Mr. WEO Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: In his defense, he was throwing to guys the Bills cut and the Bills have some of the worst WR depth in the league. Oh please, I suppose you still think the Bills should have give Reich the reigns over Kelly too. that makes no sense at all as a response to my post. None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 At the begining of the season I was actually thinking that Dabol might tag and trade Jones to the highest bidder. He's done enough this year to show promise but do the Giants (Dabol) want to get rid of him and pick their guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, Hermes said: At the begining of the season I was actually thinking that Dabol might tag and trade Jones to the highest bidder. He's done enough this year to show promise but do the Giants (Dabol) want to get rid of him and pick their guy? Tag him? No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 53 minutes ago, Doc said: Tag him? No chance. Genuinely curious, why not? Cap space, tagging Saquon? If there's some interest from multiple teams wouldn't that be the way to go, especially if you're on the fence about re-signing him. It gives you imo more options on how to proceed with him but it does limit the team in terms of financials and possibly creates bad blood between him and the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) On 2/1/2023 at 2:44 PM, Mr. WEO said: He was mediocre as a passing QB: 3200 (25th), 15 (tied 21) 6.8 YPA (tied 23). He's in the range of Jimmy G, Mariota and Tannehill----and this is his best season since rookie. How much will a team pay for that? If the Giants don't sing him, that brings his value down, I think. He is most valuable to them in that system. But if Barkley goes, they are sunk with Jones at QB. His game against the Vikings may have put him in a position to Rob Johnson either the Giants or some other unsuspecting team. Or ithat game could have been a sign of things to come, that was interrupted by a team with 70 sacks this regular season. Time will tell. Edited February 4, 2023 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 48 minutes ago, Hermes said: Genuinely curious, why not? Cap space, tagging Saquon? If there's some interest from multiple teams wouldn't that be the way to go, especially if you're on the fence about re-signing him. It gives you imo more options on how to proceed with him but it does limit the team in terms of financials and possibly creates bad blood between him and the Giants. There might be interest from other teams in signing him to a reasonable FA contract, but with the starting point $32M (for the franchise tag) and a 1st rounder, it's a non-starter. Jones would be wise to test the market and the Giants let him do so, telling him to give them the right to match any offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 10:30 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: On Sirius today…there are reportedly multiple teams ready to pay Daniel Jones at least 45 million a year should he hit the open market. I can just imagine Joe, Justin, Lamar, and Trevor saying after 1 decent year he’s going to get what? We get on Brandon Beane about things but man signing Josh early is proving to be one of the best things he’s done. The QB market was set to go crazy once Watson signed his deal. People thinking that contract is going to be treated like an “outlier” are crazy. That deal is going to be the standard and Burrow and Lamar’s contracts are will come close to that number, if not exceed it. Beane deserves credit for locking up Josh after 3, when you could argue that the more pragmatic move might be to wait another season to make sure his breakout year wasn’t a fluke. It saved them a lot of money in the process. Of course as the contracts are getting bigger, at some point Allen and Mahomes are going to want a new deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: The QB market was set to go crazy once Watson signed his deal. People thinking that contract is going to be treated like an “outlier” are crazy. That deal is going to be the standard and Burrow and Lamar’s contracts are will come close to that number, if not exceed it. Beane deserves credit for locking up Josh after 3, when you could argue that the more pragmatic move might be to wait another season to make sure his breakout year wasn’t a fluke. It saved them a lot of money in the process. Of course as the contracts are getting bigger, at some point Allen and Mahomes are going to want a new deal. L.Jackson is not getting that number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Just now, Chaos said: L.Jackson is not getting that number. Maybe not from Baltimore, but one of the QB needy teams will give it to him 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, Doc said: There might be interest from other teams in signing him to a reasonable FA contract, but with the starting point $32M (for the franchise tag) and a 1st rounder, it's a non-starter. Jones would be wise to test the market and the Giants let him do so, telling him to give them the right to match any offer. The first is definitely a tough sell for any team but they'd give it up with the intent to sign a long term deal and wouldn't have to use that pick for an impact player this year, since they added Jones to the roster. The biggest downside I can see would be Jones getting