debating the rules changes you and others were totally ignoring them from the discussion......and instead using counting stats as the foundation of your argument.

 

The year after those rules changes 7 QB's had top 25 all-time passing yardage seasons.    It was not the kind of gradual change that took place between the 80's and then that you are poo-pooing it as.  

 

And specifically,  in the case of Kelce,  the changes also.....almost certainly.......lead to Patrick Mahomes choosing football over baseball and becoming the league's best QB and altering Kelce's career outlook drastically.    

 

Kelce was very good back in 2017.........a 1,000 yard receiver playing with a top 10 QB in Alex Smith throwing him the ball.   But he wasn't nearly the weapon Mahomes has made him.    When McDermott's Bills beat KC in Arrowhead in 2017 they took BOTH of Kelce and Hill right out of the game.    They COMBINED for 80 yards that day.    Kelce was running open that day too.......that's just the difference between a playoff caliber QB playing at his prime level and an all-time great at QB like Mahomes.   

 

Hopefully,  Kincaid gets the same synergy with the also truly elite Josh Allen at QB.   

Yes, you have to strategize with the contemporary rules of the game in mind. Kincaid is a rational shot at giving Allen a player that can fill the same role that Kelce does for Mahomes. Kincaid has enough athletic gifts to make it plausible. It would help to have Andy Reid calling the plays, but even so, it was the right move to make.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Yes, you have to strategize with the contemporary rules of the game in mind. Kincaid is a rational shot at giving Allen a player that can fill the same role that Kelce does for Mahomes. Kincaid has enough athletic gifts to make it plausible. It would help to have Andy Reid calling the plays, but even so, it was the right move to make.

Throw those out there saying that Kelsey is bigger than Kincaid
 

We’re talking about 5 to 10 pounds here and they do not use him to block in Kansas City. He’s out there running routes and catching passes creating mismatches totally the way that Kincaid will be used for the bills

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On 5/14/2023 at 4:19 AM, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Regardless of stats, Gates seems like an odd person to come up in discussion as a comparable because stylistically he and Kincaid seem very different to me.

 

Changing gears, last week The Athletic had more discussion on Kincaid:

 

“I like Kincaid to Buffalo,” an exec said. “He was clearly the No. 1 tight end for us. You put him in that offense, then you take the guard in the second round. That is scary for a top-five offense to reload and potentially get better. I like what they did.”

The Athletic’s Randy Mueller (former New Orleans GM) ranked Kincaid as the 10th-best prospect in this draft and his favorite overall evaluation.

“Getting the player is one thing, deploying him is another,” another exec said. “When you start talking about the contenders, Buffalo is not necessarily going the other way, but they do rely too much on their quarterback. The key is going to be how well their coordinator is able to use two tight ends. You don’t see every coordinator do that well.”

 

Paywall and apologies if this was already posted: https://theathletic.com/4490198/2023/05/05/nfl-draft-class-analysis-execs-unfiltered/

 

 

 

 

 

Josh is obviously our MVP. We will only go as far as he takes us, but it can’t be all on him to this degree. Dorsey, at this point, looks like our MVOG (Most Valuable Other Guy) for this season. He is the one person in the Bills organization with the most to prove. 

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This could be just lip service on Josh's part regarding Kincaid, but I don't think so.

 

"I didn't think he'd be there by the time we were picking," Allen said. "We'll just say I was persistent in my talks with Beane and who I wanted. I was very, very happy with how it happened."

 

Regarding the bolded, Josh could be either alluding to specifically wanting Kincaid (if he was there), or just generally speaking asking for a receiving threat. Not sure. But based on his language I'm taking his response as genuine that he's very happy to have Kincaid.

 

I'm also glad to read that Josh has some influence with Beane. This might seem like a no-brainer but based on recent drafts I would say that Josh's influence has been less than significant.


"Obviously super excited to get a weapon like him," Allen said. "He's very fluid in his route running. He's a very fluid ball catcher. He tracks the ball well, so any time you get to add a piece to your offense like that, I can't help but be excited. He seems like he's a smart kid. ... He's going to help us out a lot."

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/josh-allen-happy-to-have-dalton-kincaid-aboard-pulling-for-rory-mcilroy-at-this-weeks/article_9f96ef42-f44a-11ed-8907-8b016618481c.html

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1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said:

Regarding the bolded, Josh could be either alluding to specifically wanting Kincaid (if he was there), or just generally speaking asking for a receiving threat.

