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41 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

TE position is rapidly evolving, the day of the Ditkas, Shockeys are long gone, they are rapidly morphing into TE/WRs so historical precedence, imo, is not relevant.  Kincaid can have a huge impact as the TE/WR which in fact he will be.

Not that I disagree, but the question still remains the same.  

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36 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“We” don’t have to do anything.  Our expectations will have zero impact on reality. 
 

I see an advanced skill set that should thrive playing with Josh Allen. 
 

Our franchises history of rookie TE performances has nothing to do with Dalton Kincaid or his future.  When was the last time I TE was drafted to become our Wr2/3?  This is different.  
 

Since 1975 we’ve drafted 2 tight ends in the first 2 rounds (Lonnie Johnson and Tony Hunter).  It’s been the position we’ve neglected more than any other.  Now, we drafted one to become our slot receiver. 75> of the time and tight end 25%.  
 

I don’t think he’ll reach his potential this year but his talent will be flashing every week and the entire fan base will be giddy about his future.  
 

again…. My expectations and predictions are just that.  Mine.  And I can do what I please with them while being assured that they w won’t have any impact on reality. 

Sherfield has to be in there.  He was the #1 rated run blocker out of WRs last year iirc

NFL historical precedents are irrelevant?  I didn’t say the Bills, I said the NFL.  
 

It’s a fair question which you failed to answer.  I 10000% hope he is the exception, but I honestly can’t think of a single TE in the modern day NFL that was a game changer in season #1.  Pitts had over 1000 yards his rookie year, but played on an awful team so it’s hard to establish him as a game changer.  Only other 1000 yard rookie TE was Ditka back in the 70’s.  Again, I hope I’m wrong and Kincaid breaks all the TE rookie records, but history isn’t on our side for immediate dividends.  

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21 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“We” don’t have to do anything.  Our expectations will have zero impact on reality. 
 

I see an advanced skill set that should thrive playing with Josh Allen. 
 

I don’t think he’ll reach his potential this year but his talent will be flashing every week and the entire fan base will be giddy about his future.  
 

again…. My expectations and predictions are just that.  Mine.  And I can do what I please with them while being assured that they w won’t have any impact on reality. 

 

Expectations that aren't met have consequences.  Just look at the people here who want McDemott fired or have Dorsey on the hot seat, both did well but they didn't live up to the expectations of some.

 

When you say "I don't think he'll reach his potential this year", it kind of screams you're in some bizarro world - of course Kincaid won't - he's a rookie TE getting his first look at NFL defenders.  And your continuation of the statement with "but his talent will be flashing every week" assumes he will be out there week 1, which is what many of us hope for, but is by no means guaranteed.

 

The problem with your unrealistic expectations is the aftermath when they aren't realized.  The most likely result will be your joining the dump Dorsey brigade.

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Just now, Einstein's Dog said:

Expectations that aren't met have consequences.  Just look at the people here who want McDemott fired or have Dorsey on the hot seat, both did well but they didn't live up to the expectations of some.

 

When you say "I don't think he'll reach his potential this year", it kind of screams you're in some bizarro world - of course Kincaid won't - he's a rookie TE getting his first look at NFL defenders.  And your continuation of the statement with "but his talent will be flashing every week" assumes he will be out there week 1, which is what many of us hope for, but is by no means guaranteed.

 

The problem with your unrealistic expectations is the aftermath when they aren't realized.  The most likely result will be your joining the dump Dorsey brigade.

I promise you, there will be no consequence if Kincaid doesn’t reach my expectations.  
 

The stuff you speak of has an impact on message board talk and social media.  I don’t believe it has any impact on anything related to the play on the field and decision made by Pegula, Beane and McDermott.  “In reality”, that’s all that matters.  
 

 

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40 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Not that I disagree, but the question still remains the same.  

I thought new Era answered the question.  You can take it two ways.  1) Do we as fans need to, no our excitations are totally irrelevant or 2) are they realistic expectations, which is likely your real sentiment. Probably  not, any rookie performance is totally unpredictable.

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3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I thought new Era answered the question.  You can take it two ways.  1) Do we as fans need to, no our excitations are totally irrelevant or 2) are they realistic expectations, which is likely your real sentiment. Probably  not, any rookie performance is totally unpredictable.

Both you and NewEra took a rather silly rhetorical approach to my reply/question.  Of course, in the grand scheme of things there has never been a single post on this message board that is truly relevant in the eyes of OBD management.  You would think this would go without saying.  

