Solomon Grundy Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 @NewEra, I’m gonna try this one more again!! Not trying to hit the hundred page mark though 😂. Bijan Robinson is THE dual threat RB needed to supplement Josh Allen. I banged the drum for Breece Hall last draft. I’m gonna clash the cymbals for Bijan. Maybe Beane and Co. will hear this time. Offensive linemen can be had to immediately help this team in rd 2 and beyond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: @NewEra, I’m gonna try this one more again!! Not trying to hit the hundred page mark though 😂. Bijan Robinson is THE dual threat RB needed to supplement Josh Allen. I banged the drum for Breece Hall last draft. I’m gonna clash the cymbals for Bijan. Maybe Beane and Co. will hear this time. Offensive linemen can be had to immediately help this team in rd 2 and beyond Of course you are! He’s a demon. I wouldn’t hate on it. It’s not my preference, but we’d be getting a top 5 player in the class with the 27th pick. That said. I REALLY doubt he slips to us. He’s a different animal than Breece Hall. Edited February 2, 2023 by NewEra 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 If we find a way to acquire a new starting Guard and new starting OT before the draft then absolutely. 1 via UFA, 1 via Trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 On 1/29/2023 at 4:18 PM, Solomon Grundy said: He couldn't add it at Georgia!! They're basically a NFL G-league How do we know that cook couldn’t add weight and Georgia He didn’t need to to be extremely effective in college. His height suggests that he could add the weight. 19 hours ago, NewEra said: Of course you are! He’s a demon. I wouldn’t hate on it. It’s not my preference, but we’d be getting a top 5 player in the class with the 27th pick. That said. I REALLY doubt he slips to us. He’s a different animal than Breece Hall. It will be a dilemma if he is there at our pick, we really have not gone all in on a running back yet My preference is to take a wide receiver or a lineman, but you have to be careful not to reach and get a player that ends up being unplayable This is supposed to be a solid draft for running backs in general, though with being able to find them in the later rounds, I would be highly surprised if we did go Bijan Robinson, and I actually hope that he is not there when we pick to make it hard Note, I will end up loving the pic like I always do. That’s the fan in me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How do we know that cook couldn’t add weight and Georgia He didn’t need to to be extremely effective in college. His height suggests that he could add the weight. It will be a dilemma if he is there at our pick, we really have not gone all in on a running back yet My preference is to take a wide receiver or a lineman, but you have to be careful not to reach and get a player that ends up being unplayable This is supposed to be a solid draft for running backs in general, though with being able to find them in the later rounds, I would be highly surprised if we did go Bijan Robinson, and I actually hope that he is not there when we pick to make it hard Note, I will end up loving the pic like I always do. That’s the fan in me. The feelings are mutual John. Whichever position we draft, I just hope that player turns out to be great. If it’s a RB, just hope that he can help run us to a Lombardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: This is supposed to be a solid draft for running backs in general, though with being able to find them in the later rounds, I would be highly surprised if we did go Bijan Robinson, and I actually hope that he is not there when we pick to make it hard It's like groundhogs day with some of you guys. They said the same when Jonathan Taylor was available. Breece Hall. Let's stop playing and get THE BEST RB in college football to add to the BEST QB in the NFL. Let's help the Bills play action/RPO game by giving them a RB that will effect the play of the opposing teams linebacking corp. As far as Cook's weight, maybe he could've put it on but would it have affected his playing speed? There was a reason it wasn't done at Georgia 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) On 1/29/2023 at 6:13 PM, Solomon Grundy said: Charles, he ran very tentatively against the Bengals He’s an extremely patient runner. Running backs like him seem to be patient when they have good blocking and tentative when they have no holes. He looked dam good to me…..his 5 carries vs Cinci not withstanding Edited February 3, 2023 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) This thread has a long way to go. Thanks primarily to @IronMaidenBills , the Breece Hall thread exceeded 100 pages before the mods declared it dead Edited February 3, 2023 by LabattBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 If Bijan is on the board at 27, I can almost guarantee he will be the pick. Here is why: Beane made an offer on CMC, and he was linked to inquiring into other RB's during the season. So there is established interest there already, and more so now with the likely departure of Devin. He will be without question the BPA at 27 no matter how the draft falls if he remains on the board. I would expect that if we did take Bijan at 27, we likely go OL with 2 of our next 3 picks. HOWEVER: I do not expect Bijan to be there at 27. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: This thread has a long way to go. Thanks primarily to @IronMaidenBills , the Breece Hall thread exceeded 100 pages before the mods declared it dead For good reason, dude was looking all pro before the injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: It's like groundhogs day with some of you guys. They said the same when Jonathan Taylor was available. Breece Hall. Let's stop playing and get THE BEST RB in college football to add to the BEST QB in the NFL. Let's help the Bills play action/RPO game by giving them a RB that will effect the play of the opposing teams linebacking corp. As far as Cook's weight, maybe he could've put it on but would it have affected his playing speed? There was a reason it wasn't done at Georgia This is exactly what Philly does with there excellent RB QB combo and yes they have a fantastic Oline but they force teams to cover every inch of space on that field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 To me the priorities in this off season should be O-line and WR. We probably need to add 2 of each. But if BR is there at 27 I think you have to take him if you believe he is a genuine franchise back, which looks very much to be the case. Not an expert by any means but I think Jamyr Gibbs may be as talented as Robinson (although 20 LBs lighter). I think Gibbs may prove better than Cook (they are similar backs) but I also think that Cook should be very good with the Bills. I'm pretty sure he can run between the tackles effectively even at 190 pounds and certainly if he adds weight (though no one would mistake him for a bell cow power back). Bijan could add that to the mix together with game breaking ability. It will be fascinating to see exactly how the Bills now approach the draft and FA. My impression is that McD has had a lot of influence in picking players. Now the emphasis has got to be on the offence and I look forward to seeing a change in the mindset with which the Bills have previously managed personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: To me the priorities in this off season should be O-line and WR. We probably need to add 2 of each. But if BR is there at 27 I think you have to take him if you believe he is a genuine franchise back, which looks very much to be the case. Not an expert by any means but I think Jamyr Gibbs may be as talented as Robinson (although 20 LBs lighter). I think Gibbs may prove better than Cook (they are similar backs) but I also think that Cook should be very good with the Bills. I'm pretty sure he can run between the tackles effectively even at 190 pounds and certainly if he adds weight (though no one would mistake him for a bell cow power back). Bijan could add that to the mix together with game breaking ability. It will be fascinating to see exactly how the Bills now approach the draft and FA. My impression is that McD has had a lot of influence in picking players. Now the emphasis has got to be on the offence and I look forward to seeing a change in the mindset with which the Bills have previously managed personnel. He is good, no doubt. I don’t think he would be nearly as good behind a poor OL in an offense that only runs the ball occasionally. RBs really don’t generally have long careers, so if you draft one you figure he is on your team four only 4-5 years. A good OL can play much longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: He is good, no doubt. I don’t think he would be nearly as good behind a poor OL in an offense that only runs the ball occasionally. RBs really don’t generally have long careers, so if you draft one you figure he is on your team four only 4-5 years. A good OL can play much longer. Well I hear you but Bijan is probably a lot better than just good and 5 years is a large enough window within which to seriously challenge for a championship. If he's done after 4- 5 (though I don't think this is written in stone) you've had a great back for cheap. And while it's true that the Bills are primarily a passing team I think we can all agree that we need a more balanced offence with a lot more scope for the run game over what we had this past year. Edited February 3, 2023 by starrymessenger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: It's like groundhogs day with some of you guys. They said the same when Jonathan Taylor was available. Breece Hall. Let's stop playing and get THE BEST RB in college football to add to the BEST QB in the NFL. Let's help the Bills play action/RPO game by giving them a RB that will effect the play of the opposing teams linebacking corp. As far as Cook's weight, maybe he could've put it on but would it have affected his playing speed? There was a reason it wasn't done at Georgia Just show me the plan to improve the line in the wide receiver position and I’m with you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Well I hear you but Bijan is probably a lot better than just good and 5 years is a large enough window within which to seriously challenge for a championship. If he's done after 4- 5 (though I don't think this is written in stone) you've had a great back for cheap. And while it's true that the Bills are primarily a passing team I think we can all agree that we need a more balanced offence with a lot more scope for the run game over what we had this past year. I’m just noting that in 5 years, they will have a hole whereas selection of a good OL leaves the possibility that he is still with your team and performing well for maybe 3-4 more years. Additionally, picking Robinson with this OL will dilute his value/production until they can fix the line. The Eagles are not a great running team because Miles Sanders is the best RB in the league, it is because they have a really good OL and weapons in the passing game that spread defenses thin. I am wholeheartedly on board with Bills improving their run game, I just think that is better and more sustainably done through a good OL and other weapons to threaten a defense than through picking an Uber-talented runner and dumping him behind a weak OL with only 1 NFL starting caliber WR. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Just show me the plan to improve the line in the wide receiver position and I’m with you I believe the line can be fixed in the draft. Darnell Wright is plug and play at RT. There's a plethora of IOL in draft that can play day one as well. Bijan helps the WR position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I believe the line can be fixed in the draft. Darnell Wright is plug and play at RT. There's a plethora of IOL in draft that can play day one as well. Bijan helps the WR position. How will you get Darnell Wright and Bijon Robinson in the draft. I would be very surprised if Wright makes it past early-mid 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) He'd be hard to pass up if he fell to #27 ... Some other team will make it easy on the Bills and draft him before Beane gets a chance. Edited February 3, 2023 by frostbitmic 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: I believe the line can be fixed in the draft. Darnell Wright is plug and play at RT. There's a plethora of IOL in draft that can play day one as well. Bijan helps the WR position. How does Robinson help the wrs just because a back can catch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: How does Robinson help the wrs just because a back can catch? Um play action for one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: How will you get Darnell Wright and Bijon Robinson in the draft. I would be very surprised if Wright makes it past early-mid 2nd. This is where Beane makes his money. He may have to move some assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: He'd be hard to pass up if he fell to #27 ... Some other team will make it easy on the Bills and draft him before Beane gets a chance. Yep, he's the #1 RB on most boards and to think he falls to almost the end of the first round is a pipe dream. I'll say it now...the only way we get him is if we trade up and that would be ill-advised considering what it would probably cost and what little draft picks we have this year as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: This is where Beane makes his money. He may have to move some assets I’m not trying to be argumentative, but what assets would he trade to move up, say 20 spots in round 2? I would not want to trade our 2nd and 3rd to move up in the second. Maybe they trade Oliver, but I don’t think you’ll get a high 2nd rounder for him given he is due a new contract soon. What I am suggesting is that it might not be easy to address OL in the late 2nd, so that makes Robinson an ill-advised luxury pick, in my opinion. That doesn’t mean that I am certain to be right - just how I see it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, frostbitmic said: He'd be hard to pass up if he fell to #27 ... Not really. It's been decades since the Bills passed on a RB drafted in round 1 and later regretted it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 The only way this thread has reached 14 pages is if fans assume Beane will trade up again. And Beane trading up again is just not a good idea at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) If he fell to 27, I’m running to the podium. Won’t happen anyways. If we passed on him, Cincy, KC, or Philly grabs him. Edited February 4, 2023 by Maynard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Billz4ever said: Yep, he's the #1 RB on most boards and to think he falls to almost the end of the first round is a pipe dream. I'll say it now...the only way we get him is if we trade up and that would be ill-advised considering what it would probably cost and what little draft picks we have this year as it is. On every board….No? No other back in this class is in his realm. it’s not the ranking of the player among his RB peers that will get him selected before we pick. It’s his ranking among every player in the draft. Top 5 player imo. He’s a truly great RB. His agility (especially for a guy his size) is almost unmatched from my memory. that said- trading up for a Rb….oh hell naw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 11 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I’m not trying to be argumentative, but what assets would he trade to move up, say 20 spots in round 2? I would not want to trade our 2nd and 3rd to move up in the second. Maybe they trade Oliver, but I don’t think you’ll get a high 2nd rounder for him given he is due a new contract soon. What I am suggesting is that it might not be easy to address OL in the late 2nd, so that makes Robinson an ill-advised luxury pick, in my opinion. That doesn’t mean that I am certain to be right - just how I see it. I don't think they have to move up 20 spots to get a quality OL that can possibly start next season. There are players like Darnell Walker, Carter Warren that can plug in at RT. Inside there's Juice Scruggs, Joe Tillman, JM Schmitz, etc. This is a great draft for IOL, IMO. I'm tired of people saying RB is a "luxury" pick. A "threat" at the RB position can really help an offense. Think Tony Pollard and the Dallas Cowboys. Austin Exeler and the Chargers. Yeah, they were late round picks but crucial to their offense. I'm tired of trying to find a diamond in the rough. Just give me a diamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 17 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: If Bijan is on the board at 27, I can almost guarantee he will be the pick. Here is why: Nah, McDermott will grab a safety. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Nah, McDermott will grab a safety. I'm not sure what the problem is Bill, the passing game is how you win...defending it that is. Another safety is possible even if it's not the first round, could definitely see a 2nd pick because McBeane loves to go need with that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 5 hours ago, NewEra said: On every board….No? No other back in this class is in his realm. it’s not the ranking of the player among his RB peers that will get him selected before we pick. It’s his ranking among every player in the draft. Top 5 player imo. He’s a truly great RB. His agility (especially for a guy his size) is almost unmatched from my memory. that said- trading up for a Rb….oh hell naw Yeah, every board I've seen. I didn't want to claim every because there would be that guy who would find one he wasn't and say I was wrong, lol. I'm not denying how good he is. In fact, if he does somehow fall to us, Beane is going to have to think hard about it, but in no way should we trade up to get him like you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Yeah, every board I've seen. I didn't want to claim every because there would be that guy who would find one he wasn't and say I was wrong, lol. I'm not denying how good he is. In fact, if he does somehow fall to us, Beane is going to have to think hard about it, but in no way should we trade up to get him like you said. lol, I get it. Makes sense. I was more or less putting a stamp of approval on your statement that Bijan is the overwhelming consensus best RB in