Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

No, it's only problematic because "you" perceive it to be.  I disagree.   As I stated before, many insults and derogatory terms have been around society so long that they are universally applied and their original meaning has little relevance today.   It's todays generations who want to psychoanalyze everything to find hidden offensiveness like how salt is racist.   

 

Some words/phrases do tend to universally agreed on by society to be too egregious and are eventually phased out.  This usually happens over several generations however.  I'd say the term "eat a d*ck" isn't quite there yet but probably on its way out based on reading this thread.  As someone who grew up listening to 90's rap however, to me they are just words. 

 

It is not only me who perceives it to be. You disagree, of course you are entitled to. But to some of us the offensiveness isn't hidden. Not at all. To you they might just be words.... not everyone's lived experience is the same as yours. 

[78thealltimegreat]

11 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

You do know we’re 0-2 in the division right?

You do know both of those where road games that we in fact lead in the 4th quarter and in the first one they where missing 10 starters right? 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

The purpose of an insult is generally to accuse people of something they are not so it gets under their skin.   Some insults have become so universally used in society that their original meaning has no relevance.   Brits like to throw around the C*nt word a lot and use it indiscriminately towards people of any gender or sexual orientation.    

 

No relevance to whom? 

 

Maybe the women of GB have opinions about using a synonym for ***** as a way to denigrate or insult someone.  Maybe they don't make a fuss because they need to "go along to get along" and Pick their Battles, doesn't make it right.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2022 by Beck Water

[djp14150]

My two bit coins?.. I know it’s worthless….

 

Lamar is liked, but he isn’t the brightest bulb.

 

when he was out injured, the team was still competitive which says how much of it is it system vs player.

 

as a free agent, I don’t think he will get as many buyers.  Many teams passed over him as a QB.  You see with Wilson failing in denver it amplifies the system fit vs raw skill.

 

 

 

 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

7 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

My two bit coins?.. I know it’s worthless….

 

Lamar is liked, but he isn’t the brightest bulb.

 

when he was out injured, the team was still competitive which says how much of it is it system vs player.

 

as a free agent, I don’t think he will get as many buyers.  Many teams passed over him as a QB.  You see with Wilson failing in denver it amplifies the system fit vs raw skill.

 

 

 

 

 

Reminds me a little bit of Roscoe Parrish. 

 

Lamar is unquestionably very important to the Ravens success. They started 8-4 last year with him as QB and when they had to rely on backups they went 0-5 down the stretch (even if they kept the games close). 

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Deshaun Watson got a fully guaranteed mega deal with lawsuits from 22 women for sexual assault... you think a tweet is going to cost him money? 

Lol in 2022 S-A is less of a big deal than "homophobic remarks"

[Gugny]

25 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Reminds me a little bit of Roscoe Parrish. 

 

Lamar is unquestionably very important to the Ravens success. They started 8-4 last year with him as QB and when they had to rely on backups they went 0-5 down the stretch (even if they kept the games close). 

 

How does he remind you of Roscoe Parrish?

[BillsShredder83]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

How does he remind you of Roscoe Parrish?

Wondered the same thing lol seem pretty different, although I wasn't really old enough to understand what his MO was coming out of the draft, so probably a scheme fit comment 

[Nephilim17]

I always find it interesting when people defend a certain phrase as not being insulting — but they are not members of the group the phrase is argued to be insulting to.

 

Let's ask gay people if they find the phrase "eat a d***" insulting, not straight people.

 

At one time, some racist white people tried to argue the N-bomb was not racially targeted and could be applied to white people. Well, that argument didn't last and I don't think too many black people (some feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption) agreed with it.

 

Don't assume that a phrase isn't hurtful if you're not part of the target group that some maintain it's hurtful to. White people shouldn't tell black people what should or shouldn't hurt them; straight people shouldn't tell gay people what's hurtful to them.

 

I think it might just be common human decency. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

I always find it interesting when people defend a certain phrase as not being insulting — but they are not members of the group the phrase is argued to be insulting to.

 

If you really do find this interesting, you are going to LOVE it here.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

How does he remind you of Roscoe Parrish?

 

As I highlighted in the post I responded to...he's not the brightest bulb.

 

I'm not trying to say that Lamar's football IQ is as low as Roscoe. He definitely understands the game at a high level. 

 

Just saying I don't think either guy would've received an academic scholarship if football fell through. 

[Gugny]

Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

As I highlighted in the post I responded to...he's not the brightest bulb.

 

I'm not trying to say that Lamar's football IQ is as low as Roscoe. He definitely understands the game at a high level. 

