Adding a RB

[Low Positive]

Am I alone amongst Bills fans in not wanting 20+ rushing attempts by RBs when we have Josh F-ing Allen as QB?

[TheWeatherMan]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Am I alone amongst Bills fans in not wanting 20+ rushing attempts by RBs when we have Josh F-ing Allen as QB?

Did you not watch the first half of the chiefs game?  We ran all over them because they were playing the pass.  Second half they made adjustments and Josh killed them through the air.  Being multidimensional is a must if you want to win championships.  

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Did you not watch the first half of the chiefs game?  We ran all over them because they were playing the pass.  Second half they made adjustments and Josh killed them through the air.  Being multidimensional is a must if you want to win championships.  

But the Bills did that with existing personnel. If they traded for a star RB they would have to “establish the run” by giving that back 25 carries. That’s how many the Colts, Titans and Browns have to give their “bell cows” to get even 100 yards per game from them.

[TheWeatherMan]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

But the Bills did that with existing personnel. If they traded for a star RB they would have to “establish the run” by giving that back 25 carries. That’s how many the Colts, Titans and Browns have to give their “bell cows” to get even 100 yards per game from them.

Colts, Titans and Browns don’t have a good QB.  We don’t need a bell cow we need a quality back to share the load.  Right now we only have one RB worth giving the ball too.  

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Colts, Titans and Browns don’t have a good QB.  We don’t need a bell cow we need a quality back to share the load.  Right now we only have one RB worth giving the ball too.  

 

If our RB is gettin 20 carries or less then he really doesnt need to share the load with anyone.  You want to trade assets away for a guy to get like 5 carries?

[TheWeatherMan]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

If our RB is gettin 20 carries or less then he really doesnt need to share the load with anyone.  You want to trade assets away for a guy to get like 5 carries?

Yes, a late pick for a running back to take some of the load off Motor and act as a buckup in case of injury.  If motor goes down, the running game will be SOL.  

[Scott7975]

Just now, TheWeatherMan said:

Yes, a late pick for a running back to take some of the load off Motor and act as a buckup in case of injury.  If motor goes down, the running game will be SOL.  

 

Nah, waste of pick, waste of roster space, waste of further cap.

[NewEra]

40 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

But the Bills did that with existing personnel. If they traded for a star RB they would have to “establish the run” by giving that back 25 carries. That’s how many the Colts, Titans and Browns have to give their “bell cows” to get even 100 yards per game from them.

Put down the crack pipe mac

17 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Nah, waste of pick, waste of roster space, waste of further cap.

You won’t be saying that if Motor

goes down.

 

it’s not a waste of a roster spot-  a trade for a RB signifies no belief in moss. He’d be cut.

Edited October 26, 2022 by NewEra

[JoshAllin]

25 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Yes, a late pick for a running back to take some of the load off Motor and act as a buckup in case of injury.  If motor goes down, the running game will be SOL.  

If motor went down it wouldn't affect the way the bills score 30 pts a game. I think despite his poor performance Moss can still redeem himself and do just enough to fill in along with Cook. Since motor and Moss are good pass blockers and pass catchers

Edited October 26, 2022 by motorj

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, motorj said:

If motor went down it wouldn't affect the way the bills score 30 pts a game. I think despite his poor performance Moss can still redeem himself and do just enough to fill in along with Cook. Since motor and Moss are good pass blockers and pass catchers

I’d rather not try and win a super bowl

with Zack Moss as our starting RB

Edited October 26, 2022 by NewEra

[Scott7975]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Put down the crack pipe mac

You won’t be saying that if Motor

goes down.

 

it’s not a waste of a roster spot-  a trade for a RB signifies no belief in moss. He’d be cut.

 

Yes I would be saying it if Motor went down.  Our problem is not the backs.  Its the oline.  Our backs are not much different than the rest of the league outside of the elite backs.  There are undrafted backs making solid runs.  It all starts up front.  Our line doesnt create that up front.

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d rather not try and win a super bowl

with Zack Moss as our starting RB

 

Last years superbowl winning RB stat line for the game: Cam Akers 13 carries 21 yards 0 tds 1.6 ypc

 

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes I would be saying it if Motor went down.  Our problem is not the backs.  Its the oline.  Our backs are not much different than the rest of the league outside of the elite backs.  There are undrafted backs making solid runs.  It all starts up front.  Our line doesnt create that up front.

