Miami home field sun advantage and why this is wrong on so many levels

[Big Turk]

19 minutes ago, Beast said:

It was no issue when we won there in September last season 35-0.

 

Not every year is going to be the same weather condition wise.  Obviously with the number of heat related issues players were having, and with how many guys talked about how it was one of the worst weather games they have ever been a part of due to the heat and humidity and the sun being out all game, I am pretty sure it was much worse today.

[Tanoros]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

The Heat definitely played a factor in the game but I also think the 63 pass attempts didn’t help either. Diggs was cramping and Olineman were dropping like flies and were so gassed they couldn’t pass protect late in the game. Offense was on the field the majority of the 2nd half 

Of it wasn’t for that errant throw on 4th and goal we win anyway. Our offense couldn’t take deep shots and had to take the short stuff all game. It didn’t help playing that way, but that’s the way Miami played us and we still should have took it. Oh well, of all the ways to lose, that’s about the best you can ask for. 

[Beast]

One way Bills could have helped their own players was to slow the game down. They ran 90 offensive plays. How many of those do you think they took down to under 3 seconds before snapping the ball? Not many. They should have thought of that pre-game. 

 

 

 

 

[Tanoros]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Not every year is going to be the same weather condition wise.  Obviously with the number of heat related issues players were having, and with how many guys talked about how it was one of the worst weather games they have ever been a part of due to the heat and humidity and the sun being out all game, I am pretty sure it was much worse today.

This Bills team got to see the Miami heat like no time before in the Allen/McDermott era. I personally never gave the heat it’s due respect either. Crazy how that worked for the fish. 

[FireChans]

Lmao now we are truly Pats fans. 9-2 in our last 11 against Miami but we have to crusade against the Sun 

Edited September 26, 2022 by FireChans

[Billever76]

12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The Ravens won the super bowl with Trent Fn Dilfer. We have Josh Allen, come on, so tired of this BS. 

Ok but that has totally no relevance to the unfair advantage of one team over another...I mean your comment makes absolutely no sense at all concerning a very valid discussion....anywhere else in the league both teams play on an equal field except here in miami...for one team to be in the shade and 20 degrees cooler all game and the other to be in direct sunlight all game is an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE

[Matt_In_NH]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Why didn't the Bills just bring 30 or 40 pop tents, like tailgaters use, and line the sideline with them?

 

This is what I thought also.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lmao now we are truly Pats fans. 7-1 in our last 8 against Miami but we have to crusade against the Sun 

We should be so lucky. In 2014, the Pats lost week one in the heat in Miami and went on to win the SB. They also lost to a not great KC team in week 4 41-14. 

[Royale with Cheese]

I honestly thought I was going to see Ryan Bates throw up or maybe pass out when he went to a knee.  Turned out it was a head injury but I thought when I was watching it he was suffering big time from heat exhaustion.  

[What a Tuel]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lmao now we are truly Pats fans. 9-2 in our last 11 against Miami but we have to crusade against the Sun 

 

I dont even care about the game result. It seems unwise to have players physically exerting themselves to the limits in what feels like 110-degree weather and then unable to utilize shade when they aren't playing. Recipe for disaster.

 

I mean that is what happened right? The dolphins dont have tents on their side so we couldn't either, but they didn't need it because their side is technically in the shade anyway? I did see people holding tents over Josh Allen from time to time. Is that violating the rule? Or since they are physically holding it, its ok?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

We should be so lucky. In 2014, the Pats lost week one in the heat in Miami and went on to win the SB. They also lost to a not great KC team in week 4 41-14. 

 

LOL I remember that.  I was reading "Brady is done!"   Then he won 3 more Super Bowls after that lol.

[nedboy7]

Lower the temp by 10 degrees and we crush those fools. 

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

This Bills team got to see the Miami heat like no time before in the Allen/McDermott era. I personally never gave the heat it’s due respect either. Crazy how that worked for the fish. 

