Mango Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: With restructuring alone. Verbiage here is confusing. Total possible cap space does not equal amount of cap space we would have. Freeing up either $44M or $56M only actually gives us $22M or $34M in spendable cap dollars on draft picks and FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Beane is an absolute legend with contracts. Pretty much most GMs are. What he’s doing isn’t something revolutionary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 For 2023 12 players account for about 3/4 of the cap. Josh Allen $39,772,281 - 17.56% Stefon Diggs $20,271,111 - 8.95% Von Miller 18,615,000 - 8.22% Tre'Davious White $16,223,147 - 7.16% Dion Dawkins $14,824,870 - 6.55% Matt Milano $13,338,588 - 5.89% Mitch Morse $11,160,000 - 4.93% Ed OliverDT $10,753,000 - 4.75% Micah Hyde $10,571,294 - 4.67% Taron Johnson $9,215,000 - 4.07% DaQuan Jones $8,583,333 - 3.79% Dawson Knox $6,425,000 - 2.84% That doesn't leave much for the other 43 players on the 53 man roster. They'll need to restructure a few deals to create some space but I don't see how they re-sign Poyer and any deal with Edmunds is going to be too expensive. Signing other big time free agents looks like a dream. Scoring an "A" in the draft is going to be required along with signing budget free agents and college free agents on rookie deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Von miller contract looking like such bad value atm. Man I hope he can get right before thanksgiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Beane is an absolute legend with contracts. Is that why they're 21M over the cap 4 years after finally clearing, according to their view, the dead cap from the previous regime? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, cle23 said: Which "quality" O line are you signing for $3M each? Rookies you can get less than that, but you aren't signing a quality veteran for $3M. The 28th highest paid veteran guard is the 1st to go under $4M per year, and none of them are starters. Not average salaries. Cap space. First year cap hits last year were around $3-4 million or less for most of the OGs signed. So I wouldn’t expect a top OG but you can get a couple starting quality OGs. A guy that signed last year many wanted, Austin Corbett had a first year cap hit of $3.1 million. Actually less than Saffold’s cap hit. Edited January 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) We have a lot of holes to fill on this team, but if done right through the Draft, much of it can be done. The first thing we need to do is identify our "Justin Jefferson" / "AJ Brown" / "Davante Adams", etc and get them at #27. There are a lot of WRs in this and every class with talent and preferably we find someone with some speed. Obviously a combination of size and speed would be great, but at the end of the round, you have to do your research and make sure you get it right. There are plenty of star WRs in this league that have been drafted in the bottom of Round 1 or even in Round 2. Find one and draft him. From there, luckily Guards are not considered a premium position and many of the best ones in drafts don't even come off the board until the 2nd and 3rd rounds anyway. So, get a couple of them in that area. Getting a couple of Guards that play physical with some nastiness to them would go a long way towards improving this line. Fixing the RT position will be tough to do in the draft because of all the other needs, but based on Beane's comments, I am not sure they view that as quite a necessity as many of us perceive it to be. We can't fix everything, but if you can get a quality LG in the draft and put him in between Dawkins and Morse, I think you will start to see those guys immediately start to play better as well. Our "Pro Bowler" Saffold was so bad most of the time, I think those guys suffered a bit trying to make up for his errors. And while I don't think Brown is great, I think the same thing can be said if we can put a true road grader in at RG as well. Eventually, Bates might be able to take over for Morse at C whether it be this year or next. So, while not perfect by any means, getting a true #2 and a couple of quality lineman in the first 4 rounds is imperative. Then, it us up to Beane to find some nastiness up front on the defensive line. Right now, we have a bunch of athletes, but none of them have that edge to them that I want my DTs to have. Jones was very good for us this season and we really missed him against the Bengals. But we need someone else in there that brings that nasty fight on the inside. Absolutely nailing the draft takes a lot of burden off of the lack of cap space. There are plenty of things that can be done with current contracts to create space, but it is time to start seeing some major impact from drafted players instead of just getting contributions. We need to draft some stars instead of just role players. Edited January 30, 2023 by sven233 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s right in the neighborhood. Doesn’t change much, good or bad. We’re in position to create $40+ million in space with restructuring contracts. More with cuts. That doesnt leave a lot of money to replace or resign 24 FA's this off season. I've been saying that for weeks though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Say we free up the $45M through restructures, which gives us another ~$22M this year. What does that do to next year? How much of that gets pushed to one year vs two, three years etc. down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I'm not an expert on this at all...but at some point won't all the restructuring/backloading eventually put us in a really tough spot with the cap? Like is this sustainable