Is there any defensive player you'd be happy with at pick 27?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

The growing pains with Edmunds never ended

He’s coming off of a really good year (his best). That’s why someone will pay him a bunch of money. His length and range will be really hard to replicate. Edmunds is a very good LB. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I disagree.  I think we’ll see what Edmunds did for the pass defense in the middle of the field if he leaves.

While true imo, the right guy could improve the D in other ways....run stops, blitzing, etc...

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Many of us have asked for that. Many of us have asked for a lot of things, some bizarre, some reasonable, some might happen, others probably not. People shout a lot of stuff from the cheap seats.

 

They've fielded an excellent defense for a long time now. No particular reason to think they'll change the scheme unless forced to by circumstances.

 

And part of the reason Milano in particular can run around with his hair on fire is precisely that that Edmunds is behind them not running around with his hair on fire, being more analytical, diagnosing and filling holes. They play complementary roles.

 

 

By design they are complimentary. That's signature McDermott !
 I think we might improve on filling those gaps and lanes post Edmunds.
Circumstance will force some tweaks. Sean alluded to as much

 

and i will continue to voice my opinions from my very cheap seat. LOL
Thanks for note Thurman

 

47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s coming off of a really good year (his best). That’s why someone will pay him a bunch of money. His length and range will be really hard to replicate. Edmunds is a very good LB. 

Good business strategy on his part ?

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

By design they are complimentary. That's signature McDermott !
 I think we might improve on filling those gaps and lanes post Edmunds.
Circumstance will force some tweaks. Sean alluded to as much

 

and i will continue to voice my opinions from my very cheap seat. LOL
Thanks for note Thurman

 

Good business strategy on his part ?

Getting to FA is a win for him. I was hoping that the Bills could retain him on a decent number. He’s looking at a number like Roquan IMO (5 years $120M $45M guaranteed).

[balln]

4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I disagree.  I think we’ll see what Edmunds did for the pass defense in the middle of the field if he leaves.

Yea can’t look as bad vs cincy. He’s Not worth it 

 

move on ppl 

[DapperCam]

If we spend our cap in FA and trades for the offense, then I would be okay with drafting defense. No matter how you slice it, we need a legit Saffold replacement and WR2. I don’t really care where they come from.

[LeGOATski]

8 hours ago, dje85 said:

I want BPA, I don't care if it is offense or Defense. At pick 28 you shouldn't pigeon hole into a position. Outside of qb or obvious positions you don't pick in the 1st like punter every position should be in play. If you pigeon your hole choices that is how you wind up making decisions like taking Boogie Basham over Creed Humphrey back in 2021. Just give me bpa after plugging our blatant holes in free agency before hand with cheap solid to average veterans. 

I agree with the point you're making about BPA, but wasn't Basham a BPA pick? They had just taken a DE in rd 1 and grabbed Basham, another DE, in rd 2 because he was BPA on their board.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Why who impressed you at the combine? I thought it was mainly very meh. Like the class as a whole.

In terms of WR, I think it fell nicely for the Bills. 

 

I think Zay Flowers had a good combine (4.42-1.53-35.5"-10'7"), but not so good that he wouldn't be there. 

 

If Jalin Hyatt had run 4.29-4.38 he most likely doesn't get past the Chargers at #21. Now at 4.40-1.50-40"-11'3" does he make it to the Bills at #27? Still huge explosion and 4.40 flat is plenty fast enough. 

 

Also, both guys are small, Flowers at 182 and Hyatt 180. 

 

Jaxson Smith-Ngijba did more than enough to cement Top 20 pick status, and Quinton Johnson did too with 40.5" vertical and 11'2" broad. Those are great numbers. 

 

You have to hope that Bijan did enough to make someone draft him before the Bills, and Gibbs had a big combine too. 

 

 

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

You do that by getting him a better line and receivers so he doesn’t feel he needs to play backyard football and run over linebackers.

Have you looked into the draft prospects yet?  Do you have any particular guys that you want or don’t want in round one or 2?

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

In terms of WR, I think it fell nicely for the Bills. 

 

I think Zay Flowers had a good combine (4.42-1.53-35.5"-10'7"), but not so good that he wouldn't be there. 