 

Last years superbowl winning RB stat line for the game: Cam Akers 13 carries 21 yards 0 tds 1.6 ypc

 

Running back isn’t (fixed) a problem with motor starting.  If Zack moss is the starter, ot could be a problem.  Maybe not…. But definitely could be. Our starting RB is going to be catching a good amount of passes come playoffs imo.   I hope cook can step up and be that guy, but I’m not sure he’s ready for as of week 7.  I don’t want that guy to be Moss.  
 

I’d rather have Antonio Gibson. He can do some work out there in the pass game and has breakaway speed. Plus one year left on his contract.  I pull the trigger for a 5th of Washington would.  He wouldn’t we a one year rental either 

Edited October 26, 2022 by NewEra

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

Am I alone amongst Bills fans in not wanting 20+ rushing attempts by RBs when we have Josh F-ing Allen as QB?

you are not.

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Did you not watch the first half of the chiefs game?  We ran all over them because they were playing the pass.  Second half they made adjustments and Josh killed them through the air.  Being multidimensional is a must if you want to win championships.  

So what’s the problem then? No one said don’t run it at all. Obviously take what the defense is giving you if they’re being that transparent about it.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

If our RB is gettin 20 carries or less then he really doesnt need to share the load with anyone.  You want to trade assets away for a guy to get like 5 carries?

Rbs catch passes and block too…and a guy with a little more burst can hit huge plays in the running/passing game much more frequently than singletary does. That’s really the exception I have with singletary…the running game is usually mostly small gains until you hit on a huge play and singletary just doesn’t have breakaway speed.  It could be a good investment even if this hypothetical new running back doesn’t get a ton of carries 

[Scott7975]

20 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Rbs catch passes and block too…and a guy with a little more burst can hit huge plays in the running/passing game much more frequently than singletary does. That’s really the exception I have with singletary…the running game is usually mostly small gains until you hit on a huge play and singletary just doesn’t have breakaway speed.  It could be a good investment even if this hypothetical new running back doesn’t get a ton of carries 

 

Singletary is tied for 10th in the league in yards after contact receiving for running backs.  Most of the ones above him arent that much better other than McCaffrey and Ekeler.  There isnt this huge difference that all you guys think there is.

 

Just to throw this out there too... Cook is 4th in the league in yards after contact per rushing attempt.

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Running back is a problem with motor starting.  If Zack moss is the starter, ot could be a problem.  Maybe not…. But definitely could be. Our starting RB is going to be catching a good amount of passes come playoffs imo.   I hope cook can step up and be that guy, but I’m not sure he’s ready for as of week 7.  I don’t want that guy to be Moss.  
 

I’d rather have Antonio Gibson. He can do some work out there in the pass game and has breakaway speed. Plus one year left on his contract.  I pull the trigger for a 5th of Washington would.  He wouldn’t we a one year rental either 

 

I mean, Im not against throwing a 5th out there. I just think this RB thing is overblown.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I’d rather not try and win a super bowl

with Zack Moss as our starting RB

Couldn't agree more. Just go out an trade a 4th & 5th for Hunt. He'd be a great compliment (especially receiving) to Singletary. I have little faith in Cook and zero faith in Moss.

[Nelius]

Montgomery is not the answer. He has a career 3.9 ypc and is often just not very good. I see that Motor's quite nice career 4.7 ypc has already been debated, and I agree that he's no Fred Taylor, but you still don't give his carries to a true sub 4.0 guy. He'll plod like Moss and probably won't even pass block as well. Chicago knows Khalil Herbert is better, and even Herbert is a late round, short, not super fast Bears type of purgatory player. The Bears are Losman era Bills right now, don't take any of them.

 

Too bad the Cowboys weren't floundering because what we really need is a guy like Tony Pollard if anything. An underused potential gamebreaker that above all can catch. Perhaps Cook can be that guy, but I wouldn't hate a vet that could show him those same ropes. Cook is kind of turning into a true X factor right now, we're almost relying on him to mix it up at some point

 

If we're dreaming give me D'Andre Swift with some Beane magic for cheap because it doesn't make a ton of sense to still be awful and hoard a skilled RB, but other than that I'm okay with our current squad. 

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Nelius

[Solomon Grundy]

5 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes I would be saying it if Motor went down.  Our problem is not the backs.  Its the oline.  Our backs are not much different than the rest of the league outside of the elite backs.  There are undrafted backs making solid runs.  It all starts up front.  Our line doesnt create that up front.

