Eastport bills Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, noacls said: All pro and pro bowl are not the same thing. Look it up. My point is Edmunds is overrated. Addition by subtraction 7 minutes ago, noacls said: All pro and pro bowl are not the same thing. Look it up. My point is Edmunds is overrated. Addition by subtraction You’re entitled to think of him as overrated, but when you have a top 3 defense by every metric, and he plays every down in a 2 LB set, and he brings down the biggest contract for an ILB in NFL history, you might be lugging around a deep seated bias. Let’s see who we replace with and how they do. He also plays through injuries, which is rare. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said: Do you feel that jack campbell is that much better than him and would you take him at 27? I think campbell has the highest floor of the mikes. He can do everything a MLB is supposed to do- but could be better in coverage. I don’t think he’s worth 27….. but I also don’t think anyone likely to be available for us will be worth 27. I don’t want a Mike @ 27 but considering the draft, I get why. I don’t like any of the later round LBs very much. They all seem too small. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: You’re entitled to think of him as overrated, but when you have a top 3 defense by every metric, and he plays every down in a 2 LB set, and he brings down the biggest contract for an ILB in NFL history, you might be lugging around a deep seated bias. Let’s see who we replace with and how they do. He also plays through injuries, which is rare. The defense feast on weak opponents in regular season. How do those metrics look in the playoffs? Have a great day man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: I think campbell has the highest floor of the mikes. He can do everything a MLB is supposed to do- but could be better in coverage. I don’t think he’s worth 27….. but I also don’t think anyone likely to be available for us will be worth 27. I don’t want a Mike @ 27 but considering the draft, I get why. I don’t like any of the later round LBs very much. They all seem too small. I do think there's a chance that Pappoe is cut from the Devin White, Nick Bolton cloth. But I wouldn't trust him going into the draft without a FA vet in place. If we don't have a Mike, I think it has to be Campbell. In that case, you have to hope to trade back. If Beane can work some magic and land Campbell, Bergeron, Tippman and Hutchinson in the first four rounds it would be an amazing draft. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I do think there's a chance that Pappoe is cut from the Devin White, Nick Bolton cloth. But I wouldn't trust him going into the draft without a FA vet in place. If we don't have a Mike, I think it has to be Campbell. In that case, you have to hope to trade back. If Beane can work some magic and land Campbell, Bergeron, Tippman and Hutchinson in the first four rounds it would be an amazing draft. Agreed. Having 4 picks in the first 3 rounds should be our goal- WR, Mike, OL and either DL or TE would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, noacls said: The defense feast on weak opponents in regular season. How do those metrics look in the playoffs? Have a great day man! You don’t need excuses like poor playoff results or a weak schedule or you didn’t like his hairstyle to just not like him. He’s not our problem anymore, but nationally you’re in the vast minority about his talent and value to any defense as exhibited by the monster contract. By the way, everyone sucked in this year’s playoffs, including Josh and the coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 5:55 PM, MrEpsYtown said: I really don’t. i don’t see it. Maybe he develops, but he can’t be the answer next year. I hope I'm wrong but he's probably gonna end being one of Beane's whiffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) I don;t get why people want to trade back and still expect to get Campbell. If he isn't taken in the late first he will be taken in the early second round before whatever pick we traded back into is. The biggest hurdle that was supposed to be the reason he wasn't going to go in the first round was his projected speed / 40 time which he proved isn;t an issue with his 4.65 40. Personally at this point I prefer to just take Campbell or Trenton Simpson in the first at our pick and just be happy we got a good one for years again. Edited March 20, 2023 by dje85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 2:26 PM, Chaos said: I love Jack Campbell. Different type of player. We need to to address offense in rounds 1 and 2. He won't be around in round three. But he his an old school MLB. might be wasted in the McDermott/Frazier full time prevent defense. I haven't seen one mock draft that has Campbell in the 1st round. If there was ever a year to trade down for an extra 2nd, this is it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 8 hours ago, Dr. Who said: I have speculated Simpson because he does seem to match up perfectly with their ideal. Jack Campbell is closer to the Platonic ideal of LB, though. I think when God thinks LB, he thinks Jack Campbell. (I'd be happy with either. Drew Sanders is probably in the conversation, too.) Yes, Sanders definitely needs to be in the conversation! Several online scouting reports make direct comparisons between him and Tremaine Edmunds. He probably has the highest ceiling of all the LB’s in this draft and would be a nice chess piece who can also effectively rush the passer. Campbell, meanwhile, seems to have the highest floor of them all. His scouting reports scream “PROCESS.” If Coach McDermott was a linebacker in his early 20’s, he would be Jack Campbell. Simpson could work as an ILB, too, if the Bills make a few schematic changes to Frazier’s defense. He seems to compare more with Milano in skillset than Edmunds. I don’t know if any of the other LB draft prospects represent much of a physical talent upgrade over