Adding a RB

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

“fine”

”okay”

”meh”

 

perfect words to describe singletary

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Singletary is good but he's slow.

 

He'll be limited to short passes and running up the middle.

Any type of toss pitch or running him outside is DOA.

 

Thats why we need to see if Cook can get to the outside or at least give him a chance.

[billsbackto81]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

For someone who was hyped so much coming in he hasn't shown much of anything.

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

For someone who was hyped so much coming in he hasn't shown much of anything.

 

Other than averaging 4.7 yards a carry and being 7th in the NFL in that for RBs with more than 400 carries since he came into the league?

 

Pretty funny how people see things. He hasn't done anything, other than do what he is supposed to do, which is gain yards when running the ball, which the Bills don't do much of to begin with.

 

He also is very effective in pass pro, which is the Bills biggest want for an RB.

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[Nephilim17]

I wasn't a huge fan of Singletary before this year but I am pleasantly surprised at his improved burst and/or vision hitting the holes early.

Regarding his average, however, isn't it very possible it's inflated by playing with Josh Allen? Defenses are totally keying up for the pass and don't mind if Motor "gashes" them for almost five yards a carry.

Also: do you have confidence in Singletary for third and short and goal-line stands? I don't. And I don't want Josh running all the time.

I'm not against Singletary but I would be much more confident with a bigger-bodied back who's good at grinding out the tough short yards. And for not a lot of draft capital — I'm talking something like a sixth rounder. I just know that Moss ain't that short-yardage back.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Nephilim17

[Chicken Boo]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Nice to know a player averaging 4.7 yards per carry over his career is meh.  Meh is what I would use to describe Najeh Harris

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

[billsbackto81]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Other than averaging 4.7 yards a carry and being 7th in the NFL in that for RBs with more than 400 carries since he came into the league?

 

Pretty funny how people see things. He hasn't done anything, other than do what he is supposed to do, which is gain yards when running the ball, which the Bills don't do much of to begin with.

 

He also is very effective in pass pro, which is the Bills biggest want for an RB.

 

I was referring to Najee Harris bud. 😂

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I wasn't a huge fan of Singletary before this year but I am pleasantly surprised at his improved burst and/or vision hitting the holes early.

Regarding his average, however, isn't it very possible it's inflated by playing with Josh Allen? Defenses are totally keying up for the pass and don't mind if Motor "gashes" them for almost five yards a carry.

Also: do you have confidence in Singletary for third and short and goal-line stands? I don't. And I don't want Josh running all the time.

I'm not against Singletary but I would be much more capable with a bigger-bodied back who's good at grinding out the tough short yards. And for not a lot of draft capital — I'm talking something like a sixth rounder. I just know that Moss ain't that short-yardage back.

 

I don't have confidence in the run blocking in short distance running, nothing to do with the backs.  They have been terrible in power situations for years now in terms of offensive line stats and haven't improved much this year. The line is set to pass protect.  Just going to have to live with short yardage run issues.

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

 

He has more career carries than CMC and a higher average...bet you wouldn't have guessed that would you?

[Chicken Boo]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

He has more career carries than CMC and a higher average...bet you wouldn't have guessed that would you?

Without checking, I'm positive that's due to injury and the amount of games CMC has missed.  

 

Surely you aren't suggesting that a healthy Singletary is as good as a healthy McCaffrey - although neither are really short yardage guys which is why Barkley > CMC, but I digress 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Without checking, I'm positive that's due to injury and the amount of games CMC has missed.  

 

Surely you aren't suggesting that a healthy Singletary is as good as a healthy McCaffrey - although neither are really short yardage guys which is why Barkley > CMC, but I digress 

 

No, I am not, but people want to act like Singletary is some scrub back when he has put up very good numbers for us with limited use...why can't people get it through their head the Bills are not interested in becoming some heavy run team?

[Chicken Boo]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, I am not, but people want to act like Singletary is some scrub back when he has put up very good numbers for us with limited use...why can't people get it through their head the Bills are not interested in becoming some heavy run team?

 

I get it and agree that Singletary is a good back - and it's not even so much about being a run heavy offense as it is having a more dynamic guy who's a threat to go yard every time they touch the ball.  