 

Brilliant stadium design that makes sure 1pm games feature full sun for the opposing team sideline and full shade for the Dolphins' sideline

[cgg716]

1 hour ago, GolfandBills said:

Pretty much the entire month of September and into October is like that there 

Just play at 425, by halftime you're good

[Royale with Cheese]

Jeremy White put up a good point.  The World Cup was moved 6 months because of heat...unsafe to the players playing.

 

https://qz.com/1330558/qatar-world-cup-2022-why-a-winter-tournament-is-the-only-option/

 

 

[mjt328]

Each stadium offers its own level of homefield advantage.

 

For some teams (such as Buffalo), that edge comes from weather.  Our hometown players get used to the snow and wind, while the visiting domed/warm-weather teams often struggle to get acclimated.  They say that Seattle was built to amplify sound, making it incredibly difficult for visiting offenses to communicate.  Denver's stadium is at a higher altitude, which results in lower oxygen levels and causes visiting teams to get gassed more easily.  At the Meadowlands, stadium officials were known to open the tunnel doors when visiting teams were kicking and close them for the Jets/Giants.

 

Normally these types of things don't bother me.  But what I saw yesterday was definitely on a different level.  There were dozens of players going down with heat stroke, heat related illness, etc.  I've never witnessed that in a football game before.  Coaches and players have often talked about the heat-advantage at the Dolphins stadium, but this seemed remarkably unsafe.  Not sure if there is a solution though, other than make Miami play in the later time slot during the early part of the season.

 

[NewEra]

Player safety is at risk due to the design of the stadium. How many Miami players were falling over from exhaustion and cramps? 
 

Definitely the best home field advantage that exists in the nfl 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I dont even care about the game result. It seems unwise to have players physically exerting themselves to the limits in what feels like 110-degree weather and then unable to utilize shade when they aren't playing. Recipe for disaster.

 

I mean that is what happened right? The dolphins dont have tents on their side so we couldn't either, but they didn't need it because their side is technically in the shade anyway? I did see people holding tents over Josh Allen from time to time. Is that violating the rule? Or since they are physically holding it, its ok?

Right because this has been brought up so much over the last 4 years. But we don’t care about the loss. Lmao

[PetermansRedemption]

If Miami wants to continue with this stadium design then the sides of the field

should be decided by a pregame coin flip. See how fast they change it then. 

[HamSandwhich]

I am worried about what we will see on the injury report this week…

[Dr.Sack]

In hindsight we should have travelled to SFL earlier in the week, brought A/C benches with a overhead shade, and considered rotating our OL like we do our DL. 

[jkeerie]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Player safety is at risk due to the design of the stadium. How many Miami players were falling over from exhaustion and cramps? 
 

Definitely the best home field advantage that exists in the nfl 

Rex Ryan was just talking about that on Get Up...that the Dolphins do have the best home field advantage and he pointed out the sidelines.  The opposing team sits in the sun the entire time even when they're resting...so your body never really can recover after being on the field.

[Lost]

10 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Each stadium offers its own level of homefield advantage.

 

For some teams (such as Buffalo), that edge comes from weather.  Our hometown players get used to the snow and wind, while the visiting domed/warm-weather teams often struggle to get acclimated.  They say that Seattle was built to amplify sound, making it incredibly difficult for visiting offenses to communicate.  Denver's stadium is at a higher altitude, which results in lower oxygen levels and causes visiting teams to get gassed more easily.  At the Meadowlands, stadium officials were known to open the tunnel doors when visiting teams were kicking and close them for the Jets/Giants.

 

Normally these types of things don't bother me.  But what I saw yesterday was definitely on a different level.  There were dozens of players going down with heat stroke, heat related illness, etc.  I've never witnessed that in a football game before.  Coaches and players have often talked about the heat-advantage at the Dolphins stadium, but this seemed remarkably unsafe.  Not sure if there is a solution though, other than make Miami play in the later time slot during the early part of the season.

 

 

Home field advantage should mostly come down to crowd noise.   Having one team being more adept at playing under certain conditions is fine.  But yesterday these teams were not playing under the same conditions.   a zero degree game in buffalo in December is not the same.  Both teams are out there in it and there's not any temperature difference from one sideline to the other.    Yesterday there's reports of temperature readings in excess of 20 degrees difference from Miami to Buffalo Sideline.  