Dodson and Bernard. It also doesn’t look like there is a mutual interest between Beane and Bobby Wagner. If the Bills do choose to go with a rookie MLB starter, I would at least prepare Hyde (or Milano or Poyer) to wear the green dot and let the rookie focus on adjusting to the NFL and to McDermott’s defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, noacls said: The defense feast on weak opponents in regular season. How do those metrics look in the playoffs? Have a great day man! This is such a flawed argument We didn’t just play patsies in the regular season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Jack Campbell feels like a lock for the Steelers organization. Would love to make him a Bill though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, noacls said: The defense feast on weak opponents in regular season. How do those metrics look in the playoffs? Have a great day man! How do they look vs KC and Cincy you mean? There was one time I checked KCs offensive stats in the playoffs and they averaged over 30 ppg. You pretty much have to out score them or hope they have an off game. The Bengals game sucked, it’s a game where no one showed up. Defense needed help from the offense and the offense needed help from the defense. Neither got help. Edited March 21, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Jack Campbell feels like a lock for the Steelers organization. Would love to make him a Bill though. I don’t think they take him in the first, but he won’t get by them in the second. They are going to take Joey Porter imo, if he’s there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 20 hours ago, Motorin' said: I do think there's a chance that Pappoe is cut from the Devin White, Nick Bolton cloth. But I wouldn't trust him going into the draft without a FA vet in place. If we don't have a Mike, I think it has to be Campbell. In that case, you have to hope to trade back. If Beane can work some magic and land Campbell, Bergeron, Tippman and Hutchinson in the first four rounds it would be an amazing draft. It would not surprise me at all if the Steelers took him at 20. They can get quality OLine in the 2nd. Hell, they took Pickett at 20. We'll be lucky if Campbell makes it to 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 5:03 PM, Warriorspikes51 said: Honestly someone please….WHY did we draft Bernard? The guy is tweener that fits no where. A 6th round pick whatever…but a 3rd?! Ugh. Cause the history of Carolina, McD and Beane they have always liked those types of guys. Thomas Davis Carolina was a converted Safety, undersized guy the beefed up to fill the role, Same with Milano, converted Safety type guy. Bernard is in that role…… I’m with you, there are LBs that are freak athletes that stack up better than hopes of converting your larger Safety/Undersized LB type players to play in the box in the NFL. Then on top of that the Bills run Nickel 80% of the time….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Cause the history of Carolina, McD and Beane they have always liked those types of guys. Thomas Davis Carolina was a converted Safety, undersized guy the beefed up to fill the role, Same with Milano, converted Safety type guy. Bernard is in that role…… I’m with you, there are LBs that are freak athletes that stack up better than hopes of converting your larger Safety/Undersized LB type players to play in the box in the NFL. Then on top of that the Bills run Nickel 80% of the time….. Owen Pappoe is in that freak athlete category. At 6'1", 225, he'll have to put on 10 pounds to play Mike. But a 4.39 40 and 29 reps of 225 make him faster and stronger than Devin White. I haven't taken the close look that he deserves, but I'm very curious about this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 45 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I don’t think they take him in the first, but he won’t get by them in the second. They are going to take Joey Porter imo, if he’s there. Yeah, they have the 32nd pick from the Bears and then 49 I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) On 2/17/2023 at 4:26 PM, Chaos said: I love Jack Campbell. Different type of player. We need to to address offense in rounds 1 and 2. He won't be around in round three. But he his an old school MLB. might be wasted in the McDermott/Frazier full time prevent defense. Don't know much about him but from what is on here I'm in !! Make it so number 1 . Edited March 21, 2023 by T master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snappysnackcakes Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I just want the MLB with the best INSTINCTS in this class. After watching TE for 5 years, a guy with lousy instincts, I’m ready to just see someone who can fill the right gaps. And not get looked off underneath. Please, God, make it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Bernard is likely the answer. Beane is not a dummy. He used a third round pick on him last year knowing full well there was a very real chance Edmunds would walk the following year, leaving a gaping hole at the position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 5:26 PM, Chaos said: I love Jack Campbell. Different type of player. We need to to address offense in rounds 1 and 2. He won't be around in round three. But he his an old school MLB. might be wasted in the McDermott/Frazier full time prevent defense. Didnt find him on the wrestling roster...Pass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) Anthony Walker and Denzel Perryman signed. So that really leaves just Wagner as a FA. Edited March 22, 2023 by MrEpsYtown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bernard is likely the answer. Beane is not a dummy. He used a third round pick on him last year knowing full well there was a very real chance Edmunds would walk the following year, leaving a gaping hole at the position. Looking at his game log for Baylor over 4 years isn’t that inspiring. 3 INTs and 0 FF over 42 games. 