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9 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Sure hope so, but in reality we need to curb expectations out of the gate.  

 

7 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Both you and NewEra took a rather silly rhetorical approach to my reply/question.  Of course, in the grand scheme of things there has never been a single post on this message board that is truly relevant in the eyes of OBD management.  You would think this would go without saying.  

Again…….why “in reality” do we need to temper expectations?  Why?  You made the comment.  Please explain why we NEED to do this?  
 

it’s a message board and I’m clearly just having fun drinking all the koolaid about this Kincaid kid.   On record saying that I hope he was our pick prior to drafting him.  I didn’t think we had a chance to get him.  I had him as a top 10 player in this draft.  We got him.  I’m pumped.  
 

And you’re just being a trolling sap per usual. Saying stupid things like we need to temper expectations….. when no, actually we don’t have to.  You just feel compelled to show me love every time you read my posts.  

 


 

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On 5/17/2023 at 4:10 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Beane has said Allen specifically told him he liked Kincaid. When Beane texted Allen right before making the pick to let him know he was taking Kincaid, Allen got so excited he blew up Beane's phone. So yes Allen loved the pick. This makes me especially excited about Kincaid because it shows that Allen will specifically look to throw him the ball.

 

I have said elsewhere I believe Kincaid will immediately take over Beasley's role in this offense and will be fully up to speed by week 1 (he played in a pro offense at Utah). Allen loved using Beasley as his safety valve until his talent fell off a cliff, so much so that he walked into Beane's office and asked him to bring Beasley out of retirement just to give him somebody functional in that role last year. I'm sure he is very excited to have that type of player back in his offense after spending most of 2022 without it.

This is amazing 

Should be the best offense we had in the Allen Era which is a scary thought for opposing defenses 

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4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Every day I still can’t believe this guy is a Buffalo Bill…


Is this “I am so effin’ happy about this pick!!”

 

Or is it “What the f*ck were they thinking!?!”

 

 
 

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5 minutes ago, Gugny said:


Is this “I am so effin’ happy about this pick!!”

 

Or is it “What the f*ck were they thinking!?!”

 

 
 

Lol- he was one of 4 players that I really wanted with our first pick to get me excited about the upcoming season…👍

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2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Lol- he was one of 4 players that I really wanted with our first pick to get me excited about the upcoming season…👍

Just make sure that you temper your expectations…… or else!!!

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3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Lol- he was one of 4 players that I really wanted with our first pick to get me excited about the upcoming season…👍


I’ve always been kind of a homer with our first round picks. I’ve always been able to convince myself that they were the right picks. 
 

The Kincaid pick felt great to me right when it happened. No self-convincing necessary. 

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13 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

And you’re just being a trolling sap per usual. Saying stupid things like we need to temper expectations….. when no, actually we don’t have to.  You just feel compelled to show me love every time you read my posts.  

 


 

Keep insulting members through your personal attacks.  Maybe one day a moderator will hold you accountable and to the same standards of the other TBD MB members.  

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21 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

You’re doing a great job proving @PrimeTime101 correct.  Keep insulting members through your personal attacks.  Maybe one day a moderator will hold you accountable and to the same standards of the other TBD MB members.  

and yet again- you fail answer the question I asked.  Why do WE (as fans) NEED to temper our expectations?  What will happen if they don’t live up to my expectations?   

 


maybe one day lol.  I’ve been warned and put in timeout my fair share.  
 

maybe they see the truth in what I’m saying.  
 

Your weak baiting techniques are powerless against my power.  Back to ignore you go.  
 

 

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2 hours ago, Gugny said:


I’ve always been kind of a homer with our first round picks. I’ve always been able to convince myself that they were the right picks. 
 

The Kincaid pick felt great to me right when it happened. No self-convincing necessary. 

I am guilty of the same phenomenon but found the Aaron Maybin pick as the exception to the rule.  This time I am really sold/sucked in on Kincaid

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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I am guilty of the same phenomenon but found the Aaron Maybin pick as the exception to the rule.  This time I am really sold/sucked in on Kincaid

Donte was the toughest pill to swallow with Ngata sitting there waving

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Donte was the toughest pill to swallow with Ngata sitting there waving

Forget about that but at least Donte had a pretty successful NFL career.   Wasn't Donte's specialty the "back tackle"

where he would turn his back to the runner and knock him down on the ground with his back?   Maybin was one of our biggest busts (for a first rounder) of all time, somehow the clown HC Rex Ryan managed to get a few sacks out of Maybin with the Jets..  