 

If Jalin Hyatt had run 4.29-4.38 he most likely doesn't get past the Chargers at #21. Now at 4.40-1.50-40"-11'3" does he make it to the Bills at #27? Still huge explosion and 4.40 flat is plenty fast enough. 

 

Also, both guys are small, Flowers at 182 and Hyatt 180. 

 

Jaxson Smith-Ngijba did more than enough to cement Top 20 pick status, and Quinton Johnson did too with 40.5" vertical and 11'2" broad. Those are great numbers. 

 

You have to hope that Bijan did enough to make someone draft him before the Bills, and Gibbs had a big combine too. 

 

When the combine is a "good combine" because players performed less well than expected so that means we might be able to draft a player who isn't as explosive as people hoped I don't think that is a good combine. 

 

I wasn't super high on either of those guys before the combine, I'm certainly not any higher now. I know, I am a misery guts about this draft. I hate the class. Unless something really strange happens I doubt there is a single option that will have me punching the air when the Bills pick at #27. You can take Zay Flowers who gets outmuscled by fresh air or Jalin Hyatt who can run one route after both have shown to be slower than expected and that is supposed to be a good thing? Ugh. 

 

Trade back, don't bother with more picks for this year. These players suck. Trade back and try and pick up some more ammo for 2024. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When the combine is a "good combine" because players performed less well than expected so that means we might be able to draft a player who isn't as explosive as people hoped I don't think that is a good combine. 

 

I wasn't super high on either of those guys before the combine, I'm certainly not any higher now. I know, I am a misery guts about this draft. I hate the class. Unless something really strange happens I doubt there is a single option that will have me punching the air when the Bills pick at #27. You can take Zay Flowers who gets outmuscled by fresh air or Jalin Hyatt who can run one route after both have shown to be slower than expected and that is supposed to be a good thing? Ugh. 

 

Trade back, don't bother with more picks for this year. These players suck. Trade back and try and pick up some more ammo for 2024. 

I'm with you on trying to find someone at 27. The rest of the draft at least I can see some reasonable choices, but will depend on what/if we do in FA.

 

Maybe Beane should pull off a Diggs trade and use 27 to find a WR instead of drafting someone?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When the combine is a "good combine" because players performed less well than expected so that means we might be able to draft a player who isn't as explosive as people hoped I don't think that is a good combine. 

 

I wasn't super high on either of those guys before the combine, I'm certainly not any higher now. I know, I am a misery guts about this draft. I hate the class. Unless something really strange happens I doubt there is a single option that will have me punching the air when the Bills pick at #27. You can take Zay Flowers who gets outmuscled by fresh air or Jalin Hyatt who can run one route after both have shown to be slower than expected and that is supposed to be a good thing? Ugh. 

 

Trade back, don't bother with more picks for this year. These players suck. Trade back and try and pick up some more ammo for 2024. 

Well, I think the dumbest thing the Bills could do is lose Edmunds and Poyer, and then turn around immediately and take Campbell or Antonio Johnson at #27.

 

Thats how the 2005-2012 Bills did things with Jauron and Brandon. 

 

Also, people do realize that if there was a Julio Jones in this draft, or a Calvin Johnson, or a Garrett Wilson, the class would be better, but at #27 none of those players would be there right?

 

I don't see a good draft, bad draft, you're picking late in every round, so there are no more blue chippers anymore. 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Well, I think the dumbest thing the Bills could do is lose Edmunds and Poyer, and then turn around immediately and take Campbell or Antonio Johnson at #27.

 

Thats how the 2005-2012 Bills did things with Jauron and Brandon. 

 

Also, people do realize that if there was a Julio Jones in this draft, or a Calvin Johnson, or a Garrett Wilson, the class would be better, but at #27 none of those players would be there right?

 

I don't see a good draft, bad draft, you're picking late in every round, so there are no more blue chippers anymore. 

 

 

1st point - I'm not advocating for that.

 

2nd point - sure, but the impact of more blue chippers is more legit 1st round guys get to later in the first.

 

3rd point - this is a bad draft IMO. One of the weakest in several years. We are talking here about drafting receivers in the 1st round who would not have been locks for round 2 a year ago. 

[OldTimer1960]

52 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1st point - I'm not advocating for that.

 

2nd point - sure, but the impact of more blue chippers is more legit 1st round guys get to later in the first.