55% of his tackles were on his own. Sounds, like Edmunds. The only difference I’m seeing is he was pretty decent and pressuring and getting to the QB. With minimal splash plays against mediocre teams led me to wonder how he became a top #90 pick. Hope it works out for Bernard and the Bills but I’m not convinced and if they go LB first 2 days again… Neither is the FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Anthony Walker and Denzel Perryman signed. So that really leaves just Wagner as a FA. Myles Jack is interesting. Cheaper alternative to Wagner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, BBFL said: Myles Jack is interesting. Cheaper alternative to Wagner. Jack would probably be a 2/12 guy and Wagner a 2/14 guy. We'd have to restructure more contracts. I have no faith in Bernard or Dodson filling Tremaine's position. And that leaves drafting Sanders or Campbell in the 2nd round? Those are the remaining options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Jack would probably be a 2/12 guy and Wagner a 2/14 guy. We'd have to restructure more contracts. I have no faith in Bernard or Dodson filling Tremaine's position. And that leaves drafting Sanders or Campbell in the 2nd round? Those are the remaining options. No way Jack makes more than the $3.2m from last year… Draft or one of the remaining carcasses is it then 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: No way Jack makes more than the $3.2m from last year… Draft or one of the remaining carcasses is it then 😂 As the clock ticks the price will go down on both of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, BBFL said: Myles Jack is interesting. Cheaper alternative to Wagner. Yep forgot him thanks. I like him. Interesting, still young, athletic. Not sure what went wrong in Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Sanders or Cambell are the only one's I'd draft. And I'd still do what I could to bring Wagner in, even if it's for a year while the rookies get up to speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 Several Websites seem to like Nick Herbig's Athleticism and think he could succeed in the NFL as an off-ball linebacker. Any opinions on Herbig? https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-herbig/32004845-5204-2107-989b-b9a0ebf10845 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: Several Websites seem to like Nick Herbig's Athleticism and think he could succeed in the NFL as an off-ball linebacker. Any opinions on Herbig? https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-herbig/32004845-5204-2107-989b-b9a0ebf10845 Herbig is the classic small white guy, high motor edge player. He’s a really nice player. He’s a projection though, like a poor mans Drew Sanders, with way less length and upside. He lacks length, but he can play. I’m not sure I would take him before the third, but I wouldn’t bet against him either. In terms of a fit in our defense? I don’t think it’s there honestly. But I could see him carve out a Kaden Ellis like career. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 16 minutes ago, Chaos said: Several Websites seem to like Nick Herbig's Athleticism and think he could succeed in the NFL as an off-ball linebacker. Any opinions on Herbig? https://www.nfl.com/prospects/nick-herbig/32004845-5204-2107-989b-b9a0ebf10845 I have only seen him in coverage a few times, most of the time he is rushing the passer from the edge. Probably would take a lot of training to get him to an off ball player. I think if you are looking for guys that maybe could learn to be good off ball players, Yasir Abdullah has the most potential. I’ll link to my post in a previous thread below. He was a big time edge rusher but was played off ball and in space a good amount and did well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Bored at work so: Or I have a feeling Sanders is going to blow up that pro day today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Bored at work so: Or I have a feeling Sanders is going to blow up that pro day today. I think Sanders has the highest upside. Bills should be in on him or Simpson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 On 3/22/2023 at 3:28 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Yep forgot him thanks. I like him. Interesting, still young, athletic. Not sure what went wrong in Pittsburgh. He can't pass cover worth beans is the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think Sanders has the highest upside. Bills should be in on him or Simpson. They both seem to have McD traits and tons of upside and athletic ability. I love Jack too. I'll take any of the three. Sanders is also just 21 in December, so there is definitely some growth potential there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Drew Sanders would be an excellent addition to this team, I would imagine that McDermott sees him as another Kuechly because of his range, demeanor and reliability. I wouldn't completely disqualify the Bills trading up into the early part of the second round to land an OT prospect as well, I think having that extra third round comp pick next year gives them a bit of leverage to trade up if there's a guy they really covet this year to provide competition to Spencer Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 On 3/22/2023 at 12:47 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bernard is likely the answer. Beane is not a dummy. He used a third round pick on him last year knowing full well there was a very real chance Edmunds would walk the following year, leaving a gaping hole at the position. That would truly be sad. Guy is 6 ft 224. That's like playing Coy Wire at MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 If there's a Luke Keuchly type LB available at #27 and that remains the biggest hole on the team, I expect them to reach a little for one of the three LBs. I wouldn't have a problem with it though I'm still on the protect Josh train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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