 

Beane has said Allen specifically told him he liked Kincaid. When Beane texted Allen right before making the pick to let him know he was taking Kincaid, Allen got so excited he blew up Beane's phone. So yes Allen loved the pick. This makes me especially excited about Kincaid because it shows that Allen will specifically look to throw him the ball.

 

I have said elsewhere I believe Kincaid will immediately take over Beasley's role in this offense and will be fully up to speed by week 1 (he played in a pro offense at Utah). Allen loved using Beasley as his safety valve until his talent fell off a cliff, so much so that he walked into Beane's office and asked him to bring Beasley out of retirement just to give him somebody functional in that role last year. I'm sure he is very excited to have that type of player back in his offense after spending most of 2022 without it.

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On 5/17/2023 at 5:12 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

Really hope we plug him in day 1 as slot, and bring him along on reps as TE. We need a big bodied wr more than we need a inline TE

I totally agree, given he is ready.  I cant imagine they wouldn't moving u to pick him rd 1.  I was against it initially but as i learned more about his hands, his length, route running, this could or should be a game changer offensively.  And we MIGHT have competent guard play and a stable of RBs, the offense seemed to have "mature", at least in terms of potential.

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On 5/17/2023 at 6:12 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

Really hope we plug him in day 1 as slot, and bring him along on reps as TE. We need a big bodied wr more than we need a inline TE

 

That certainly appears to be the plan. Some reports saying Bills are thrilled and believe he is the next star TE....and not in an inline sense.  Travis Kelce like 

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On 5/21/2023 at 12:13 AM, NewEra said:

Just ordered my Kincaid Jersey!  I hope he doesn’t change his number after a season!!

 

Talk of this man will rule the board in a few months. HoF bound!  🧌 

Sure hope so, but in reality we need to curb expectations out of the gate.  Name the last rookie TE that had a major immediate impact? 

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12 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Sure hope so, but in reality we need to curb expectations out of the gate.  Name the last rookie TE that had a major immediate impact? 

TE position is rapidly evolving, the day of the Ditkas, Shockeys are long gone, they are rapidly morphing into TE/WRs so historical precedence, imo, is not relevant.  Kincaid can have a huge impact as the TE/WR which in fact he will be.

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5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Sure hope so, but in reality we need to curb expectations out of the gate.  Name the last rookie TE that had a major immediate impact? 

“We” don’t have to do anything.  Our expectations will have zero impact on reality. 
 

I see an advanced skill set that should thrive playing with Josh Allen. 
 

Our franchises history of rookie TE performances has nothing to do with Dalton Kincaid or his future.  When was the last time I TE was drafted to become our Wr2/3?  This is different.  
 

Since 1975 we’ve drafted 2 tight ends in the first 2 rounds (Lonnie Johnson and Tony Hunter).  It’s been the position we’ve neglected more than any other.  Now, we drafted one to become our slot receiver. 75> of the time and tight end 25%.  
 

I don’t think he’ll reach his potential this year but his talent will be flashing every week and the entire fan base will be giddy about his future.  
 

again…. My expectations and predictions are just that.  Mine.  And I can do what I please with them while being assured that they w won’t have any impact on reality. 

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Having a line up this we can run down people’s throats all day.

 

WR - Gabe Davis

TE - Kincaid 

TE - Knox

WR - Shorter

RB - Harris

Sherfield has to be in there.  He was the #1 rated run blocker out of WRs last year iirc

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12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“We” don’t have to do anything.  Our expectations will have zero impact on reality. 
 

I see an advanced skill set that should thrive playing with Josh Allen. 
 

Our franchises history of rookie TE performances has nothing to do with Dalton Kincaid or his future.  When was the last time I TE was drafted to become our Wr2/3?  This is different.  
 

Since 1975 we’ve drafted 2 tight ends in the first 2 rounds (Lonnie Johnson and Tony Hunter).  It’s been the position we’ve neglected more than any other.  Now, we drafted one to become our slot receiver. 75> of the time and tight end 25%.  
 

I don’t think he’ll reach his potential this year but his talent will be flashing every week and the entire fan base will be giddy about his future.  
 

again…. My expectations and predictions are just that.  Mine.  And I can do what I please with them while being assured that they w won’t have any impact on reality. 

Sherfield has to be in there.  He was the #1 rated run blocker out of WRs last year iirc


Forgot about him. Take out shorter and put in Sheffield. 

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33 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

TE position is rapidly evolving, the day of the Ditkas, Shockeys are long gone, they are rapidly morphing into TE/WRs so historical precedence, imo, is not relevant.  Kincaid can have a huge impact as the TE/WR which in fact he will be.

I dunno about you but I prefer a tight receiver over a wide end.

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