I think it's clear that Zach Wilson is a bust

[SoTier]

13 hours ago, Flucod said:

Well how about Kurt Warner, Roger Staubauch, George Blanda, Bart Starr was a 10th round pick. I guess probably better odds then 1 in a million.

 

Staubach, Blanda and Starr were all drafted 50 or 60 years ago.   Warner is a baby ... he came out of college less than 30 years ago.    Even Brady was drafted more than 20 years ago.

 

12 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

He had two td passes dropped on one first half series (one admittedly a lot harder catch than the other) and a te who couldn’t toe-tap before falling down on a good pass. The game is a lot different if people catch the ball, although i suppose you could say the same about gabe davis’s  drop early on. Brisset played well.

 

Brisette generally plays well -- and puts up good numbers -- but just not good enough to win games because he can't seem to make clutch plays.  His failed QB sneak on 4th down is an example.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

The Jets had 2 yards of total offense in the second half against the Pats.   It wasn't a bad weather game.

 

Two yards....

 

Today Zach was 9/22 (40.9%) for 77 yards, 0 TD,  0 INT,  3 sacks for 44 yards

 

Through Zach's first 7 games this season;

57.5 comp percentage

1,202 yards passing --  171 yards a game

4 TDs

5 INTs

 

They've had some tough injuries on offense but Zach can't even game manage.  He just can't be under center again next year.  They're going to have to go back to the well for another QB.  This year's Jets are like a lot of Drought Era Bills' teams, a great defense squandered by a parade of inept quarterback play.

 

Josh had some tough games in year two but he was constantly flashing, showing the potential that was there.  I don't think anyone who watches Zach thinks he's on the cusp of putting it all together and breaking out.  It was clear at the end of the 4th quarter today with it tied at 3 and the Jets with the ball, that Saleh was trying to hide Zach, trying to not have him lose the game.  Saleh had no confidence in Zach's ability to make a play and even get the ball into field goal range.  The Jets ended up punting it away and the Pats returned the punt 84 yards for the only TD of the game with 5 seconds left.

 

The Jets have already spent their horde of draft picks.  In next year's draft they only have their own pick for the first 4 rounds.  This miss on Zach is really going to set them back.  They're going to win just enough games to get them selecting in the middle third of the draft.  They're going to have to trade away future picks to move up for a blue chip prospect in the draft or look for a retread vet QB to pick up.

 

I can't imagine Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh putting their livelihood in Zach's hands again next year.  They're going to ask for a mulligan and try to grab another QB.

 

 

And they showed a highlight at the game Wilson threw a football directly to a Patriots linebacker who dropped it. 

[Seventeen]

Why I am seeing Baker Mayfield in a Jets uniform in 2023 ? 

[Strethor]

The Jet's are in an interesting position because Zach is sucking and not owning up to sucking and he's in progress of losing the locker room. 

[machine gun kelly]

The problem for Wilson is not that he’s made mistakes, but he’s not learning from his mistakes.  Allen improved each year.  Wilson still looks like a rookie and making mistakes left and right.  He won’t last long.  It’s too bad as Salah is creating a heck of a defense, and improving their running game.  What did they punt 17 times yesterday?

 

The sad thing is The Pats looked just as bad.
 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

The sad thing is The Pats looked just as bad.

They did look just as bad. But I’m a bit confused about the part where that’s “sad”

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

'I think it's clear that Zach Wilson likes bust'.

 

5 pages and nobody else has my sophomoric humour?! 🤔

[The Frankish Reich]

My fear in the Bills-Jets game was that Wilson would go down and Mike White would take over at QB. That almost happened - Wilson took a hit and White was warming up. I still stand by my comments last year after a White’s one huuuge game that there’s a small possibility that he could actually be good, which is more right now than Wilson and Flacco are showing. 

[machine gun kelly]

22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

They did look just as bad. But I’m a bit confused about the part where that’s “sad”

Meaning how pathetic they are as a team without Brady.