 

Just saying I don't think either guy would've received an academic scholarship if football fell through. 

 

I don't recall Roscoe Parrish displaying any semblance of stupidity the way Lamar Jackson does every time he opens his mouth or tries to write a sentence in English.

[Beck Water]

49 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

My two bit coins?.. I know it’s worthless….

 

Lamar is liked, but he isn’t the brightest bulb.

 

when he was out injured, the team was still competitive which says how much of it is it system vs player.

 

as a free agent, I don’t think he will get as many buyers.  Many teams passed over him as a QB.  You see with Wilson failing in denver it amplifies the system fit vs raw skill.

 

The Ravens were 7-5 with Lamar vs 1-4 without him last year.  Maybe we should ask "what does competitive mean to you?"

 

As a free agent, in a league where dual threat QB like Hurts are mopping up and Nathan Peterman is still being activated on gameday, I think the market for Lamar as a FA would be huge, but I don't think it's gonna happen.  The Ravens will franchise him if need be.

 

Wilson is crapping the bed in Denver for the same reason he crapped the bed in Seattle:

1) he got a swelled head and became uncoachable.  "Let Russ Cook" "I'm the best QB in the league".  He decided he no longer needed to play within the offense and follow the design of a play, he knew better.

2) a lot of Wilson's success was built on mobility and the ability to create outside of structure and that seems to be gone

In addition:

3) he's playing hurt.  People expect QB to be bionic if they're out there, but if the football is a fraction off at the QB's shoulder, it's gonna be a couple of feet off at the target and that's the difference between completions, drops, or picks.

4) Wilson doesn't seem to have won the hearts of the receiving corps there in Denver and they're making 'career decisions' instead of climbing the ladder or laying out

 

So far, Lamar seems willing to follow the design of his offense and is still in his prime for mobility.  Big difference between 34 and 26 there.  He's also by all accounts a supremely likeable guy his teammates go hard for.

[Lost]

10 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I always find it interesting when people defend a certain phrase as not being insulting — but they are not members of the group the phrase is argued to be insulting to.

 

Let's ask gay people if they find the phrase "eat a d***" insulting, not straight people.

 

At one time, some racist white people tried to argue the N-bomb was not racially targeted and could be applied to white people. Well, that argument didn't last and I don't think too many black people (some feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption) agreed with it.

 

Don't assume that a phrase isn't hurtful if you're not part of the target group that some maintain it's hurtful to. White people shouldn't tell black people what should or shouldn't hurt them; straight people shouldn't tell gay people what's hurtful to them.

 

I think it might just be common human decency. 

 

Is Lamar Jackson allowed to be offended if someone calls him trash?   

[Gugny]

14 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

As I highlighted in the post I responded to...he's not the brightest bulb.

 

I'm not trying to say that Lamar's football IQ is as low as Roscoe. He definitely understands the game at a high level. 

 

Just saying I don't think either guy would've received an academic scholarship if football fell through. 

 

I'm gonna go ahead and take back what I said about Roscoe ...

 

https://www.tmz.com/watch/090519-roscoe-parrish-4626502-0-4klzkdzx/

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Is Lamar Jackson allowed to be offended if someone calls him trash?   

 

Yes, of course he is. I don't think as a professional he should respond in any way to that but of course he is allowed to be offended. But his response is not the same. It doesn't only insult the person to whom he is responding it insults a group of other people in society too. I said it in my very first post after the tweet, if he had left it at "MF never smelt a football field" it would still be an ill-advised, unprofessional, response. But it would not have been as bad as throwing an offensive slur that is demeaning to gay men in. 

[boyst]

36 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

How does he remind you of Roscoe Parrish?

more aaron schoebel if you ask me. or pete metzalaars.

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is not only me who perceives it to be. You disagree, of course you are entitled to. But to some of us the offensiveness isn't hidden. Not at all. To you they might just be words.... not everyone's lived experience is the same as yours. 

There are roughly 8 billion people on Earth.  Each of those people has a different lived experience.  If your expectations are for everyone to think through everything they say/write before doing so, in case it will offend one or more of those 8 billion, I have a pretty big spoiler alert for you.  Can you guess it?

 

IMO it was not a good idea for Lamar to respond at all.  Given that he decided to respond, IMO he chose the content of his response poorly.  I’m not a fan of his response.  I also have no right to decide if or how he speaks.
 

Is there ANY reason to think his response was in ANY way directed at anyone other than one person?  It may show some underlying prejudice Lamar harbors, or he may just think of it as his version of “go jump in a lake”, but it is clear it was directed at one person and one person only.