 

I like Devin, but I also feel like the position can and should be upgraded.  The fact that Beane was exploring a trade for McCaffrey let's me know he sees it too.  

 

*and that guy just might be Cook.  We'll see.

Edited October 24, 2022 by Chicken Boo

[Solomon Grundy]

37 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

That's such a misleading stat, given the amount of carries he gets.  

 

Fred Taylor, Dalvin Cook. Tiki Barber, Adrian Peterson, Terrell Davis, etc are all 4.6-4.7 career guys.  Singletary ain't that. 

I'd like to ask one serious question. Wouldn't you like to have a RB that's a threat in the red zone? Just look at what Josh Jacobs is doing in Vegas. 

[Chicken Boo]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I'd like to ask one serious question. Wouldn't you like to have a RB that's a threat in the red zone? Just look at what Josh Jacobs is doing in Vegas. 

 

Of course.  Ideally I'd like an all purpose, 3-down back.  

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

We have what we need in the RB department. If anything another O linemen or maybe another WR with speed. I do not see another spot to waste any effort on. 

[BigAl2526]

I am entirely in favor of adding a quality running back, IF it can be done without spending a lot of draft capital or throwing future cap management out of whack.  I have my doubts that it can be done with those constraints during the season, but if Beane can find the right deal. . .  It's definitely on the table in the next off season.

[Nephilim17]

I'd be in favor of adding a back in the fourth or fifth round next year with good size (220 lb plus) and good but far from elite speed (4.5 to 4.6). Cost-control contract for a few years.

 

Other than a guard and safety, I can't see us having too many needs and I think a bruising back with some decent wheels would be a good lower-round pick. The thunder to Cook's (hopefully speaking as it's unproven) lightning.

[RocCityRoller]

19 minutes ago, HopelessNJBuffaloFan said:

We have what we need in the RB department. If anything another O linemen or maybe another WR with speed. I do not see another spot to waste any effort on. 

S depth would be good. A Dean Marlowe type. Hamlin has been a pleasant surprise. Johnson is limited, not sure about Neal either TBH.

[ColoradoBills]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:03 PM, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Actually the guy that intrigues me at RB is D'Ernest Johnson in Cleveland. He's languishing behind Chubb and Hunt and when given the opportunity has performed well in a poorly run organization. He seems like a process guy and has never had any issues off the field as far as I know.  As a Moss replacement, it might be worth a 6th or 7th.  But I don't think RB is priority one.  I'd like to see us lock in OBJ as our main addition. 
 

 

I don't think there will be a trade for a RB by the deadline.  That said, I would like to see D'Ernest in Buffalo next season.

He's an UFA and wouldn't cost much.  Coming to Buffalo would be at the top of his list.

 

Now, if the Bills do want to bring him in for a 7th, I wouldn't mind it at all.  He is going on 27 but has little wear and tear as a RB.

He is a good general special teamer and can also return KOs and even PR in a pinch.

 

On 10/23/2022 at 6:44 AM, streetkings01 said:

How about we cut Moss and elevate Johnson before he asks for his release?

 

What I have suggested is getting Duke into a game or 2 while still on the PS.  I think this will happen in the coming weeks.

After evaluating those games, a decision on him and Moss longer term could be easier. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If we beat GB Sunday, I’d say there’s a chance Jones becomes available 

[Alphadawg7]

I am totally comfortable with Devin and have enough confidence in him to where I don't feel like we "need" to make a move to win a SB.  He is better than he gets credit for and has done well when given enough touches.  And he is absolutely beloved by Josh and the team.  

 

So for me, the only RB that is being reported as "available" via trade that I would support a trade for (in terms of playing ahead of Devin) is Kareem Hunt.  He could make a bigger impact here than even CMC would have IMHO because he can also be a force between the tackles for tough yards.  Hunt is a legit top 5 RB candidate as as starter, a true 3 down back.  

 

NOTE:  I wouldn't mind the Bills taking a flier and sending a low round pick to LA for Akers.  He at least has starter/backup potential next year after Devin inevitably leaves, assuming Akers can bounce back with a change of scenery and being further removed from his previous injury last year.  So I wouldn't mind that gamble given I don't have a lot of confidence in Moss.  