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5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Forget about that but at least Donte had a pretty successful NFL career.   Wasn't Donte's specialty the "back tackle"

where he would turn his back to the runner and knock him down on the ground with his back?   Maybin was one of our biggest busts (for a first rounder) of all time, somehow the clown HC Rex Ryan managed to get a few sacks out of Maybin with the Jets..  

I remember Maybin as having quite the stellar career…could you imagine if we drafted that super bust Orakpo ahead of him like everyone wanted 🤦.  

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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Forget about that but at least Donte had a pretty successful NFL career.   Wasn't Donte's specialty the "back tackle"

where he would turn his back to the runner and knock him down on the ground with his back?   Maybin was one of our biggest busts (for a first rounder) of all time, somehow the clown HC Rex Ryan managed to get a few sacks out of Maybin with the Jets..  

yeah donte wasn’t bad.  I thought he was an above average safety with us who was a better fit in SF.  
 

tackling with his back….don’t remember tbh.  He was a big hitter for sure 

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34 minutes ago, NewEra said:

and yet again- you fail answer the question I asked.  Why do WE (as fans) NEED to temper our expectations?  What will happen if they don’t live up to my expectations?   

 


maybe one day lol.  I’ve been warned and put in timeout my fair share.  
 

maybe they see the truth in what I’m saying.  
 

Your weak baiting techniques are powerless against my power.  Back to ignore you go.  
 

 

For starters. What ever point i made with others is far done and I do not think

 

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

You’re doing a great job proving @PrimeTime101 correct.  Keep insulting members through your personal attacks.  Maybe one day a moderator will hold you accountable and to the same standards of the other TBD MB members.  

For starters. What ever point i made with others is far done and I do not think My name needs to be brought up over and over again. @NewEra and myself had a little run in but that was not just about @NewEra. We can go out and make our points and move on as adults. As to this topic, I feel we all have the right to have our own opinion on what our expectations should or should not be. I would not shove expectations on you, would not be fair. I have extremely high expectations that gat us to the AFCE Championship at the least. 

 

Again.. We all made our valid points. Lets move on.... 

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19 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

yep. Thanks for proving my point from my other thread... your obsession with @NewEra is nuts and now you do the very thing I am 1000% against. Making it personal. Now you are ignored. 

Giphy, come back to me!!  How dare you leave me when I need you most!

 

Best post I’ve seen in 20+ years.  👊🏻 

 

The people have spoken!

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2 hours ago, NewEra said:

and yet again- you fail answer the question I asked.  Why do WE (as fans) NEED to temper our expectations?  What will happen if they don’t live up to my expectations?   
 

I see huge possibilities for Kincaid - getting Beasley type targets with near same results.  A huge weapon along the Kelce lines.  I would love to see when the Bills get a first down with Diggs/Davis/Knox/Kincaid and maybe Harris out there, go to no-huddle.  Go power run while the D can't substitute, catch the D with the lightweight extra DBs out there.  And I want Kincaid out there getting reps quickly, Jets game even.  And I don't want a short leash on him either - none of what happened to J Cook or Shakir.

 

The problem for me with these incredibly optimistic hopes is when they don't happen, I will look for reasons.  And I will be looking to Dorsey for answers.  He has a different type of chess piece here, I want to see him get Kincaid involved.

 

So when someone says to me that "I need to temper my expectations" I get it.  Because I do.  if I let my hopes become my expectations i am judging Dorsey by some very lofty, unrealistic, goals.

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6 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I see huge possibilities for Kincaid - getting Beasley type targets with near same results.  A huge weapon along the Kelce lines.  I would love to see when the Bills get a first down with Diggs/Davis/Knox/Kincaid and maybe Harris out there, go to no-huddle.  Go power run while the D can't substitute, catch the D with the lightweight extra DBs out there.  And I want Kincaid out there getting reps quickly, Jets game even.  And I don't want a short leash on him either - none of what happened to J Cook or Shakir.

 

The problem for me with these incredibly optimistic hopes is when they don't happen, I will look for reasons.  And I will be looking to Dorsey for answers.  He has a different type of chess piece here, I want to see him get Kincaid involved.

 

So when someone says to me that "I need to temper my expectations" I get it.  Because I do.  if I let my hopes become my expectations i am judging Dorsey by some very lofty, unrealistic, goals.

Agree with all but the last paragraph.  
 

I’m going to judge everything about bills related just as I do every year.  
 