 

3rd point - this is a bad draft IMO. One of the weakest in several years. We are talking here about drafting receivers in the 1st round who would not have been locks for round 2 a year ago. 

I agree, it is depressing.  At this point, maybe best to stick to high-floor guys and hope that you get solid contributions from hopefully the first 3 rounds.  That doesn’t mean that they have to start this year to be considered a contributor, but hopefully eventually they will get 2-3 decent starters out of this draft.  

[dje85]

10 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I agree with the point you're making about BPA, but wasn't Basham a BPA pick? They had just taken a DE in rd 1 and grabbed Basham, another DE, in rd 2 because he was BPA on their board.

I'm not sure, I know the Bills want us to believe that and he may have been but I believe the Bills wanted a DE rotation and sort of pidgeon hole selected a second DE. Probably earlier than they would have since Basham was higher on their board than other De's available that they felt they could get later on. 

 

That said I hope he wasn't a true bpa pick to the Bills at that point. If so then we have a huge scouting problem. I threw things when we chose Basham over several other prospects at that point. Though I admit a few of those guys I would of preferred at that time have been non existant and terrible as well. Poor draft that year imo but one of the top guys I wanted at that time who I feel should of been a no brainer top bpa pick was Creed Humprey.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1st point - I'm not advocating for that.

 

2nd point - sure, but the impact of more blue chippers is more legit 1st round guys get to later in the first.

 

3rd point - this is a bad draft IMO. One of the weakest in several years. We are talking here about drafting receivers in the 1st round who would not have been locks for round 2 a year ago. 

Well Gunner, according to Mike Schopp, no team, no scout can truly know who will be good and bad in the NFL. 
 

It’s all a dart throw and the more darts you have the better your odds. 
 

I have a feeling this draft will be like a ton of drafts before it. Players picked higher will generally be better than those picked in Rounds 4-7.

 

If you added 10 more great players to this draft, it doesn’t change the fact that the Bills have 3 picks in the Top 100, and only 6 picks total.

 

Have the Bills always done better in stronger drafts on the back of it was just a stronger draft? 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 hours ago, DapperCam said:

If we spend our cap in FA and trades for the offense, then I would be okay with drafting defense. No matter how you slice it, we need a legit Saffold replacement and WR2. I don’t really care where they come from.

 

Right - if we sign a risner or similar.  And add say Robert Woods or keenan allen.  It doesn't fly off the page at all, but id understand if they went with a DT or something like that in the first round.  

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Mostly the WRs. Not a fan of using a first rounder on Flowers, or Hyatt. I like JSN quite a bit from what I’ve seen. I like Rice as well… 

 

Haven’t looked at offensive line. Would absolutely hate safety or LB to replace Poyer/Edmunds…. From what I’ve read trade down seems like the best option. 

Yeah, I feel the same about Hyatt after wanting him at first.  I love the speed, but question the rest of his WR skills.  

 

Flowers I’ve come around to, but still don’t see him as a 1st rd pick.  

 

JSN or Addison would be great fits.

[corta765]

Gandalf or Sauron because they could single handily stop the entire offense

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Have the Bills always done better in stronger drafts on the back of it was just a stronger draft? 

 

Our best two recent efforts 2017 and 2018 were good drafts. They have each had 21 1st team all pro selections from them so far. Compare that to 2015 which was, even at the time, acknowledged to be a weaker draft, with only 11 (despite a 2/3 year headstart).

 

I don't buy and have never bought the "it's a total crapshoot" argument. It isn't an exact science, but it isn't a crapshoot either. 

 

Of course players picked higher will be more likely to be better players if your only comparison is to THIS draft. If you really want to know how good a draft it is you have to compare them to their peers when they arrive in the NFL. 

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I agree, it is depressing.  At this point, maybe best to stick to high-floor guys and hope that you get solid contributions from hopefully the first 3 rounds.  That doesn’t mean that they have to start this year to be considered a contributor, but hopefully eventually they will get 2-3 decent starters out of this draft.  

 

That is where I am tbh. More than any other draft I'd be willing to move around the board and target 3-4 guys I see as high floor contributors even if they are never gonna have the ceiling to be stars.

 

I have been vocal about the Bills needing more difference makers. This draft probably isn't the place they will find them.

