Just Jack Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Too many injuries on the grass it seems... Why the Titans Are Switching to Turf at Nissan Stadium Starting in 2023 (tennesseetitans.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 What will their dome have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted February 1, 2023 Author Share Posted February 1, 2023 23 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: What will their dome have? I cannot find anything stating what it will be, but to my untrained eye, looking at the renderings, I'd say turf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 The Bills have stated they’re going to install natural grass in their new stadium. Just asking here…. If the field is heated, is growing and maintaining a quality field throughout the season a realistic expectation? And if that can be done, why wouldn’t the Titans just heat their place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, f0neguy said: The Bills have stated they’re going to install natural grass in their new stadium. Just asking here…. If the field is heated, is growing and maintaining a quality field throughout the season a realistic expectation? And if that can be done, why wouldn’t the Titans just heat their place? Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: He's just mad because he used to make $8 an hour to cut it. 🙁 8 hours ago, Just Jack said: Too many injuries on the grass it seems... Why the Titans Are Switching to Turf at Nissan Stadium Starting in 2023 (tennesseetitans.com) "This is the game of football...injuries are part of it. It's a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play, except in a ball pit like they have at McDonalds." D. Whaley, circa 2023. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 If they can’t keep nice grass in Tennessee into Nov.-Dec., I just question the logic / intelligence of this Bills stadium planning. Nice concept to play on grass. But the reality will kick us in the face in the first season of it. It’s not enough to keep a field warm to get grass to grow and be a stable playing surface. In the north, grass stops taking in nutrients in mid-October and starts to go into a dormant state. If you’re going to try to fool Mother Nature, it needs a lot of light, the right amount of water & nutrients, and sometimes it’s more art than science… and sometimes despite everything you do, it goes breasts-up and you’ll have to cart in replacement sod for one or two games (that in one year just for it, will cost 1/4 of what a monofilament turf would) like they do in GB and Pitt many times, and then it’s still unstable footing, sod coming up in clumps, and guys getting knees and ankles trashed. Prediction: we invest in all of the costs for grass, try it for two years and then have to switch to artificial turf due to feasibility & cost issues as well as pressure from the league & NFLPA. Again… if they can’t grow decent enough grass in Tennessee below the Mason-Dixon, what freaking hope is there in Buffalo? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlton Bills Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, UConn James said: If they can’t keep nice grass in Tennessee into Nov.-Dec., I just question the logic / intelligence of this Bills stadium planning. Nice concept to play on grass. But the reality will kick us in the face in the first season of it. It’s not enough to keep a field warm to get grass to grow and be a stable playing surface. In the north, grass stops taking in nutrients in mid-October and starts to go into a dormant state. If you’re going to try to fool Mother Nature, it needs a lot of light, the right amount of water & nutrients, and sometimes it’s more art than science… and sometimes despite everything you do, it goes breasts-up and you’ll have to cart in replacement sod for one or two games (that in one year just for it, will cost 1/4 of what a monofilament turf would) like they do in GB and Pitt many times, and then it’s still unstable footing, sod coming up in clumps, and guys getting knees and ankles trashed. Prediction: we invest in all of the costs for grass, try it for two years and then have to switch to artificial turf due to feasibility & cost issues as well as pressure from the league & NFLPA. Again… if they can’t grow decent enough grass in Tennessee below the Mason-Dixon, what freaking hope is there in Buffalo? That’s good knowledge…Carl Spackler? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, UConn James said: Prediction: we invest in all of the costs for grass, try it for two years and then have to switch to artificial turf due to feasibility & cost issues as well as pressure from the league & NFLPA. Again… if they can’t grow decent enough grass in Tennessee below the Mason-Dixon, what freaking hope is there in Buffalo? Most of you see this as a subterfuge 'Build A Dome Here!' post. The wise board members will recognize it as a 'Dump Edmunds!' post. 😁 Edited February 1, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 hours ago, Beck Water said: The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. I disagree... we have an OC who doesn't game plan well for conditions against great teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. My feelings exactly. The Bills were actually at a disadvantage in the snow vs. the Bengals. Home field advantage was turned into a disadvantage. I said at the beginning of the game to my company that the snow would hurt the Bills and it did. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: My feelings exactly. The Bills were actually at a disadvantage in the snow vs. the Bengals. Home field advantage was turned into a disadvantage. I said at the beginning of the game to my company that the snow would hurt the Bills and it did. agreed. Bills are a lightweight, speed and quicks team up and down the lineup, which works for me, but doesn't really work to their advantage in WNY past Thanksgiving. Just doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, UConn James said: If they can’t keep nice grass in Tennessee into Nov.