I know where I’ll look first if our offense is lacking. 1st:  the OL.  If the OL is getting wrecked, it’s tough to do anything with great success.  If the OL isn’t terrible and the offense is still 💩  2nd:  Dorsey-  it’s his offense.  It’s his responsibility to make sure it’s firing.  3rd:  it’ll most likely be my fault.  My expectations clearly caused our sucktitude.  

 

 

If Kincaid isn’t producing but our offense is humming, I won’t be upset.  Minus injury, just don’t see how isn’t going to be a key contributor this year and a star in the future. 

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19 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I see huge possibilities for Kincaid - getting Beasley type targets with near same results.  A huge weapon along the Kelce lines.  I would love to see when the Bills get a first down with Diggs/Davis/Knox/Kincaid and maybe Harris out there, go to no-huddle.  Go power run while the D can't substitute, catch the D with the lightweight extra DBs out there.  And I want Kincaid out there getting reps quickly, Jets game even.  And I don't want a short leash on him either - none of what happened to J Cook or Shakir.

 

The problem for me with these incredibly optimistic hopes is when they don't happen, I will look for reasons.  And I will be looking to Dorsey for answers.  He has a different type of chess piece here, I want to see him get Kincaid involved.

 

So when someone says to me that "I need to temper my expectations" I get it.  Because I do.  if I let my hopes become my expectations i am judging Dorsey by some very lofty, unrealistic, goals.

And I still don’t understand why it’s “needed” to temper expectations.  Need would signify that if you don’t do this, then there will be a negative outcome.  What is the negative outcome that will arise if I don’t?
 

Your answer is: that I’ll judge the OC? Or put blame on someone?  🤷🏻‍♂️ that just doesn’t seem like any reason to “need” to do something.  Maybe if it had a negative impact on the team…. Like the reality that was spoken of, I could understand. I don’t understand the need when the only negative outcome comes in the fashion of my thoughts 

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15 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I see huge possibilities for Kincaid - getting Beasley type targets with near same results.  A huge weapon along the Kelce lines.  I would love to see when the Bills get a first down with Diggs/Davis/Knox/Kincaid and maybe Harris out there, go to no-huddle.  Go power run while the D can't substitute, catch the D with the lightweight extra DBs out there.  And I want Kincaid out there getting reps quickly, Jets game even.  And I don't want a short leash on him either - none of what happened to J Cook or Shakir.

 

The problem for me with these incredibly optimistic hopes is when they don't happen, I will look for reasons.  And I will be looking to Dorsey for answers.  He has a different type of chess piece here, I want to see him get Kincaid involved.

 

So when someone says to me that "I need to temper my expectations" I get it.  Because I do.  if I let my hopes become my expectations i am judging Dorsey by some very lofty, unrealistic, goals.

They key words I didn’t include were should and unrealistic in regards to setting expectations for him this year.  “We should curb unrealistic expectations” We all want Dalton to go bonkers this year, but historically it’s highly improbable.  So why are unrealistic expectations not good?  Well, many reasons (most of which you concluded, thank you!) 1 - it’s not a rationale way to assess the player or offense and 2 - you’re most likely setting yourself up for disappointment (we as Bills fans already have had enough of that over the last 30 years).  

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On 5/23/2023 at 12:29 PM, NewEra said:

and yet again- you fail answer the question I asked.  Why do WE (as fans) NEED to temper our expectations?  What will happen if they don’t live up to my expectations?   

 


maybe one day lol.  I’ve been warned and put in timeout my fair share.  
 

maybe they see the truth in what I’m saying.  
 

Your weak baiting techniques are powerless against my power.  Back to ignore you go.  
 

 

Nobody "needs" to temper their expectations lol this is such a weird thing to get upset about. Nobodies implying our expectations will have any effect on the field.

 

Saying "we need to keep our expectations in check" is a very common phrase, that nobody else is taking as literally as you. All he's saying is anyone expecting 12tds, 1200yards, 140 catches, will be likely disappointed.

 

Why is anyone having this argument lol

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20 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I see huge possibilities for Kincaid - getting Beasley type targets with near same results.  A huge weapon along the Kelce lines.  I would love to see when the Bills get a first down with Diggs/Davis/Knox/Kincaid and maybe Harris out there, go to no-huddle.  Go power run while the D can't substitute, catch the D with the lightweight extra DBs out there.  And I want Kincaid out there getting reps quickly, Jets game even.  And I don't want a short leash on him either - none of what happened to J Cook or Shakir.