[3rdand12]

7 hours ago, corta765 said:

Gandalf or Sauron because they could single handily stop the entire offense

Are they available ? And can we afford either of them ?

 

LOL

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 3/5/2023 at 1:17 PM, HappyDays said:

Most Bills fans understandably want an offensive player in the 1st round. I get it. But if the board falls a certain way, is there any defensive player realistically available at pick 27 that you would be happy with?

 

I have mentioned elsewhere that my guy on defense is LB Jack Campbell. He wouldn't be my first preference at pick 27 but I've grown to like him enough that I would be happy with him as the pick there. He brings a size and physicality to the defense that we don't currently have and I think filling that missing element is just as important as filling some of our holes on offense.

To be honest I’m not in love with this draft so we need to take the bpa no matter the position other then QB. This team needs studs and it doesn’t matter where they play. 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 3/5/2023 at 1:47 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah, I'm sick and tired of ignoring Josh. Find a Tremaine or Poyer replacement in FA.  I want 4 and 5 year rookie contracts surrounding 17.  And I'm not as obsessed about bpa as some are. You should always draft bpa "of need".  Gotta be OL or WR2.

The Wrs are not good in this draft people are gonna find out real quick there all pretty much 2nd day prospects. Wait until next yr for the Wr. I know u don’t want to hear it but u don’t want to force a Pk and get stuck with a player u don’t want. 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, corta765 said:

Gandalf or Sauron because they could single handily stop the entire offense

We just need to draft the precious....

Under no circumstances should we draft a 1st round replacement for Poyer or Edmunds.  Benford can play safety and we can easily find a low cost fa LB for Edmunds. I want either JSN or the best OT left at 27.  Avila at 59.  Demario Douglas in the 5th round. 

[LABILLBACKER]

28 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The Wrs are not good in this draft people are gonna find out real quick there all pretty much 2nd day prospects. Wait until next yr for the Wr. I know u don’t want to hear it but u don’t want to force a Pk and get stuck with a player u don’t want. 

 

I think some wrs are going to surprise people. Addison, JSN, Flowers and Tillman all impressed me at the combine drills.  It's not a forced pick if you don't have incompetent scouts.  We don't have the luxury to wait till next year to start grabbing wrs for Josh.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I think some wrs are going to surprise people. Addison, JSN, Flowers and Tillman all impressed me at the combine drills.  It's not a forced pick if you don't have incompetent scouts.  We don't have the luxury to wait till next year to start grabbing wrs for Josh.

 

I wish I thought there were difference makers at WR to shoot at. I still think the Bills have to take a WR somewhere in the first couple of rounds. Davis is in his final year, Diggs is the age he is and feeling a bit disgruntled and as of the current moment we do not have a single other outside receiver beyond a couple of futures contracts on the roster. So they are going to have to take a shot at someone. I'm just not sure they are going to find a guy who makes a major impact. 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they have to get creative and trade for a veteran… someone like Jeudy… A good 1B receiver across from Diggs should be priority number one this off-season IMO

 

I'll be disappointed if they leave BOTH OL and WR to this questionable draft to solve. Make a vet move at one of those spots, trade away your 3rd or something. Then sure, take a punt on the other spot in the draft but they have to be aggressive on helping this offense. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think they have to get creative and trade for a veteran… someone like Jeudy… A good 1B receiver across from Diggs should be priority number one this off-season IMO

I agree with this. I put in another thread wondering if we could do a trade for Pittman on the Colts. They are desperate for a qb and may need some draft capital to get who they want. Plus they just got Pierce last year and they could re-sign Campbell. 🤔. Last year of his rookie deal, then we could choose between Davis and Pittman next year as our 1b/2.

[corta765]

14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Are they available ? And can we afford either of them ?

 

LOL

 

Might be a lifetime contract but its worth it

[SoCal Deek]

Or maybe instead of going fishing for players to replace the NFL caliber players we already have, maybe, just maybe, we could coach up our current players to perform better on a consistent basis. (Just a thought.) I am not convinced that Gabe Davis has to be thrown in the dumpster. We have all seen him perform from time to time. His problem is not athleticism …it’s consistency! 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Davis has been in the league 3 years and has consistently shown who he is…. McBeane would be fools to simply standby and wait for him to suddenly develop into a good option across from Diggs. Shakir 100% agree… outside of that who are you talking about offensively? 

