NewEra Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: This team needs high quality Olinemen, not more RBs. Offensive line, safety and CB seem to be our biggest draft needs next year. Why would corner be a big draft need? Are you smoking crack? OL, WR, S- possibly a LB- possibly another RB late Edited September 29, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Greg S said: They are in a rebuild. They are 2-1 but they are so bad on offense that Schoen may value picks over the player. The Giants are a few years away from contending. Who knows if they want to trade Barkley but it wouldn't surprise me if they do. If they don't want to trade its the Russ Brandon's of the world. Why would you keep him? I'm sure he's worth a 4 to someone. Save the cap money for a player that can help next year, get a pick. get a BETTER draft position, make it so that Daboll can put his best players on the field without outwardly tanking. Does anyone regret moving Sammy here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: "A cut above" is being nice. Motor will NEVER be a 1300 yard, 91 reception back. Yes, but has he ever really been given the chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 With what money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Scanned the thread and am surprised that I can't seem to find this yet...can't we just get Golladay for nothing at this point? Give me that instead. Daboll clearly doesn't like him, send him our way old buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 hours ago, TwistofFate said: This team needs high quality Olinemen, not more RBs. Offensive line, safety and CB seem to be our biggest draft needs next year. I am wondering why corner is on your list we have Elam Binford Jackson Rhodes and of course tray Totally agree with lineman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Nelius said: Scanned the thread and am surprised that I can't seem to find this yet...can't we just get Golladay for nothing at this point? Give me that instead. Daboll clearly doesn't like him, send him our way old buddy HE SUCKS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 8 hours ago, 97bills said: I don’t understand how others don’t see this. Hopeful it gets better It is what it is. Hope won't make the OL better. Beane can with the draft. This upcoming draft I expect OL and safety to be priorities. Poyer and Hyde are both over 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) Trading anything substantial in terms of draft picks for Barkley, or perhaps any RB would be a big mistake. Besides, we need the early draft picks to grab a few safeties and at least 1 corner, all in the early rounds mind you and trading up to do so if necessary. My motto is "secondary first." After all, it works SO well. Edited September 29, 2022 by Bill from NYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I wonder if David Montgomery is another RB that could be traded. UFA and Herbert could be just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 The whole world knows their weakness and they draft Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: Trading anything substantial in terms of draft picks for Barkley, or perhaps any RB would be a big mistake. Besides, we need the early draft picks to grab a few safeties and at least 1 corner, all in the early rounds mind you and trading up to do so if necessary. My motto is "secondary first." After all, it works SO well. the one perk with the expiring contract is we likely get a comp pick later to offset the cost. so if we looked at sending a 3 and getting a 4 back a year later… it’s less painful. A depth player and later pick might even work. one perk being that the players would be familiar with the systems not advocating or even suggesting it happens but a couple minor perks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 We had a Saquan Barkley on the practice squad. He moved to Charlotte. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 I think we should give the Giants whatever they want for their running back... Antonio Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: We had a Saquan Barkley on the practice squad. He moved to Charlotte. And he's killing it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, uninja said: I don’t like it. Injury prone RB in a contract year playing with a limited sample size. We’d be mortgaging future draft picks for a 1 season rental and then surely letting him walk in FA because we don’t have the cap space to pay him the kind of money he could fetch in the open market. It reeks of desperation and of making a move for the sake of making a move. That about sums it up. And considering outside of the Rams game, our line is not getting any push and is not opening holes, so I guess Boomer thinks Barkley is Barry Sanders and can just create something out of nothing. Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 hours ago, Ross Murdock said: To risky. He's never played a full season. Maybe a 4th round pick tops.... Unfortunately, this just shows that the current Bills RB's aren't cutting it. Cook and Singletary need to start stepping up. This Sunday in the wind and rain would be a good start!! That would require the O-line to get some sort of push, which to date, outside the Rams game, have gotten none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Boomer has been a little "off" since Bruce Smith planted him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 21 hours ago, Greg S said: They are 2-1 but they are not a good football team. While their defense has been good the offense is terrible. Schoen and Daboll are looking at a rebuild. Just like Beane and McDermott did when they got here. Beane did trade Sammy Watkins who was one of our better players on offense at the time. Schoen is probably looking to acquire as many picks as possible for a reset/rebuild. Besides