 

Last years superbowl winning RB stat line for the game: Cam Akers 13 carries 21 yards 0 tds 1.6 ypc

 

Didn't Darrell Henderson play in that game too? Also throughout the broadcast the announcers kept saying although the backs aren't really gaining any yards, the Rams have to keep running to have that threat. 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Singletary is tied for 10th in the league in yards after contact receiving for running backs.  Most of the ones above him arent that much better other than McCaffrey and Ekeler.  There isnt this huge difference that all you guys think there is.

 

Just to throw this out there too... Cook is 4th in the league in yards after contact per rushing attempt.

 

I mean, Im not against throwing a 5th out there. I just think this RB thing is overblown.

Zack moss starting in the super bowl is a big thing imo

[Simon Says]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:44 AM, Stokes84 said:

I’ve gotta say, you guys suck at reading.

Maybe YOU suck at WRITING!?

I'm not convinced ANY of the names mentioned are better BACKUPS than Cook,Moss and Johnson,but,sure,let's just add another body to the PS or game day inactives.

Certainly wouldn't START any of them in place of Singletary. 

 

[TheWeatherMan]

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

you are not.

So what’s the problem then? No one said don’t run it at all. Obviously take what the defense is giving you if they’re being that transparent about it.

Problem is we have one RB that can run through a hole.  Without Singletary we are a 1 dimensional team, which makes it easier for opponents to defend against the pass.  

[LyndonvilleBill]

23 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Problem is we have one RB that can run through a hole.  Without Singletary we are a 1 dimensional team, which makes it easier for opponents to defend against the pass.  

Don't we still have Duke Johnson on the PS?🤔

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Don't we still have Duke Johnson on the PS?🤔

Don't you wonder, WHY?? 

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Don't you wonder, WHY?? 

Not really. We have Singletary, Moss, Cook and heaven forbid Jones already on the 53. I think Duke is there if we need him and could fill in for the 5-10 snaps a game if really needed. It's not like he is some scrub that couldn't handle filling in IMO.

[Ralonzo]

I was low-key hoping Antonio Gibson might be odd man out in Washington after Robinson recovered from his walking-around-DC injury, but it looks like it's McKissic who is being phased out (good call staying put, lol).

 

I wonder if Beane would be able to swallow his bile to offer a 6 or 7 for Gibson. Signed through 2023 and could carry the mail should Singletary walk, albeit with long speed. Feels like he's more of a feature option than Duke, where McKissic is a mostly a better version of Duke.

 

Have not vetted for culture fit or anything, just wond'ring aloud.

[Mafioso]

Nothing we can do about it now, but I thought it was a mistake not to make a move for Kenneth Walker during the draft, who seems to be a ready made all-pro since taking over the starting job in Seattle.  He has the highest rate of missed tackles of any RB in the league...constantly makes something out of nothing.  Also has explosive big play ability and homerun speed.  The difference between Walker and James Cook (both taken in Round 2) is glaring.  Beane has been great in the draft overall but I think Walker would have been an instant impact addition vs. a longer term project, which is what Cook seems to be.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Didn't Darrell Henderson play in that game too? Also throughout the broadcast the announcers kept saying although the backs aren't really gaining any yards, the Rams have to keep running to have that threat. 

 

Yes, he did slightly better.  4 carries for 7 yards 1.8 ypc

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Zack moss starting in the super bowl is a big thing imo

 

I dont think it is and I was banging the "never want to see Moss on the field again" drum before it was cool to do so around here.  

[Einstein's Dog]

3 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Problem is we have one RB that can run through a hole.  Without Singletary we are a 1 dimensional team, which makes it easier for opponents to defend against the pass.  

Another problem is next year our RB room looks weak.  Sure I think Cook will improve but I think Moss may be done and Singletary is a FA.  It would be nice if the FO could pick up an RB that would not only finish out this season but be here for next year as well.  It would help build year over year continuity.  It's a downside to the Hunt pickup, Hunt will want big bucks for 2023, so he really looks like a half season rental.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes, he did slightly better.  4 carries for 7 yards 1.8 ypc

 

I dont think it is and I was banging the "never want to see Moss on the field again" drum before it was cool to do so around here.  

Cool.  Let’s both hope we never have to see this come to fruition.  Stay healthy Motor.  Moss blows.  