-Dec., I just question the logic / intelligence of this Bills stadium planning. Nice concept to play on grass. But the reality will kick us in the face in the first season of it. It’s not enough to keep a field warm to get grass to grow and be a stable playing surface. In the north, grass stops taking in nutrients in mid-October and starts to go into a dormant state. If you’re going to try to fool Mother Nature, it needs a lot of light, the right amount of water & nutrients, and sometimes it’s more art than science… and sometimes despite everything you do, it goes breasts-up and you’ll have to cart in replacement sod for one or two games (that in one year just for it, will cost 1/4 of what a monofilament turf would) like they do in GB and Pitt many times, and then it’s still unstable footing, sod coming up in clumps, and guys getting knees and ankles trashed. Prediction: we invest in all of the costs for grass, try it for two years and then have to switch to artificial turf due to feasibility & cost issues as well as pressure from the league & NFLPA. Again… if they can’t grow decent enough grass in Tennessee below the Mason-Dixon, what freaking hope is there in Buffalo? The Bills can just install about 100,000 of these. https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Adjustable-Color＆Stepless-Brightness-Timer＆Memory/dp/B07XXNGC19/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=R6BLUXY8QC15&keywords=therapy+lights+for+seasonal+affective+disorder&qid=1675260840&sprefix=therapy+light%2Caps%2C778&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&smid=A30JEXJ8AO7SYB&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFZRjIzUUVRM0w4UUYmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAyMjU4OTkzUlFHMFdBQ1VGNlk3JmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTEwMzA5NTUxN1lDNTA4U05FVkkxJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== Someone get Thurman on the phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I've heard all the reasons why grass is possible in OP. What I haven't heard is how they will clear feet of snow off an unfrozen grass field without turning it into a tractor pull arena. The reality of OP compared to say Green Bay is that is frequently snows harder than any snow melting system can keep up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I heard this on the radio yesterday because they said it is much harder to keep the field in good condition & the turf is much more resilient given the weather conditions here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Chicago's grass is garbage and is a reason for turf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 NFLPA right now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. How many current Bills will still be in Buffalo, or the NFL, by the time this new stadium opens? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Most of you see this as a subterfuge 'Build A Dome Here!' post. The wise board members will recognize it as a 'Dump Edmunds!' post. 😁 Get with the program. We've moved on from Edmunds, now it's Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. What speed are talking about? I don’t see much of it on this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Get with the program. We've moved on from Edmunds, now it's Oliver. That's what they want you to think...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I've seen numerous comments saying that the design of the new stadium will greatly minimize wind and weather, so maybe it won't be imossible to maintain? Seems like wishful thinking though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Commentary on playing surfaces has gone downhill since Tug McGraw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 14 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. to be fair, building your stadium based on 2022 roster composition is silly too, with probably 70% roster turnover between now and the first game yet alone the next several decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: to be fair, building your stadium based on 2022 roster composition is silly too, with probably 70% roster turnover between now and the first game yet alone the next several decades That's a fair point Counterpoint: NFL rule changes have favored the passing game (thus more of a finesse game for the supporting cast) for more than a decade now Do you see that changing? 2 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said: I've seen numerous comments saying that the design of the new stadium will greatly minimize wind and weather, so maybe it won't be imossible to maintain? Seems like wishful thinking though. I'd have to consult the Plant Science types in the family, but my understanding is that grass becomes dormant as the days become shorter. So it's not just keeping the ground warm, it would be necessary to provide artificial light. IDK, maybe they're "on it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) Will the Bills new stadium have this new, "cutting edge" turf I wonder? Heard they are trying to go with natural grass, which is a mistake, IMO. Games like the one against Cincy, where it's just above freezing and there was wet snow/slushy conditions on the field, will turn it into a muddy mess, not to mention the obvious in rain. I Edited February 1, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 16 hours ago, Beck Water said: Yeah, I think the Bills stadium plans are a boondoggle in several regards. One of them is installing natural grass. They really need to talk to the folks in Tennessee. The big one of course, IMO, is not having a dome. Yeah, yeah, expense blah blah but at present, our team simply isn't built to play in snow and wind. We have finesse players who depend upon agility and speed, not big hawg mollies who bowl you over. Bad Buffalo weather is now officially a disadvantage for our roster. I screamed for a dome but the adorable old timers just had to have their outdoor experience. When the wind is 40 or we're slipping around in 2 inches of snow, let me know how that works out mensas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Bad Buffalo weather is now officially a disadvantage for our roster. I screamed for a dome but the adorable old timers just had to have their outdoor experience. When the wind is 40 or we're slipping around in 2 inches of snow, let me know how that works out mensas. Bills nostalgia causes many people to not stay focused on the present and the team we actually have. This all stems from the 90s Bills with Kelly and Co., back when we actually had an O-line and a running game that other teams feared. Edited February 1, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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