Edited September 26, 2022 by Lost

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Right because this has been brought up so much over the last 4 years. But we don’t care about the loss. Lmao

It’s not always 90+ degrees in the stadium. When it is- it’s a clear advantage.  Do you disagree? 
 

The visiting teams players safety is at risk 

when temperatures reach 90+, while the home teams players are at lesser risk. Player safety should be equal.  In that stadium, under certain conditions, it isn’t equal.  Player safety comes first.  
 

But apparently not when playing in Miami when its 90 degrees.  The home team has a decided advantage.  
 

this isn’t about wins and losses.  You may claim that it is, but you’re wrong.  Per usual. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, dirtybills said:

This is some of the softest crap I have ever seen and this is why this franchise won't win the big one. We are talking about elite athletes that played on a hot day.

 

Training staff should have had them better prepared. Same tired team at the end of Chiefs game.

 

High school teams and college teams playing during the day all the time here and have way less cramping compared to a pro team.

 

Team is really a reflection of the fat soft Buffalo fan base.

 

Lay off the wings and eat a vegetable and maybe you will be in better condition to handle the heat.

 

Also, Bills fans how smelly was you 23.00 Spirit flights home? We know you didn't pay for the extra night to shower before flying home.

 

 

 

LOL

 

Dolphins players were cramping as well and they were in the shade.  

 

Did you notice we didn't lose defensive players during the cramping?  It was because our offense was out there twice as long.

 

And no, you cannot practice in the state of Georgia if the field is above 90 degrees because kids have died and why they put in that rule.

[Beast]

9 minutes ago, dirtybills said:

This is some of the softest crap I have ever seen and this is why this franchise won't win the big one. We are talking about elite athletes that played on a hot day.

 

Training staff should have had them better prepared. Same tired team at the end of Chiefs game.

 

High school teams and college teams playing during the day all the time here and have way less cramping compared to a pro team.

 

Team is really a reflection of the fat soft Buffalo fan base.

 

Lay off the wings and eat a vegetable and maybe you will be in better condition to handle the heat.

 

Also, Bills fans how smelly was you 23.00 Spirit flights home? We know you didn't pay for the extra night to shower before flying home.

 

 

 

Want to fight? 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, dirtybills said:

This is some of the softest crap I have ever seen and this is why this franchise won't win the big one. We are talking about elite athletes that played on a hot day.

 

Training staff should have had them better prepared. Same tired team at the end of Chiefs game.

 

High school teams and college teams playing during the day all the time here and have way less cramping compared to a pro team.

 

Team is really a reflection of the fat soft Buffalo fan base.

 

Lay off the wings and eat a vegetable and maybe you will be in better condition to handle the heat.

 

Also, Bills fans how smelly was you 23.00 Spirit flights home? We know you didn't pay for the extra night to shower before flying home.

 

 

Hope you enjoyed your stay. 👋🏻 

[Playoffs?]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The Fish make Belicheat look like Honest Abe.  Building the stadium that way was no accident.  Next-level cheating.

Can’t call it cheating.  To me it’s genius if you’re looking for a homefield advantage. Don’t get me wrong, I hate that the Sun impacted our guys like that. It really made a huge difference. 
 

But if it’s not against the rules, it’s not cheating. It’s simply an incredible homefield advantage. Really no way for Buffalo to gain that kind of mid-game weather advantage.  I’m sure none of us would complain if there was a way to do so. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

 

Want to fight? 

 

How much do you think he can bench?

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

I generally agree and at large it doesn’t bother me. But a 30 degree temperature advantage where away team is at 112 degrees in the sun and the rules say no cooling fans/benches is wild. 
 

Most games aren’t as dangerous as it was yesterday. There has to be a league rule in the hot or cold so that when things are dangerous teams can at least have safety measures like fans. 