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

I've said this a couple times already. But the need for a RB is not to replace Devin Singletary or condemning Devin Singletary. He's a decent back. 

 

The need for trading for a RB has to do with the fact that you need more than one decent back. James Cook COULD become that guy in time. But right now he's not acclimating to the game as quickly as I expected. And Zack Moss is not a good change of pace back or the short yardage back we use him for. He puts together a decent Training Camp and Pre-Season than disappears when the real games happen.

 

Singletary can't be on the field every down. And if God forbid he gets injured, we're absolutely nowhere at RB.

[0017]

On 10/21/2022 at 6:42 AM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Still have Moss, Cook, Duke.

 

Each would cost a lot less than McCaffrey.  Can throw in Akers too, even if his stats have been traditionally pretty terrible. 

 

• Gibson - Fast which is a plus.  The minus is his YPC has gone down every year since his rookie year and he got benched for a rookie the first chance they got.  Something amiss here.
• Montgomery - Sure handed, sort of boring.  Ran a 4.63 so... are we just trading for a Zack Moss who gets more touches?
• Robinson - Also a 4.6+ guy.  Sure handed.  I'm not sure he's on the block though.   The jag's arent out of the division race by any means, hell there the only team in that division that has scored more points than they've given up.  Had the Achilles injury a year ago so he's probably a good fit for a timeshare.    
• Akers - Meh, guy doesn't really pop to me.  2.6 yards per carry last year in the playoffs? Yuck.  

 

I would be.  

I get your point about Gibsons decline in production, but I think what’s off there might be Ron and the ownership. Of all the options Gibson too me is one of the best, I love his speed, size, and catching ability. Problem is also can we work a deal with that front office? 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Football said:

I get your point about Gibsons decline in production, but I think what’s off there might be Ron and the ownership. Of all the options Gibson too me is one of the best, I love his speed, size, and catching ability. Problem is also can we work a deal with that front office? 

 

I'm not offering much.  It's moss and a 5th for gibson and a 6th or something like that.  We have the cardinals 5th as well.  The fumbling issue is a big problem, and there sounds to be freelancing issues with regards to play execution.  He aint CMC, and It's a buy low type of situation.

[Stokes84]

That James Robinson trade is exactly the type of trade we should be looking for.  Got get me Gibson for a 5th that can turn into a 4th. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Boom! Running Back is solved!

 

 

 

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Boom! Running Back is solved!

 

 

 

 

 

Love how Gabe goes with it lol. Seems like an awesome dude 

[DieHardBillsFan]

I just want them to use Singletary more. Guy can play!

[Solomon Grundy]

Bills fans, if it didn't happen by now it's not going to happen

[Nephilim17]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Bills fans, if it didn't happen by now it's not going to happen

Not so sure about that. It officially goes till next Tuesday and Beane strikes me as the kind of guy to wait it out to get good value and not give up too much capital.

Yes, he went all out for Miller but we're not getting a Miller now. It might be a decent role player but not a star.

[extrahammer]

I wouldn't mind Khalil Herbert. He's productive, he offers a change of pace with a bigger frame and more of a bulldozer, which is what we lack the most in the run game. And he's cheap. We could probably get him for a 4th or 5th rounder. 

[Einstein's Dog]

12 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Bills fans, if it didn't happen by now it's not going to happen

I'm not giving up hope.  My preference is K Hunt.  The hope is Beane is playing it the way he does, not budging from his price (maybe a 5th).  Cleveland might be holding out trying to get more.  But if no one else goes to them they might come back to us.  

 

The competition looks to have dried up some.  SF is out, NYJ probably done now w the trade.  The only screw ball team I can think of is the Rams who just have a different view on the value of draft picks ,and were allegedly trying for McCaffery.  

[starrymessenger]

15 hours ago, Stokes84 said:

That James Robinson trade is exactly the type of trade we should be looking for.  Got get me Gibson for a 5th that can turn into a 4th. 

If he's fully recovered from injury Jets got a good back for next to nothing. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, extrahammer said:

I wouldn't mind Khalil Herbert. He's productive, he offers a change of pace with a bigger frame and more of a bulldozer, which is what we lack the most in the run game. And he's cheap. We could probably get him for a 4th or 5th rounder. 