 

The problem for me with these incredibly optimistic hopes is when they don't happen, I will look for reasons.  And I will be looking to Dorsey for answers.  He has a different type of chess piece here, I want to see him get Kincaid involved.

 

So when someone says to me that "I need to temper my expectations" I get it.  Because I do.  if I let my hopes become my expectations i am judging Dorsey by some very lofty, unrealistic, goals.

Serious question, are you already looking for "reasons" or scapegoats.?

 

I have never seen a more successful 1st yr OC so demonized by his own fan base, like he was the target as soon as Dabol left.

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20 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

They key words I didn’t include were should and unrealistic in regards to setting expectations for him this year.  “We should curb unrealistic expectations” We all want Dalton to go bonkers this year, but historically it’s highly improbable.  So why are unrealistic expectations not good?  Well, many reasons (most of which you concluded, thank you!) 1 - it’s not a rationale way to assess the player or offense and 2 - you’re most likely setting yourself up for disappointment (we as Bills fans already have had enough of that over the last 30 years).  

Do you predict snow and rain 24/7? Do you Just predict Earthquakes, Tornado's and Hurricanes? Lighten up a little man. Let people enjoy what is in front of them instead of you raining on their parade every day. :D  IDK man... Maybe this is just the reason why we do not trust weather men on tv. We got this awesome player, best catcher in the draft. let us enjoy our wild expectations for a while. Let us have fun.

 

Cup Half full. Even if it is filled with Rain Water.

 

Welcome to my fun sarcasm for the day :D 

 

 

@NewEra  Correction This was the best post in 20 years... :D 

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10 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Nobody "needs" to temper their expectations lol this is such a weird thing to get upset about. Nobodies implying our expectations will have any effect on the field.

 

Saying "we need to keep our expectations in check" is a very common phrase, that nobody else is taking as literally as you. All he's saying is anyone expecting 12tds, 1200yards, 140 catches, will be likely disappointed.

 

Why is anyone having this argument lol


why are you having this conversation?

 

I made a post.  My SWF told me that I needed to temper my expectations.  I disagree.  My hopes and expectations will have no effect on anything.  


Who’s expecting 140 1200 12?  My expectations are that he will be a great player.  

 

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24 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Do you predict snow and rain 24/7? Do you Just predict Earthquakes, Tornado's and Hurricanes? Lighten up a little man. Let people enjoy what is in front of them instead of you raining on their parade every day. :D  IDK man... Maybe this is just the reason why we do not trust weather men on tv. We got this awesome player, best catcher in the draft. let us enjoy our wild expectations for a while. Let us have fun.

 

Cup Half full. Even if it is filled with Rain Water.

 

Welcome to my fun sarcasm for the day :D 

 

 

@NewEra  Correction This was the best post in 20 years... :D 

it’s only funny if both people are laughing, now your just being a bully.  I’ve had it, I’m going to make a thread about how many mean people are on this message board.  You proved my previous points from a separate conversation, your obsession with me is nuts.  You’ve made this personal which I’m 1000% against.  You’re now blocked. 😭 😭 😢 Sound familiar?  

 

On a separate note, do you really think weathermen forecast earthquakes?  What in the Sam hell are they teaching kids in HS these days?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

 

Glad I could facilitate the rekindling of yours and NewEra’s romance.  I thought you were both headed for a nasty divorce.  Cheers to you both 🍻 

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I am not sure if it has been posted in this thread, but Kincaid has a lot of potential and I am very excited to see him in this offense… especially opening up the middle in Zone schemes, and taking advantage of one-on-one LB matchups! I am pretty sure no one mentioned this before now

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9 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

it’s only funny if both people are laughing, now your just being a bully.  I’ve had it, I’m going to make a thread about how many mean people are on this message board.  You proved my previous points from a separate conversation, your obsession with me is nuts.  You’ve made this personal which I’m 1000% against.  You’re now blocked. 😭 😭 😢 Sound familiar?  

 

On a separate note, do you really think weathermen forecast earthquakes?  What in the Sam hell are they teaching kids in HS these days?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

 

Glad I could facilitate the rekindling of yours and NewEra’s romance.  I thought you were both headed for a nasty divorce.  Cheers to you both 🍻 

Oh man. If you didn't get that I was keeping that whole reply lite with my smiles showing that I was not being super serious about it then i give up. 

 

That was my best effort to lighten the situation up and move on and you took it serious. enough is enough lol.

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