 

This.  I dont mind the team has the sun advantage.  When it comes to actual player safety though then they need to be allowed to do what it takes.  If they arent allowed cooling misters and stuff then thats just plain wrong.  Just like if teams come here in super cold temps then I expect the visiting team should have the same heated benches and heaters on the sideline that our team does.  If weather is a bigger issue then games should be postponed.  Hell it wasnt even safe for the fans.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s not always 90+ degrees in the stadium. When it is- it’s a clear advantage.  Do you disagree? 
 

The visiting teams players safety is at risk 

when temperatures reach 90+, while the home teams players are at lesser risk. Player safety should be equal.  In that stadium, under certain conditions, it isn’t equal.  Player safety comes first.  
 

But apparently not when playing in Miami when its 90 degrees.  The home team has a decided advantage.  
 

this isn’t about wins and losses.  You may claim that it is, but you’re wrong.  Per usual. 

Lol I go almost every year.  Wrong per usual lmao

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202109190mia.htm

 

89 degrees, relative humidity 59%, wind 7 mph

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202009200mia.htm

 

90 degrees, relative humidity 68%, wind 5 mph

 

So besides all that....

 

What was the temperature yesterday?  88 at kickoff.

 

Wimpy ass Pats fan crybabies I swear lol.

 

[boyst]

You can protect yourself from cold a whole lot more than heat. It's that simple. We don't have the same advantage in a 0° game as the Fins do in a 100° game.

 

Not saying it's a valid reason to B word but remember, Tom Brady is a piece of dog *****. 

[What a Tuel]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Right because this has been brought up so much over the last 4 years. But we don’t care about the loss. Lmao

 

It wasn't brought up because we didnt see this effect on players during the game in the past 4 years. The real feel temperature was in the 100's.

 

2018: 12/02 85 degrees

2019: 11/17 64 degrees

2020: 9/20 77 degrees

2021: 9/19 81 degrees

2022: 9/26 89 degrees

[Freddie's Dead]

9 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Can’t call it cheating.  To me it’s genius if you’re looking for a homefield advantage. Don’t get me wrong, I hate that the Sun impacted our guys like that. It really made a huge difference. 
 

But if it’s not against the rules, it’s not cheating. It’s simply an incredible homefield advantage. Really no way for Buffalo to gain that kind of mid-game weather advantage.  I’m sure none of us would complain if there was a way to do so. 

 

It's cheating as *****.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

It wasn't brought up because we didnt see this effect on players during the game in the past 4 years. The real feel temperature was in the 100's.

 

2018: 12/02 85 degrees

2019: 11/17 64 degrees

2020: 9/20 77 degrees

2021: 9/19 81 degrees

2022: 9/26 89 degrees

 

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lol I go almost every year.  Wrong per usual lmao

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202109190mia.htm

 

89 degrees, relative humidity 59%, wind 7 mph

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202009200mia.htm

 

90 degrees, relative humidity 68%, wind 5 mph

 

So besides all that....

 

What was the temperature yesterday?  88 at kickoff.

 

Wimpy ass Pats fan crybabies I swear lol.

 

 

[Playoffs?]

Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

It's cheating as *****.

Dude I’m mad as well…. But it’s not cheating. It’s a dirty and unsafe homefield advantage. 

[What a Tuel]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Lol I go almost every year.  Wrong per usual lmao

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202109190mia.htm

 

89 degrees, relative humidity 59%, wind 7 mph

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202009200mia.htm

 

90 degrees, relative humidity 68%, wind 5 mph

 

So besides all that....

 

What was the temperature yesterday?  88 at kickoff.

 

Wimpy ass Pats fan crybabies I swear lol.

 

 

Wrong.

 

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/fl/miami/KMIA/date/2020-9-20

https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/us/fl/miami/KMIA/date/2021-9-19

 

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by What a Tuel

[GolfandBills]

32 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

Just play at 425, by halftime you're good

I doubt that makes a difference.  If you look at the hourly the heat was pretty much the same until about 7:00.  Then it slowly started going down. 

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I will say living in Florida myself this is a big disadvantage.  The Bills should have figured out something to counteract that sun

 

 

[boyst]

If we would have got that pass to McKenzie, or a game winning field goal this thread has 3 pages and two of them about Edmunds.