Could've drafted him instead of Moss. 

[Warriorspikes51]

I think we'll get Hunt   IF the Bills front office verifies he hasn't gotten into trouble. He made a mistake, could have changed? 

[ColoradoBills]

With Zack Moss's snap count plummeting and him not playing in the KC game I am softening to the idea that Beane

just may get another RB.

 

I'm for it not only for the rest of this season but getting a player in that could stay for next season.

I will admit I don't care for Hunt.

[HeHateMe]

Gibson or Hunt, we are trying to win a superbowl and need every advantage we can get.  3rd and 1 is a struggle and weakness for this team.  We don't want to be slamming Allen into the line all game to get short yardage.  It's an arms race at this point.  Gibson and OBJ would really tilt things in our favor.  KC is still going to be a bear in the playoffs.

[extrahammer]

4 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Could've drafted him instead of Moss. 

 

That's what my roommate reminded me of last night, but you can't expect Beane to be perfect 100% of the time. That being said, he's drafted well IMO. But this is a deal that could probably happen pretty cheap, he's not even starting for the Bears and they seem to really like Montgomery. I'd be fine with a 5th rounder for him, maybe a 4th. Will be interesting to see if Beane does anything, the deadline is a week from today. 

[Scott7975]

On 10/24/2022 at 11:03 AM, Einstein said:

 

“fine”

”okay”

”meh”

 

perfect words to describe singletary

 

Yeah like most of the backs in the league.  The Bills are not going to pay for an elite RB.  The only teams that do that are ones without an elite QB.

On 10/24/2022 at 11:25 AM, Nephilim17 said:

I wasn't a huge fan of Singletary before this year but I am pleasantly surprised at his improved burst and/or vision hitting the holes early.

Regarding his average, however, isn't it very possible it's inflated by playing with Josh Allen? Defenses are totally keying up for the pass and don't mind if Motor "gashes" them for almost five yards a carry.

Also: do you have confidence in Singletary for third and short and goal-line stands? I don't. And I don't want Josh running all the time.

I'm not against Singletary but I would be much more confident with a bigger-bodied back who's good at grinding out the tough short yards. And for not a lot of draft capital — I'm talking something like a sixth rounder. I just know that Moss ain't that short-yardage back.

 

I dont have confidence in our oline for that.  There are very few RBs in the league that I would have confidence in third and short/goaline carries with this oline.  They are that bad.

[Billsfanatixs]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:21 AM, Stokes84 said:

Now that McCaffrey is off the market, I think it’s time to get serious about adding a RB.  A lot of people think it’s about replacing or upgrading Singletary, but to me, it’s about making sure we have the horses to win a game like we lost vs. New England last year. If we lose in the playoffs because the wind is gusting 50 mph in January and we can’t pass the ball, we are going to be kicking ourselves for not bolstering this position.  
 

A couple of options that might be worth exploring:

 

Antonio Gibson

David Montgomery

James Robinson

 

I think each could be available for a mid-round pick, and imo it would be totally worth it.

I'm going to say, if we had any of our past 27 quarterbacks, Devin Singletary would be on his way to a 1400 yard season. The guy hasn't been fed the ball enough to rack up yards for obvious reasons. 

 

I felt like you pre draft, but can you really argue that Devin hasn't produced with the limited touches he gets?

[Nephilim17]

On 10/24/2022 at 5:50 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

I've said this a couple times already. But the need for a RB is not to replace Devin Singletary or condemning Devin Singletary. He's a decent back. 

 

The need for trading for a RB has to do with the fact that you need more than one decent back. James Cook COULD become that guy in time. But right now he's not acclimating to the game as quickly as I expected. And Zack Moss is not a good change of pace back or the short yardage back we use him for. He puts together a decent Training Camp and Pre-Season than disappears when the real games happen.

 

Singletary can't be on the field every down. And if God forbid he gets injured, we're absolutely nowhere at RB.

The comment above is important. A lot of people who still want a good back aren't saying don't give Devin touches. We need more than one decent back. And I for one want a change of pace back with more bulk than Devin.