or is it just kicking the can down the road? Yes, it just kicks the can down the road. For someone like Josh it probably wont matter much but looking at someone like Von is a different story. Von can currently be cut in 2025 and not be much concern. This is good if he comes back not himself or declines because of age and injuries. Restructuring him pushes bigger cap hits down the road. So if they restructure him, which it looks like they have to... we are probably stuck with him for most of his contract regardless of his play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) I’m also no expert on this stuff but I said it then and I’ll say it again here, the Von Miller acquisition is going to prove to be a disaster. Swung for the fences and whiffed terribly. Edited January 30, 2023 by SoCal Deek 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Von miller contract looking like such bad value atm. Man I hope he can get right before thanksgiving. This has bad contract written all over it. The good news is if we don’t restructure, there is an out after 2025. High-priced FAs rarely make a huge impact on teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Being a GM of an NFL Franchise looks like a lot of fun but there is SO much that goes into it. Not only are you a Coaching and Player talent evaluator but you are also one hell of an accountant, a negotiator and a draft board wizard. I would love to be in charge of a draft but honestly the rest of it is for the birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m also no expert on this stuff but I said it then and I’ll say it again here, the Von Miller acquisition is going to prove to be a disaster. Swung for the fences and whiffed terribly. Only because of his ACL which falls under stuff happens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m also no expert on this stuff but I said it then and I’ll say it again here, the Von Miller acquisition is going to prove to be a disaster. Swung for the fences and whiffed terribly. Already is a disaster. Hopefully he returns and can impact the next 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yep.........time for Beane and his hallowed scouting department to earn the hype. Bring in Mel Kiper to run the draft---oh wait ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, dhgold said: I don't understand why people want to get rid of Morse. It seems like he's one of only two effective players on the Bills most problematic unit. I wouldn't be surprised if Multiple Concussion Man retires for his own health. I know I would. 36 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Only because of his ACL which falls under stuff happens. Yeah. If he was in the Cincinnati game, the Bills win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Only because of his ACL which falls under stuff happens. Von healthy how do we score more than 10 points? I think we still lose and then its even more painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m also no expert on this stuff but I said it then and I’ll say it again here, the Von Miller acquisition is going to prove to be a disaster. Swung for the fences and whiffed terribly. That's easy to say after he suffers a season ending injury. Before he got hurt, he's exactly the piece of the defense we've been missing and he made everyone on the line better because he demanded more attention. We probably don't win the regular season game in KC without the plays he made there. Harrassed Mahomes all game, had 2 sacks, 2 TFL, and created the pressure that caused the game ending INT. Edited January 30, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think they save about $6 million in cap space. You can sign 2 quality interior OL for that cap hit. Bates alone costs close to $5M/year. I’m skeptical that we can find two quality interior OL for $3M/year each. I agree that we need to fix the OL, but I don’t think saving money by releasing Morse is the way to do it. Restructuring contracts elsewhere to possibly bring in a decent FA, and then the draft, is how I see it. LT - Dawkins LG - Bates C - Morse RG - FA/Draftee RT - Brown/Draftee Still not a solid starting front, but a successful draft is our best chance of improving this group longer term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) The Bills will lose pace on re-signing their own and adding FA the next two offseasons. KC and CIN are in better cap shape now and have $100M+ for 2024. Buffalo has to wait until 2025. The only playoff teams in the red are JAX- which is wild considering they’re not great and don’t pay their QB. TB- About to enter a total rebuild and an old roster. MIN- Who everybody considered paper tigers. MIA- Good team, but Tua. I am less concerned with our cap number in relation to break even. I am concerned with our ability to spend compared to the teams we are competing with at the top of the conference. Edited January 30, 2023 by Mango Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mango said: The Bills will lose pace on re-signing their own and adding FA the next two offseasons. KC and CIN are in better cap shape now and have $100M+ for 2024. Buffalo has to wait until 2025. The only playoff teams in the red are JAX- which is wild considering they’re not great and don’t pay their QB. TB- About to enter a total rebuild and an old roster. MIN- Who everybody considered paper tigers. MIA- Good team, but Tua. I am less concerned with our cap number in relation to break even. I am concerned with our ability to spend compared to the teams we are competing with at the top of the conference. Cincy can't get too crazy since they are staring down having to pay Burrow $45M to $50M a year starting in 2025 as well as Ja'Marr Chase coming off his rookie contract the