I disagree on Davis. He’s definitely had his moments. Many of them. His problem is consistency in hanging onto the ball when challenged at the point of the catch. The coaching staff can definitely work on that with him. As regards the other skill positions, Singletary has consistently been merely average at best, and Knox simply isn’t thrown to in this offense. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Either Van Ness or Nolan Smith

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Or maybe instead of going fishing for players to replace the NFL caliber players we already have, maybe, just maybe, we could coach up our current players to perform better on a consistent basis. (Just a thought.) I am not convinced that Gabe Davis has to be thrown in the dumpster. We have all seen him perform from time to time. His problem is not athleticism …it’s consistency! 

 

 

Gabe Davis is a model of consistency.   You know what you have.   Not fast, not quick, very poor in contested catch situations due to modest ball skills/concentration.........but a big target and very good at running the routes he does well, some of which create big plays.   I think you are confusing skill with consistency.    He has never been any of those things that he's not good at.  

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

His career problem has been consistency… Going into the season with Davis cemented as your #2 would be terrible management considering his 3 year career to this point.

I don’t completely disagree but I’m more interested in using draft picks on positions that are in way worse shape, like the offensive line. Remember this thread is about Pick 27. 

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Gabe Davis is a model of consistency.   You know what you have.   Not fast, not quick, very poor in contested catch situations due to modest ball skills/concentration.........but a big target and very good at running the routes he does well, some of which create big plays.   I think you are confusing skill with consistency.    He has never been any of those things that he's not good at.  

 

I think in his credit column you have to give him decent feet at the line - his get off package is the one bit of his game I think you can legit say has improved since he came into the league and also above average body control for a bigger guy. But I agree with you he has largely been the same guy all 3 years. 

[SoCal Deek]

19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Eh… WR opposite Diggs is the biggest bang for your buck for offensive improvement and one of the easier fixes than a completely offensive line overhaul. 

We’re definitely going to disagree there. While not sexy, this team desperately needs two young stud Guards to anchor the middle of the line for the remaining years of Allen’s contract. They’ll be cheap for the duration, and improve both the passing and running game way more than a rookie WR that at the very best will catch four passes per game (maybe one or two more than Gabe would’ve caught). 

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re definitely going to disagree there. While not sexy, this team desperately needs two young stud Guards to anchor the middle of the line for the remaining years of Allen’s contract. They’ll be cheap for the duration, and improve both the passing and running game way more than a rookie WR that at the very best will catch four passes per game (maybe one or two more than Gabe would’ve caught). 

One beast starter at RG.
at least. Maybe another guard who can graduate to C next year or two behind Morse

But where do they find these ? this is the issue !

I am not against Def at 27 as long as the Fix/not patch, the RG and LG position. Bates might be part of the answer??
 

Gonna have to replace Tremaine it sure seems. Need a safety as who can play next to Hyde right away.
 

Edited March 11, 2023 by 3rdand12

[Sisyphean Bills]

Looking at some mocks and they seem to think we're taking another DL this year. Weird. I wonder why they'd assume that? 😬

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 3/10/2023 at 9:43 AM, SoCal Deek said:

I disagree on Davis. He’s definitely had his moments. Many of them. His problem is consistency in hanging onto the ball when challenged at the point of the catch. The coaching staff can definitely work on that with him. As regards the other skill positions, Singletary has consistently been merely average at best, and Knox simply isn’t thrown to in this offense. 

I think Davis is one of the better #2 Wrs in the NFL . He’s in the same mold as a Dj Chark or MVS he’s pretty much in top 15 of #2s in the league. Your right here does have his good and moments but there’s not much #2s that don’t. 

[Bag of Milk]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:55 AM, BullBuchanan said:

Yep - Trenton Simpson or Jack Campbell

 Congratulations on the first person that mentioned Trent Simpson! He is my number one choice.

Simpson is still falling under the radar to me. That will change as we approach the draft as his athleticism will not be denied.

Simpson is capable of playing middle linebacker in variations of the Tampa Bay Cover Two.

He has the possibility of being electric in the middle for the Bills for years to come. Future All-Pro.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Bag of Milk