 

There are roughly 8 billion people on Earth.  If each of us truly want to look into the hearts of the other 7.9999999B and demand no one think or say anything offensive, that will be an effort in futility.  
 

I am not a fan of lumping people into groups and try my best to view everyone as an individual.  I get that people have been oppressed because of their membership in a group throughout the course of history. I think we as a species will eventually be able to overcome this, but it won’t be immediate and won’t be easy even if that would be beneficial.  Assuming Lamar Jackson harbors animosity toward an entire group because of words he typed to one person, does not help move the ball forward IMO.  It moves it backward.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

There are roughly 8 billion people on Earth.  Each of those people has a different lived experience.  If your expectations are for everyone to think through everything they say/write before doing so, in case it will offend one or more of those 8 billion, I have a pretty big spoiler alert for you.  Can you guess it?

 

IMO it was not a good idea for Lamar to respond at all.  Given that he decided to respond, IMO he chose the content of his response poorly.  I’m not a fan of his response.  I also have no right to decide if or how he speaks.
 

Is there ANY reason to think his response was in ANY way directed at anyone other than one person?  It may show some underlying prejudice Lamar harbors, or he may just think of it as his version of “go jump in a lake”, but it is clear it was directed at one person and one person only.

 

There are roughly 8 billion people on Earth.  If each of us truly want to look into the hearts of the other 7.9999999B and demand no one think or say anything offensive, that will be an effort in futility.  
 

I am not a fan of lumping people into groups and try my best to view everyone as an individual.  I get that people have been oppressed because of their membership in a group throughout the course of history. I think we as a species will eventually be able to overcome this, but it won’t be immediate and won’t be easy even if that would be beneficial.  Assuming Lamar Jackson harbors animosity toward an entire group because of words he typed to one person, does not help move the ball forward IMO.  It moves it backward.

 

I don't assume that. But that does not change my view on what he said at all. It was offensive and demeaning to gay men. He should not have said it, he should be called out for saying it. Rather than the "storm in a teacup" crowd who essentially give it a pass. I haven't called for him to be banished from the NFL, or even sanctioned. I have said it is not okay and also not a good look for a man trying to convince his franchise he is the mature face of the franchise leader they should commit a fully guaranteed long term contract to. 

[GoBills808]

Nobody cares how Lamar actually feels about gay people. It's irrelevant to the fact he directed a homophobic slur at someone on Twitter.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Nobody cares how Lamar actually feels about gay people. It's irrelevant to the fact he directed a homophobic slur at someone on Twitter.

 

It always reminds me of the defence of the soccer player who just smashed an opponent's leg into pieces that will take them a year and a half to come back from with a reckless challenge when the assailant's manager says "he is not that kind of player." 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

27 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't recall Roscoe Parrish displaying any semblance of stupidity the way Lamar Jackson does every time he opens his mouth or tries to write a sentence in English.

 

I have fond memories of listening to Roscoe Parrish post game interviews as a kid. Almost incomprehensible world salad. Doesn't help that he had a thick accent 

 

He's probably lucky his career was pre-twitter (or maybe he would've been smart enough to avoid it altogether) 

[Jauronimo]

55 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Lol in 2022 S-A is less of a big deal than "homophobic remarks"

What are you even talking about? Deshaun was suspended and his story dominated the media cycle for months.  Seasoned Browns fans abandoned the franchise and they went from lovable losers to league villains.  24 hours later, no one really cares about what Lamar said and there will be no punishment.  There is no comparison.

[stinky finger]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It always reminds me of the defence of the soccer player who just smashed an opponent's leg into pieces that will take them a year and a half to come back from with a reckless challenge when the assailant's manager says "he is not that kind of player." 

interesting analogy in that all those who claim to be offended are like the “floppers” in soccer. You’d swear they all had their legs smashed into pieces. 
 

I digress - Lamar should simply not have responded in the manner he did.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, of course he is. I don't think as a professional he should respond in any way to that but of course he is allowed to be offended. But his response is not the same. It doesn't only insult the person to whom he is responding it insults a group of other people in society too. I said it in my very first post after the tweet, if he had left it at "MF never smelt a football field" it would still be an ill-advised, unprofessional, response. But it would not have been as bad as throwing an offensive slur that is demeaning to gay men in. 

Who is putting football fields on iron deposits and small fish?

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't assume that. But that does not change my view on what he said at all. It was offensive and demeaning to gay men. He should not have said it, he should be called out for saying it. Rather than the "storm in a teacup" crowd who essentially give it a pass. I haven't called for him to be banished from the NFL, or even sanctioned. I have said it is not okay and also not a good look for a man trying to convince his franchise he is the mature face of the franchise leader they should commit a fully guaranteed long term contract to. 