 

I think you know how much I loathe the Cheats.  Probably as much as you.  My only wish is BB hangs on as he’s the smartest guy in the room and hangs on for another four miserable years finishing 7-10 to 8-9.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

16 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Let me repeat;

 

Two things can be true at the same time.  The Jets can beat the Bills Week 9 --- and --- Zach Wilson can be a bust

 

Yes, 2 things can be true.  Your point is correct and a poorly played game by the Bills doesn't change the fact that Wilson

is not going to be the answer for the Jets unless some sort of miraculous change happens to him.

 

Unfortunately, your OP is lost with the "sarcasm" (for sake of a better word) that is running rampant on this site lately.

Dissing this team seems to be the hip thing to do.

[FilthyBeast]

I'll be very surprised if he makes it through the season as the Jets starter especially with them still in contention for the division and playoffs right now. And of course he had to play the best game of his career against the Bills recently only to come crashing back to earth against a Belichik defense.

 

Make no mistake about it though, that roster has some scary talent across the board and if they get even game manager level play from the QB position next year they are going to be a real SB favorite.

[KellysHandWarmer]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

The problem for Wilson is not that he’s made mistakes, but he’s not learning from his mistakes.  Allen improved each year.  Wilson still looks like a rookie and making mistakes left and right.  He won’t last long.  It’s too bad as Salah is creating a heck of a defense, and improving their running game.  What did they punt 17 times yesterday?

 

The sad thing is The Pats looked just as bad.
 

 

Yes, this. Wilson's refusal to take any responsibility for the loss is telling: The reason he's not learning from his mistakes is that his ego won't let him acknowledge that he's making any.

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

Why I am seeing Baker Mayfield in a Jets uniform in 2023 ? 

Have you been drinking?

[Billsfan1972]

This is a Buffalo Bills fan site.   I seldom care about threads like this.  Yes there are threads & get it that are not Bills exclusive.

 

Why I care is that he looked like anything but a bust vs. Buffalo and that really gnaws at me.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Albany,n.y.]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

The WFAN hosts & callers have been brutal.  

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The WFAN hosts & callers have been brutal.  

I wish Joe benigno was still on 😂

[machine gun kelly]

14 minutes ago, KellysHandWarmer said:

Yes, this. Wilson's refusal to take any responsibility for the loss is telling: The reason he's not learning from his mistakes is that his ego won't let him acknowledge that he's making any.

Probably.  

 

What I care is that Allen continues to heal that elbow, but hopefully has enough practice time to get back into a rhythm.  I know Detroits defense is atrocious, but we can’t afford another hiccup.  We get out of this game at 8-3 on national tv, as we should be sufficiently motivated to destroy the Pats, and then take on the Jets.  I respect the Jets defense, but Wilson won’t get that lucky twice.

 

Then we’re 10-3 and hopefully a nice rhythm.

[Sharky7337]

18 hours ago, chongli said:

 

For every team that plays us, it's their SB, so it makes sense.

Gosh this is the worst common saying ever. Is it so hard for people to admit we weren't the better team that game? 

 

Same things chiefs fans say to us when we win.

[Brand J]

35 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This is a Buffalo Bills fan site.   I seldom care about threads like this.  Yes there are threads & get it that are not Bills exclusive.

 

Why I care is that he looked like anything but a bust vs. Buffalo and that really gnaws at me.

Kenny Pickett, Zach Wilson, Kirk Cousins, and Jacoby Brissett all had statistically their best games against this defense. We’re 2-2 in those games against scrubs.

[PatsFanNH]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

They did look just as bad. But I’m a bit confused about the part where that’s “sad”

Except they didn’t look just as bad. The Pats Lost Isaiah “false Start” Wynn and Andrews early on in the game.. so the O line was GOD awful!  Sacks and dumb penalties were the reason the O couldn’t score.  Mac went 23/27 for 246 yards. Not great but not awful, like I said  before maybe 1 or 2 of the sacks were in him but most were just bad blocking.  The Pats O IMO showed improvement, but with a bad O line be hard do much with a QB that can’t run. 