this class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Nah, McDermott will grab a safety. If Safety is BPA, it’s certainly possible. But Bijan on the board at 27 would hands down make Bijan BPA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) On 2/4/2023 at 12:11 PM, Alphadawg7 said: If Safety is BPA, it’s certainly possible. But Bijan on the board at 27 would hands down make Bijan BPA Perhaps, but 1st round RBs are an improper way to build a football team, especially a team with a very suspect offensive line and a potential HOF QB who needs to be protected. A "bpa" safety would also be ill advised. Please, since OJ Simpson, find me a first round RB or Safety who was a big help to the Buffalo Bills....... https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills Edited February 6, 2023 by Bill from NYC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Perhaps, but 1st round RBs are an improper way to build a football team, especially a team with a very suspect offensive line and a potential HOF QB who needs to be protected. A "bpa" safety woulkd also be ill advised. Please, since OJ Simpson, find me a first round RB or Safety who was a big help to the Buffalo Bills....... https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills I don't care whose been a help to Buffalo Bills teams only in its history when its been completely different rosters, GM's, HC's, etc. I care about what happens around the NFL, and right now, a major issue we need to improve on is running the ball, especially with the bad weather late season in Buffalo. That is a two prong approach...fixing the OL and getting the right RB. Cook absolutely is NOT a bad weather RB and Devin is likely leaving. And to be clear, I am not even advocating for a RB in the first, I am simply stating if Bijan is on the board at 27 (which he won't likely be), he would almost certainly be the best player on the board regardless of position. If you read my other posts in other threads, my actual preference is to sign D'Onta Foreman to be the replacement for Devin. I would rather do that and use the draft picks to fill other holes. But, the number 1 way to blow a draft is to reach for need, so I am all about BPA. So if we don't sign a RB, then I can't see how they pass on Bijan at 27, he would almost certainly be the BPA and I would rather add the best talent than reach for need elsewhere. Im hoping for 2 OL in the first 3 rounds if we don't address it in free agency aggressively. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I'd be surprised if he got to the bills, the eagles,panthers,bucs,giants,ravens, and even titans will be looking at an RB. I think the bills having gaping holes on oline and WR2 will not allow the bills a luxury pick at RB in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I don't care whose been a help to Buffalo Bills teams only in its history when its been completely different rosters, GM's, HC's, etc. I care about what happens around the NFL, and right now, a major issue we need to improve on is running the ball, especially with the bad weather late season in Buffalo. That is a two prong approach...fixing the OL and getting the right RB. Cook absolutely is NOT a bad weather RB and Devin is likely leaving. And to be clear, I am not even advocating for a RB in the first, I am simply stating if Bijan is on the board at 27 (which he won't likely be), he would almost certainly be the best player on the board regardless of position. If you read my other posts in other threads, my actual preference is to sign D'Onta Foreman to be the replacement for Devin. I would rather do that and use the draft picks to fill other holes. But, the number 1 way to blow a draft is to reach for need, so I am all about BPA. So if we don't sign a RB, then I can't see how they pass on Bijan at 27, he would almost certainly be the BPA and I would rather add the best talent than reach for need elsewhere. Im hoping for 2 OL in the first 3 rounds if we don't address it in free agency aggressively. Good post Alpha. Generally, I agree with not reaching for a need. Of course if it's close between BPA fill the need. A few things that I'd like to add about the running game. I think the premise that the Bills can't effectively run the ball is incorrect. Don't agree with they can't get the tough yards in critical situations or in inclimate weather. Devin and Cook with Allen sprinkled in are a more than enough of a running game for an effective offense. In fact, stats showed the Bills average 5.1 yards a rush. Surely, it's inflated because most teams concentrated on stopping the Bills passing game. Imho, the real issue with the running game is scheme, coaching, and game planning. The offense lacked continuity, rhythm, and an identity. The running game from game to game and even quarter to quarter was erratic with a borderline personality disorder. The Bills coaches have to learn how to implement an effective running game that compliments it's passing game. We saw glimpses this year but nothing that's needed to make the Bills offense hum. In short, I just do not trust the Bills coaching staff. Way too much has been on Allen's plate since he's arrived. Certainly, he can handle most of what's given to him. However, in the playoffs that's when things go sour. Been a consistent theme for years now. Point being if the Bills got Barkely, CMC, Robinson, etc.. I doubt they would reach their ceiling in Buffalo. Coaching matters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: with Allen sprinkled in are a more than enough of a running game That's the problem!! Let's stop relying on Allen to run the ball. It's time to have someone he can reliably hand it to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: That's the problem!! Let's stop relying on Allen to run the ball. It's time to have someone he can reliably hand it to. I am fine with scaling back his running. However, his legs are a huge weapon which makes it difficult on defenses. I'm fine with some timely run by design and improvised runs too. No way to I want to see Allen only as a passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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