I agree he shouldn’t have said it.  I agree it’s not a good look.

 

Where I disagree is the “calling out” part….not entirely, just to a degree.  We need to get to a point where we just shake our heads and think “idiot”.   Some measure of public shaming is useful in some circumstances, but assuming he harbors deep seeded hatred and “calling him out” for it, labeling him a homophobe and/or demanding apologies/re-education, etc. is over the top and can cause unnecessary backlash.  He said something idiotic that wasn’t directed gay men in general.  He didn’t think it through.  
 

Expecting all people think through everything they say is incredibly unrealistic.  Think about your normal day.  What percentage of your sentences are truly thought out?  Be honest.  I don’t mean just potentially offensive things, I mean anything.  People are not wired to have all measured and thought out logic before speaking at all times.  Being offended by that isn’t always well thought out either.  Don’t get me wrong, there are times to be offended, it’s just that it happens way too often IMO.  

If we don’t get to the point where we’re ignoring most idiotic things or writing them off to temporary….or permanent….idiocy of an individual, we’ll go in these counterproductive circles forever, especially as technology becomes even more pervasive and there are more offensive things to be found.  Assuming ill intent/xyzaphobia rather than looking for real evidence of it, is a bad idea.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I agree he shouldn’t have said it.  I agree it’s not a good look.

 

Where I disagree is the “calling out” part….not entirely, just to a degree.  We need to get to a point where we just shake our heads and think “idiot”.   Some measure of public shaming is useful in some circumstances, but assuming he harbors deep seeded hatred and “calling him out” for it, labeling him a homophobe and/or demanding apologies/re-education, etc. is over the top and can cause unnecessary backlash.  He said something idiotic that wasn’t directed gay men in general.  He didn’t think it through.  
 

Expecting all people think through everything they say is incredibly unrealistic.  Think about your normal day.  What percentage of your sentences are truly thought out?  Be honest.  I don’t mean just potentially offensive things, I mean anything.  People are not wired to have all measured and thought out logic before speaking at all times.  Being offended by that isn’t always well thought out either.  Don’t get me wrong, there are times to be offended, it’s just that it happens way too often IMO.  

If we don’t get to the point where we’re ignoring most idiotic things or writing them off to temporary….or permanent….idiocy of an individual, we’ll go in these counterproductive circles forever, especially as technology becomes even more pervasive and there are more offensive things to be found.  Assuming ill intent/xyzaphobia rather than looking for real evidence of it, is a bad idea.

 

I disagree. We need to keep calling it out. Relentlessly. The "shrug your shoulders" attitude does nothing to drive meaningful change. You don't get to decide when other people are allowed to be offended. What Lamar said was offensive. Whether he actually thinks that or not is totally irrelevant. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by GunnerBill

[What a Tuel]

44 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I always find it interesting when people defend a certain phrase as not being insulting — but they are not members of the group the phrase is argued to be insulting to.

 

Let's ask gay people if they find the phrase "eat a d***" insulting, not straight people.

 

At one time, some racist white people tried to argue the N-bomb was not racially targeted and could be applied to white people. Well, that argument didn't last and I don't think too many black people (some feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption) agreed with it.

 

Don't assume that a phrase isn't hurtful if you're not part of the target group that some maintain it's hurtful to. White people shouldn't tell black people what should or shouldn't hurt them; straight people shouldn't tell gay people what's hurtful to them.

 

I think it might just be common human decency. 

 

The insult lies with telling someone to go do something that would not be within their preferred range.....not really anything to do with a specific group of people.

 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree. We need to keep calling it out. Relentlessly. The "shrug your shoulders" attitude does nothing to drive meaningful change. 

 

OR .... maybe the gay guys who are offended by things like this can just stop being gay!

 

@Jauronimo - Where are we with that patch?  We're a decade in!!

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The insult lies with telling someone to go do something that would not be within their preferred range.....not really anything to do with a specific group of people.

 

But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. 

[Lost]

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes, of course he is. I don't think as a professional he should respond in any way to that but of course he is allowed to be offended. But his response is not the same. It doesn't only insult the person to whom he is responding it insults a group of other people in society too. I said it in my very first post after the tweet, if he had left it at "MF never smelt a football field" it would still be an ill-advised, unprofessional, response. But it would not have been as bad as throwing an offensive slur that is demeaning to gay men in. 