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

They did look just as bad. But I’m a bit confused about the part where that’s “sad”

Except they didn’t look just as bad. The Pats Lost Isaiah “false Start” Wynn and Andrews early on in the game.. so the O line was GOD awful!  Sacks and dumb penalties were the reason the O couldn’t score.  Mac went 23/27 for 246 yards. Not great but not awful, like I said  before maybe 1 or 2 of the sacks were in him but most were just bad blocking.  The Pats O IMO showed improvement, but with a bad O line be hard do much with a QB that can’t run. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I don't know at the end of the clip if Wrecks is agreeing, disagreeing, or just being a bobblehead.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Except they didn’t look just as bad. The Pats Lost Isaiah “false Start” Wynn and Andrews early on in the game.. so the O line was GOD awful!  Sacks and dumb penalties were the reason the O couldn’t score.  Mac went 23/27 for 246 yards. Not great but not awful, like I said  before maybe 1 or 2 of the sacks were in him but most were just bad blocking.  The Pats O IMO showed improvement, but with a bad O line be hard do much with a QB that can’t run. 

Except they didn’t look just as bad. The Pats Lost Isaiah “false Start” Wynn and Andrews early on in the game.. so the O line was GOD awful!  Sacks and dumb penalties were the reason the O couldn’t score.  Mac went 23/27 for 246 yards. Not great but not awful, like I said  before maybe 1 or 2 of the sacks were in him but most were just bad blocking.  The Pats O IMO showed improvement, but with a bad O line be hard do much with a QB that can’t run. 

No need to repeat yourself😝😉

 

Again I don't care about Wilson or Mac outside how they do vs. Buffalo.  

 

And like above, an awful lot of QB's have looked good vs. Buffalo of late.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No need to repeat yourself😝😉

 

Again I don't care about Wilson or Mac outside how they do vs. Buffalo.  

 

And like above, an awful lot of QB's have looked good vs. Buffalo of late.

Lmao no idea why it did that!  I wouldn’t worry about the Pats until our D can make your. Punt at least ONE time lol.. 

[SinceThe70s]

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I wish Joe benigno was still on 😂

 

He does a show on Saturdays with Evan Roberts.  Pretty sure it only started up a month or so ago. 

[Big Turk]

Wilson then blames the winds as why he sucked.

 

Bills say we'll see you in a few weeks:

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

20 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Good, kid looked a little c*cky after their win the other week

C*cky huh, that is what his mothers friend was thinking.

[BarleyNY]

20 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

The Jets had 2 yards of total offense in the second half against the Pats.   It wasn't a bad weather game.

 

Two yards....

 

Today Zach was 9/22 (40.9%) for 77 yards, 0 TD,  0 INT,  3 sacks for 44 yards

 

Through Zach's first 7 games this season;

57.5 comp percentage

1,202 yards passing --  171 yards a game

4 TDs

5 INTs

 

They've had some tough injuries on offense but Zach can't even game manage.  He just can't be under center again next year.  They're going to have to go back to the well for another QB.  This year's Jets are like a lot of Drought Era Bills' teams, a great defense squandered by a parade of inept quarterback play.

 

Josh had some tough games in year two but he was constantly flashing, showing the potential that was there.  I don't think anyone who watches Zach thinks he's on the cusp of putting it all together and breaking out.  It was clear at the end of the 4th quarter today with it tied at 3 and the Jets with the ball, that Saleh was trying to hide Zach, trying to not have him lose the game.  Saleh had no confidence in Zach's ability to make a play and even get the ball into field goal range.  The Jets ended up punting it away and the Pats returned the punt 84 yards for the only TD of the game with 5 seconds left.

 

The Jets have already spent their horde of draft picks.  In next year's draft they only have their own pick for the first 4 rounds.  This miss on Zach is really going to set them back.  They're going to win just enough games to get them selecting in the middle third of the draft.  They're going to have to trade away future picks to move up for a blue chip prospect in the draft or look for a retread vet QB to pick up.

 

I can't imagine Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh putting their livelihood in Zach's hands again next year.  They're going to ask for a mulligan and try to grab another QB.

 

 

The Jest are a QB away from being a formidable team. I don’t see Zach Wilson developing into one so a lot will depend on how long they stick with him. 

[Inigo Montoya]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The Jest are a QB away from being a formidable team. I don’t see Zach Wilson developing into one so a lot will depend on how long they stick with him. 

 

I agree. 