same time. They can't really afford to take on many huge multi-year contracts, but could do some bigger 1 or 2-year deals if needed. The Chiefs are looking at having to pay Jones $20M for 2023 at a $28M cap hit. But you're correct, they are sitting better than we are. Edited January 30, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Cincy can't get too crazy since they are staring down having to pay Burrow $45M to $50M a year starting in 2025 as well as Ja'Marr Chase coming off his rookie contract the same time. They can't really afford to take on many huge multi-year contracts, but could do some bigger 1 or 2-year deals if needed. The Chiefs are looking at having to pay Jones $20M for 2023 at a $28M cap hit. But you're correct, they are sitting better than we are. I agree in CIN. They’re in an even tougher spot given the cash issues with ownership. KC can borrow for next year without much risk. By comparison it’s not so much kicking the can down the road like it is in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mango said: The Bills will lose pace on re-signing their own and adding FA the next two offseasons. KC and CIN are in better cap shape now and have $100M+ for 2024. Buffalo has to wait until 2025. The only playoff teams in the red are JAX- which is wild considering they’re not great and don’t pay their QB. TB- About to enter a total rebuild and an old roster. MIN- Who everybody considered paper tigers. MIA- Good team, but Tua. I am less concerned with our cap number in relation to break even. I am concerned with our ability to spend compared to the teams we are competing with at the top of the conference. Beane has to knock this draft out of the park. There’s no other way about it. He has to nail It this year 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mango said: I agree in CIN. They’re in an even tougher spot given the cash issues with ownership. KC can borrow for next year without much risk. By comparison it’s not so much kicking the can down the road like it is in Buffalo. I think we really need to shop Ed. Whether they do it or not is another story, but he's sucking up a a lot of money with not much to show for it. 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: Beane has to knock this draft out of the park. There’s no other way about it. He has to nail It this year We'll know pretty quickly how that's going to go. If it doesn't start offense heavy along the lines of: 1. WR 2. OL 3. OL We're in trouble. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Bates alone costs close to $5M/year. I’m skeptical that we can find two quality interior OL for $3M/year each. I agree that we need to fix the OL, but I don’t think saving money by releasing Morse is the way to do it. Restructuring contracts elsewhere to possibly bring in a decent FA, and then the draft, is how I see it. LT - Dawkins LG - Bates C - Morse RG - FA/Draftee RT - Brown/Draftee Still not a solid starting front, but a successful draft is our best chance of improving this group longer term. Fwiw when they put bates between morse and Dawkins down the stretch in 21, our run game came alive and our offense built itself up to those playoff games. I felt that all three played the best football of their lives in that stretch. I remember a good chunk of time where allen wasn't even touched, maybe 3 or 4 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, arcane said: Fwiw when they put bates between morse and Dawkins down the stretch in 21, our run game came alive and our offense built itself up to those playoff games. I felt that all three played the best football of their lives in that stretch. I remember a good chunk of time where allen wasn't even touched, maybe 3 or 4 games Yep, our running game wasn't great, but at least Josh wasn't running for his life every play. Josh actually had time to go through his progressions and make a much higher percentage throw rather than having to create on the run. I'm expecting at least a couple lineman from the draft and let's have a good training camp competition and put the best 5 out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 I didn’t expect a lot out of free agency this year help is gonna have to come via the draft And there’s gonna be some guys that didn’t play much this year that are going to have to be in positions of help next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It’s right in the neighborhood. Doesn’t change much, good or bad. We’re in position to create $40+ million in space with restructuring contracts. More with cuts. So that means we'll have about 20M to spend and the figures for Tremaine Edmunds are 14-16M, plus the roster filler types like AJ Klein etc., yes money can be manipulated but we could also end up like the Saints and they're still 57M in the hole from the Brees days. Beane stated at his press conference that they can manipulate the cap but also want to be smart about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: cutting him can create a reasonable amount of space. Others who could generate space are more non negotiable. I agree with you he should not be cut. And cutting him just makes another hole to fill. I think it is more likely that he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Mango said: Verbiage here is confusing. Total possible cap space does not equal amount of cap space we would have. Freeing up either $44M or $56M only actually gives us $22M or $34M in spendable cap dollars on draft picks and FA. That’s because we are approximately $22M over the cap now. The first $22M we free up just gets us to $0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Time to trim the fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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