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Cool.  Let’s both hope we never have to see this come to fruition.  Stay healthy Motor.  Moss blows.  

 

Well on that we agree

[Solomon Grundy]

On 10/26/2022 at 8:38 AM, TheWeatherMan said:

Problem is we have one RB that can run through a hole.  Without Singletary we are a 1 dimensional team, which makes it easier for opponents to defend against the pass.  

Could Jamaal Williams from Lions be an option now that Swift is back? 

[NewEra]

On 10/26/2022 at 7:21 AM, Mafioso said:

Nothing we can do about it now, but I thought it was a mistake not to make a move for Kenneth Walker during the draft, who seems to be a ready made all-pro since taking over the starting job in Seattle.  He has the highest rate of missed tackles of any RB in the league...constantly makes something out of nothing.  Also has explosive big play ability and homerun speed.  The difference between Walker and James Cook (both taken in Round 2) is glaring.  Beane has been great in the draft overall but I think Walker would have been an instant impact addition vs. a longer term project, which is what Cook seems to be.

He looks like the best RB in football

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Could Jamaal Williams from Lions be an option now that Swift is back? 

Swift hurt too often. They need Williams

[ColoradoBills]

On 10/26/2022 at 7:04 AM, Solomon Grundy said:

Don't you wonder, WHY?? 

 

Well Motor and Cook are locks, and they started the year once again hopeful that Moss could get better.

He hasn't and his snap count has been dropping and he didn't play in the KC game.

 

I can see a pretty decent chance Duke gets a call-up from the PS for a game or two in the future.

If he plays well a change could be in order.

Moss is fighting for his life to be on the team next season IMO.

[Warriorspikes51]

On 10/26/2022 at 10:21 AM, Mafioso said:

Nothing we can do about it now, but I thought it was a mistake not to make a move for Kenneth Walker during the draft, who seems to be a ready made all-pro since taking over the starting job in Seattle.  He has the highest rate of missed tackles of any RB in the league...constantly makes something out of nothing.  Also has explosive big play ability and homerun speed.  The difference between Walker and James Cook (both taken in Round 2) is glaring.  Beane has been great in the draft overall but I think Walker would have been an instant impact addition vs. a longer term project, which is what Cook seems to be.

I get that....but we really haven't given Cook enough touches to give him a chance.  His last touch against the Steelers was a dandy 

[Solomon Grundy]

GMFB says somebody put out a Tweet (not Elon Musk) that Alvin Kamara maybe available. Any interest?? He's only a "Saint" in New Orleans😎

[SCBills]

34 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

GMFB says somebody put out a Tweet (not Elon Musk) that Alvin Kamara maybe available. Any interest?? He's only a "Saint" in New Orleans😎

For the player, yea.   For the person, no. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

32 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

GMFB says somebody put out a Tweet (not Elon Musk) that Alvin Kamara maybe available. Any interest?? He's only a "Saint" in New Orleans😎

From a talent standpoint I'd be 100% in on Kamara. But the last thing we need is Alvin whooping some dude in Dave & Busters because they grabbed the last set of Minecraft trading cards in the ticket cash in line. 🤣

 

In all seriousness though, I don't see Beane giving up assets for a guy with the sort of pending legal issues that Kamara is currently facing.

[Bruffalo]

On 10/26/2022 at 9:40 AM, Ralonzo said:

I was low-key hoping Antonio Gibson might be odd man out in Washington after Robinson recovered from his walking-around-DC injury, but it looks like it's McKissic who is being phased out (good call staying put, lol).

 

I wonder if Beane would be able to swallow his bile to offer a 6 or 7 for Gibson. Signed through 2023 and could carry the mail should Singletary walk, albeit with long speed. Feels like he's more of a feature option than Duke, where McKissic is a mostly a better version of Duke.

 

Have not vetted for culture fit or anything, just wond'ring aloud.

I think Gibson would be a good fit as well.  

[Norcalbillsfan]

On 10/28/2022 at 7:31 AM, Bruffalo said:

I think Gibson would be a good fit as well.  

And Jeff wilson, low key one of the fastest top speed RBs in the NFL but also has elite cut back skills (unlike brieda who is all speed). And he's 100% a mcd guy. My best friend is a niner season ticket holder and says every game wilson is hyping up the team and always high fiving the defense when they come off, doesn't whine and complain. I think he would be a solid tandem with motor.