 

The worst thing they could do for the franchise is to bench him now --- unless --- they have already decided to move on from him at the end of the season.  They can't go into the off-season with a shred of doubt about his status.  He is either getting better and worth investing another year in, or he clearly can't cut it and they need to go back to the QB well.  If they aren't 100% certain right now that he is a lost cause he needs to be playing so they can figure that out.

 

They don't have a championship level roster now with the QBs they have.  Mike White and Flacco are not winning a Super Bowl this year despite the talent around them.  They might win a game or two more this season if they play White or Flacco, but to what end?  All that will do is kick them even farther back in the draft next year.

 

They need to decide if Zack is worth another year to develop or not.  Everything else should be a moot point for Joe Douglas and Saleh.  

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I agree. 

 

The worst thing they could do for the franchise is to bench him now --- unless --- they have already decided to move on from him at the end of the season.  They can't go into the off-season with a shred of doubt about his status.  He is either getting better and worth investing another year in, or he clearly can't cut it and they need to go back to the QB well.  If they aren't 100% certain right now that he is a lost cause he needs to be playing so they can figure that out.

 

They don't have a championship level roster now with the QBs they have.  Mike White and Flacco are not winning a Super Bowl this year despite the talent around them.  They might win a game or two more this season if they play White or Flacco, but to what end?  All that will do is kick them even farther back in the draft next year.

 

They need to decide if Zack is worth another year to develop or not.  Everything else should be a moot point for Joe Douglas and Saleh.  

Considering that Darnold got 3 years, I think they'll give Zach Wilson one more season after this one, but I wouldn't be surprised if they signed a veteran who has starting experience to replace Flacco.  

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Meaning how pathetic they are as a team without Brady.

 

I think you know how much I loathe the Cheats.  Probably as much as you.  My only wish is BB hangs on as he’s the smartest guy in the room and hangs on for another four miserable years finishing 7-10 to 8-9.

I think you’re right. Contrary to popular belief, I think these last 2 seasons are showing that Belichick is a fantastic coach. He’s squeezing out wild card berth type performances with a Case Keenum (at best!) at QB with little talent on offense around him. 
O, Football Gods, please keep the Pats in QB purgatory for two decades …

23 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Considering that Darnold got 3 years, I think they'll give Zach Wilson one more season after this one, but I wouldn't be surprised if they signed a veteran who has starting experience to replace Flacco.  

Mike White is in the house! He has Taylor Heineke or Gardner Minshew written all over him. Let’s hope the Jets don’t go there. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I think you’re right. Contrary to popular belief, I think these last 2 seasons are showing that Belichick is a fantastic coach. He’s squeezing out wild card berth type performances with a Case Keenum (at best!) at QB with little talent on offense around him. 
O, Football Gods, please keep the Pats in QB purgatory for two decades …

Mike White is in the house! He has Taylor Heineke or Gardner Minshew written all over him. Let’s hope the Jets don’t go there. 

The Bills played Mike White last year. It was a massacre. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills played Mike White last year. It was a massacre. 

Hey, I’m not saying he’s The Answer. I’m saying there’s a reasonable chance he doesn’t suck as bad as Zach Wilson or Joe Flacco. It’s a low bar ….

[Seventeen]

26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Considering that Darnold got 3 years, I think they'll give Zach Wilson one more season after this one, but I wouldn't be surprised if they signed a veteran who has starting experience to replace Flacco.  

 

Given his dead cap is $20 mil in 2023, you're probably right although you'd think they would've learned with Darnold and Wilson apparently has lost the locker room. If the Jets miss the playoffs and he stinks it up the rest of the year, they may just release him. 

[YoloinOhio]

Do you feel like you let your country down?

 

[Franco_92]

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao no idea why it did that!  I wouldn’t worry about the Pats until our D can make your. Punt at least ONE time lol.. 

For me, if the post doesn't send right away I have a habit of clicking the button again, which makes it post twice like that. Not sure if that's the only cause, but it's pretty common

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Seventeen]

 

[Captain Hindsight]

11 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

I was hoping for a contract extension 

[Low Positive]

I spent a few hours today trying to learn a photoshop technique where you turn a photo of a person into a marble Grecian statue in order to make a Zach Wilson bust joke, but I failed. But I did learn about a bunch of Photoshop filters that I didn't know about before, so all was not lost.