the Eagles are winning the division this year anyway unless injuries play a factor. So is the O-line holding out? They are going to open holes and get a push for Barkley, but just don't feel like it for any of the 3 we have? It doesn't matter who's in the backfield if there's nowhere for them to go. 21 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: A lot of people talking **** but I guarantee most of you would be very excited if this happened. Singletary is good, but Barkley (when healthy) is def a cut above. Any slight improvement to our running game would massively help this offense. I’m tired of Josh being the leading passer AND rusher almost every season. Yes, it’s cool for MVP votes, but personally I don’t really care for that stuff. Some of y'all must be watching different games than me because outside of the Rams game, there have been no holes opened up and zero push by this O-line. Unless Barkley can magically block for himself too, how will he even make the slightest bit of difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Maine-iac said: That's last year. He was top ten in yards after contact average at 2.3 which was better than Henry or Barkley (1.7 yac) and the year before he averaged 2.9 after contact which was 3rd in the league. Yes I looked at your tweet and I don't see any definitive evidence he has some kind of cutback there. The DE had contain the whole time. That's what I see. The DE is not blocked there and Singletary would be running right at him if he were to cut it back like people are suggesting. 17 hours ago, Free Speech said: Mortgage the future? If the Bills are in firm contention and can get a player like Barkley - who is plainly better than Singletary and would add another guy teams would actually have to game plan for - Anything short of your first rounder should be on the table. The goal is to win a Super Bowl, your "window" be damned. Kick the door down when you can. So whose blocking for him? Are we getting a new O-line too? There's no holes, no push. What's going to make Barkley successful where are current backs are not? Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Give them Moss and a 5th after they lose the next 2-3 games… Daboll and Schoen love former Bills. 6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: That's what I see. The DE is not blocked there and Singletary would be running right at him if he were to cut it back like people are suggesting. So whose blocking for him? Are we getting a new O-line too? There's no holes, no push. What's going to make Barkley successful where are current backs are not? Idk, but the Giants line is def not better than the Bills when healthy, and dude is still having a resurgence behind it… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: Give them Moss and a 5th after they lose the next 2-3 games… Daboll and Schoen love former Bills. Idk, but the Giants line is def not better than the Bills when healthy, and dude is still having a resurgence behind it… So you're saying Barkley is going to create yardage with no holes and no O-line push? The dude ain't Barry Sanders. It certainly looks like the Giants line is better at run blocking than ours right now. Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, uninja said: I don’t like it. Injury prone RB in a contract year playing with a limited sample size. We’d be mortgaging future draft picks for a 1 season rental and then surely letting him walk in FA because we don’t have the cap space to pay him the kind of money he could fetch in the open market. It reeks of desperation and of making a move for the sake of making a move. How much would you hate it when he's scoring TDs for us? This move makes too much sense to not do and who says it will be a 1 year rental? Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 22 hours ago, Einstein said: I would love that. There was a play during the Miami game where Singletary could have cut outside for a HUGE gain (like 40+ yards). Instead he ran into the tackles butt. Barkley scores on that play. I know exactly what play you're talking about. I Said myself he should have cut that back. Would have easily gotten 30 yards on that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I know exactly what play you're talking about. I Said myself he should have cut that back. Would have easily gotten 30 yards on that He’s typically better with reads than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, MJS said: Do the giants not want him? They are playing well and he is a big part of that. People always act like some teams are just begging to give away their best players to contending teams. Maybe they want to keep him. They are nowhere near a good team. They are playing decently but they still have lot of holes and need draft capital to draft Daniel Jones's replacement next year. Plus, they are still in cap hell and I can't see them signing him to a big extension. Barkley doesn't change much for them Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I know exactly what play you're talking about. I Said myself he should have cut that back. Would have easily gotten 30 yards on that If you completely ignore the unblocked DE, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Billz4ever said: If you completely ignore the unblocked DE, maybe. There was no one there. He just took the handoff and ran right into the center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: They are nowhere near a good team. They are playing decently but they still have lot of holes and need draft capital to draft Daniel Jones's replacement next year. Plus, they are still in cap hell and I can't see them signing him to a bif extension. Barkley doesn't change much for them Don’t think it sends a good message to the locker room though. He’s one, if not, their best player. Sterling Sheppard just went down and is out for the season. Dismantling the team when they’re 2-1 and playing competitively in a weak conference just tells the team that winning is not the point this year. That’s how you lose a locker room and that’s how coaches get fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: There was no one there. He just took the handoff and ran right into the center Nobody there? The DE clearly has contain on that play and is unblocked. Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, uninja said: Don’t think it sends a good message to the locker room though. He’s one, if not, their best player. Sterling Sheppard just went down and is out for the season. Dismantling the team when they’re 2-1 and playing competitively in a weak conference just tells the team that winning is not the point this year. That’s how you lose a locker room and that’s how coaches get fired. I think would understand that for long term, it's better. The Giants may let him walk after the season as well. They should just get something for him Just now, Billz4ever said: Nobody there? The DE clearly has contain on that play. You think Singletary couldn't get around that? Come on. Look at all that open field. Are you kidding me? Saquon cuts that and takes it to the house 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: I think would understand that for long term, it's better. The Giants may let him walk after the season as well. They should just get something for him You think Singletary couldn't get around that? Come on. Look at all that open field. Are you kidding me? Saquon cuts that and takes it to the house So now we're talking hypotheticals. Unblocked DE there waiting for him and we're acting like he's not even there. Easy touchdown. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think would understand that for long term, it's better. The Giants may let him walk after the season as well. They should just get something for him You think Singletary couldn't get around that? Come on. Look at all that open field. Are you kidding me? Saquon cuts that and takes it to the house And how exactly do we afford him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 So, is it official? Is Barkley the new Ertz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: So now we're talking hypotheticals. Unblocked DE there waiting for him and we're acting like he's not even there. Easy touchdown. And how exactly do we afford him? It's not like he had 5 ft of open field. He had about 30 yards of open field from where he was to the sideline. If he can't put his feet in the ground and cut that outside then he shouldn't be playing RB. He also could have just taking the handoff and went right instead of starting inside and bouncing outside. If he just took it and went right, the DE wouldn't have mattered Edited September 29, 2022 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And how exactly do we afford him? Beane could go to Payday Loans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said: It's not like he had 5 ft of open field. He had about 30 yards of open field from where he was to the sideline. If he can't put his feet in the ground and cut that outside then he shouldn't be playing RB Welp, maybe he shouldn't then. The fact of the matter is the line is not opening holes and getting the push how the play is designed. Expecting a back to improvise and turn nothing into something every play is just not a reasonable expectation and signing another back who will have to dodge tackles in the backfield isn't going to fair any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: Welp, maybe he shouldn't then. The fact of the matter is the line is not opening holes and getting the push how the play is designed. Expecting a back to improvise and turn nothing into something every play is just not a reasonable expectation and signing another back who will have to dodge tackles in the backfield isn't going to fair any better. I think a line matters to a degree but the RB matters more. Saquon would make our line matter less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I think a line matters to a degree but the RB matters more. Saquon would make our line matter less You see this guy as Barry Sanders. I see him as another back that will be limited to short yardage gains without any push from the line. You still haven't explained how we afford him this season and even if we somehow could, re-signing him for next year is all but an impossibility with our cap situation. Edited September 29, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: So you're saying Barkley is going to create yardage with no holes and no O-line push? The dude ain't Barry Sanders. It certainly looks like the Giants line is better at run blocking than ours right now. I assure you, the Giants OL, the one with Jon Feliciano as it’s starting C, is not better than Buffalo’s. Bills OL is more than adequate when healthy… I.E., Singletary ypc his entire career… Find me another unit btw that doesn’t struggle when having to trot out their third option at Center in addition to replacing a guard and tacke, in the same game, under extreme heat. This teams biggest problem in the run game right now is it’s inexplicable commitment to run Moss as much as they do. Guy shouldn’t even be on the team. His vision is still garbage, clearly didn’t learn after costing the team the Pats game last year by running straight into a pile when he had a wide open cut back lane for an easy go ahead score. Edited September 29, 2022 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: So you're saying Barkley is going to create yardage with no holes and no O-line push? The dude ain't Barry Sanders. It certainly looks like the Giants line is better at run blocking than ours right now. You’re exaggerating about the O-Line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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