salty and then having a Kirk Cousins situation. Fingers crossed it happens and he ends up with the Jets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 21 hours ago, Chaos said: His game against the Vikings may have put him in a position to Rob Johnson either the Giants or some other unsuspecting team. Or ithat game could have been a sign of things to come, that was interrupted by a team with 70 sacks this regular season. Time will tell. The only human in history who could be Rob Johnson'd ('he's like a Monet!!") is long dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) On 1/31/2023 at 11:32 PM, Big Turk said: Even with Daboll he wasn't that great. No one will argue he is some top 5 stud, agreed. But the big knock on Jones was turnovers. He was a turnover machine most of the time before Daboll (sound familiar?) Last year Jones had a 67% completion rate, 3:1 TD to INT ratio (15 to 5), had 4th Q comebacks, and 5 game winning drives. (87.7 rate) The weapons on the Giants stunk. Before and during the season Evan Engram (TE) was gone and Kadarious Toney got dealt to KC (where he started flashing his ability). Jones also showed an excellent ability to be a dual threat QB. Does anyone realize Jones ran for 708 yards and 7 TD!?!? (5.9 Average) Wow. To put that in perspective Allen had 762/ 7TD / 6.1 Avg. DJ had 6 fumbles/ JA had 13 (includes lost and recovered) Jones is clearly the product of good coaching (Dabs and Kafka), but he took to it, and had some pretty crappy coaching before. He will look better and the offense will open up in a second year of install, and once they get some weapons there. Not sure Richie James and Darius Slayton is much of an improvement over Zay Jones and Robert Foster. Edited February 5, 2023 by RocCityRoller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/1/2023 at 12:59 AM, I am the egg man said: Sports analogy gold! Great value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: No one will argue he is some top 5 stud, agreed. But the big knock on Jones was turnovers. He was a turnover machine most of the time before Daboll (sound familiar?) Last year Jones had a 67% completion rate, 3:1 TD to INT ratio (15 to 5), had 4th Q comebacks, and 5 game winning drives. (87.7 rate) The weapons on the Giants stunk. Before and during the season Evan Engram (TE) was gone and Kadarious Toney got dealt to KC (where he started flashing his ability). Jones also showed an excellent ability to be a dual threat QB. Does anyone realize Jones ran for 708 yards and 7 TD!?!? (5.9 Average) Wow. To put that in perspective Allen had 762/ 7TD / 6.1 Avg. DJ had 6 fumbles/ JA had 13 (includes lost and recovered) Jones is clearly the product of good coaching (Dabs and Kafka), but he took to it, and had some pretty crappy coaching before. He will look better and the offense will open up in a second year of install, and once they get some weapons there. Not sure Richie James and Darius Slayton is much of an improvement over Zay Jones and Robert Foster. Jones is a QB that can get you to the playoffs some years but will never get you much further than that. Basically you are hamstringing yourself at the QB position and preventing yourself from potentially getting better at it. Jones has a ceiling similar to Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, aka not high enough if you are hoping to compete for championships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 17, 2023 Author Share Posted February 17, 2023 Look like Sirius was right he’s about to get paid and this will more then likely be a deal in the 40s when all is said and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Man, QBs are expensive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 Like I said he is about to be a very very wealthy man and will be making more then Allen now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 10:10 PM, 78thealltimegreat said: Look like Sirius was right he’s about to get paid and this will more then likely be a deal in the 40s when all is said and done Still hope an AFC team gives him that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Like I said he is about to be a very very wealthy man and will be making more then Allen now This dude is delusional. Allen's deal is looking like grand theft Beane more and more. Edited February 20, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Most folks disagreed when I posted that there needs to be a salary cap carve-out for QB's but here's more proof. Mind-numbing deals ($40 million for Daniel Jones?) shows that the system is totally out of whack. It's brutally unfair to RB's on top of other things, especially first round picks where the club retains a fifth year option. Look at Barkley. Franchise him for $10 million? No brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Most folks disagreed when I posted that there needs to be a salary cap carve-out for QB's but here's more proof. Mind-numbing deals ($40 million for Daniel Jones?) shows that the system is totally out of whack. It's brutally unfair to RB's on top of other things, especially first round picks where the club retains a fifth year option. Look at Barkley. Franchise him for $10 million? No brainer. How is a salary cap for QBs supposed to be implemented. Does each team get say $50 million in total for the QB position? So Allen would get $45 and 3 other QBs would split the $5. It would never work, the NFLPA would never agree to it, cant limit the $ for one specific position. The league ebbs and flows and right now QBs are ridiculously important, the league wil evolve and change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Big Turk said: This dude is delusional. Allen's deal is looking like grand theft Beane more and more. Allen signed a market deal at the time. It wasn't grand theft. All contracts will go up and Allen will get bigger money in his next restructured deal in a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 2/4/2023 at 12:21 PM, Chaos said: L.Jackson is not getting that number. Sure he will, easy call. There are enough desperate teams "one QB away". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: How is a salary cap for QBs supposed to be implemented. Does each team get say $50 million in total for the QB position? So Allen would get $45 and 3 other QBs would split the $5. It would never work, the NFLPA would never agree to it, cant limit the $ for one specific position. The league ebbs and flows and right now QBs are ridiculously important, the league wil evolve and change. I think the NFLPA would definitely be on board with this. Would automatically mean more money for all non-QB positions. That said, this would still go against the reason of having the cap. More money spent on other positions would disrupt parity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Getting paid more than Josh. SMH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 The reaction after hearing this from the Bengals, Chargers, Ravens, Eagles, and Jaguars front offices 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, Doc said: Getting paid more than Josh. SMH. A lot of QBs will be paid more than Allen in next 2 years. Then when Allen gets restructured he'll make more. This happens all the time with contracts. The salary cap goes up so do contracts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, nucci said: A lot of QBs will be paid more than Allen in next 2 years. Then when Allen gets restructured he'll make more. This happens all the time with contracts. The salary cap goes up so do contracts I know. I was taking about just Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Like I said he is about to be a very very wealthy man and will be making more then Allen now He's fumbling the ball now. Take the 35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 11:30 PM, Big Turk said: Yeah right. There are zero teams that are going to pay Jones that amount of money. Unless there is a bunch of funky accounting going on where he makes like $25-30 million the first few years and the number balloons to make the average come out to that but both sides know he is never seeing that money. He had one real nice game in the playoffs against a weak Vikings defense. And crashed down to earth the following weak in the Divisional playoff game against the Eagles. He could be real good going forward. But he could also crash and burn, and turn into Carson Wentz. You just never know with QB's. Who is better he or Derrick Carr is the big question. I am not sure I would want either of them as my starter. But I would lean towards Jones. More mobility. And any QB who is going to break down and cry in a press conference after a game, that's not who I want leading my guys into battle every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I think it would be a mistake to give up on Brown (and don't think they will). He wasn't considered "pro ready" when drafted, and was always more in the developmental category. The injury last year didn't help. It would be rough to end up in the same situation that we are seeing w/ Teller - where we let a good one that we drafted get away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Salary caps for individual players work in the NBA. They call it a "max contract". So LeBron can sign a max contract but not a penny more. The NFL needs to do something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: The reaction after hearing this from the Bengals, Chargers, Ravens, Eagles, and Jaguars front offices Moments later........in private 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He's not getting 40 million per year, let alone 45 - 0% chance that he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 i just can't see there being a huge market for him if the giants let him go. over 40, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 Ok this is an insane amount of money for at best top 12-15 QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Is Brad Spielberger his agent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 21, 2023 Author Share Posted February 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, Doc said: Is Brad Spielberger his agent? I don’t know he does work for PFF and overthecap and he probably should be if Jones gets that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 If he gets that kind of money, it's going to open up talks of capping contracts. This dude is a scrub, he'll keep you in 7-10/9-8 purgatory for the length of the deal. Would have to be one of those bogus contracts without many guarantees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 well, i root for any team that is not the buffalo bills to make bad decisions. show that man the money! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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