 

Just about every insult or slur is going to be offensive to someone or some group in some form or another if we dig deep enough.  It would be nice to live in a society where people didn't insult each other, but until we're all a bunch of drugged up mindless robots, fear, greed, anger, envy are all real human emotions and backlash is normal human behavior.   Every one of us has said things we've regretted in life.  Lamar said what he said, he then deleted the tweet.  Forgive, forget and move on.   The internet has become a little too preachy in my opinion. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The insult lies with telling someone to go do something that would not be within their preferred range.....not really anything to do with a specific group of people.

 

 

Exactly , not much different than if Lamar told him to eat 💩 or to kiss his posterior. To MOST people this would be an insult. That a few who may feel differently are unhappy about this being perceived as insulting is a nothing burger. Doesn’t matter and a giant “ don’t care”. 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. 

Not offensive to anyone but that guy. It was an insult not a bouquet. The issue is should the pro jock lash out on twitter, not what insult he decided to throw at the guy. 

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree. We need to keep calling it out. Relentlessly. The "shrug your shoulders" attitude does nothing to drive meaningful change. You don't get to decide when other people are allowed to be offended. What Lamar said was offensive. Whether he actually thinks that or not is totally irrelevant. 

This is the problem. We keep putting value in victim statuses. Ignore the asshats and move on. The people who get joy out of being white knights are tools, the pleasure people get in screaming at others over such things are the worst of people. 

 

With tic TOC and the term Karen and all the ***** in this world it's ridiculous. That barstool said Lamar "bodied" the guy is a hilarious. Little Joe nobody said something innocuous on the internet. Lamar Jackson, big dumb sportsball man gets kerfuffled and responds like big dumb sportsball mans do. Lamar is just big dumb sportsball man.

 

Also, on the value scale of victim status, it's hilarious that Jackson is a minority himself attacking a "marginalized" group.

[stinky finger]

8 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Just about every insult or slur is going to be offensive to someone or some group in some form or another if we dig deep enough.  It would be nice to live in a society where people didn't insult each other, but until we're all a bunch of drugged up mindless robots, fear, greed, anger, envy are all real human emotions and backlash is normal human behavior.   Every one of us has said things we've regretted in life.  Lamar said what he said, he then deleted the tweet.  Forgive, forget and move on.   The internet has become a little too preachy in my opinion. 

forgive and forget has been replaced with remember and vilify.

 

there are plenty of dumb things said by us all. Just be prepared to face the spotlight and those who won’t let it go. 
 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

 

Not offensive to anyone but that guy. It was an insult not a bouquet. The issue is should the pro jock lash out on twitter, not what insult he decided to throw at the guy. 

 

This is not correct.

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

This is the problem. We keep putting value in victim statuses. Ignore the asshats and move on. The people who get joy out of being white knights are tools, the pleasure people get in screaming at others over such things are the worst of people. 

 

With tic TOC and the term Karen and all the ***** in this world it's ridiculous. That barstool said Lamar "bodied" the guy is a hilarious. Little Joe nobody said something innocuous on the internet. Lamar Jackson, big dumb sportsball man gets kerfuffled and responds like big dumb sportsball mans do. Lamar is just big dumb sportsball man.

 

Also, on the value scale of victim status, it's hilarious that Jackson is a minority himself attacking a "marginalized" group.

 

No attempt to be a white knight here. Just a desire for that sort of offensive crap to be called out when it happens. I don't want to be a victim. But I have been victimised. I know what it feels like. I have seen friends end up in hospital. I won't stand by and watch it. Sorry if that annoys you. 

[wjag]

51 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

There are roughly 8 billion people on Earth.  

 

 

 

Just broke 8 billion last week...

 

NEW YORK (CBS) - The world's population has now reached an estimated 8 billion people. The honor of the 8-billionth person goes to a baby born in the Dominican Republic Tuesday. A projection from the United Nations calls the birth a "milestone in human development."Nov 16, 2022

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

This is not correct.

Maybe , but that is absolutely the part that doesn’t matter. If Lamar says to eat 💩 to a fan, that’s bad behavior. Not because it may make a few who enjoy doing this uneasy or mad. After some of these responses I actually like Lamar a little bit more than I did before. 

[What a Tuel]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. 

 

I am not sure how finding something unappealing offends someone who finds the same thing appealing?

 

Do you think if Lamar would have thought the guy was homosexual, he would have made the same joke? Nope. Not a chance. Same with a woman.

 

Why would that be? Because it is demeaning to someone who does not prefer that.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

I am not sure how finding something unappealing offends someone who finds the same thing appealing?

 

Do you think if Lamar would have thought the guy was homosexual, he would have made the same joke? Nope. Not a chance. Same with a woman.

 

Why would that be? Because it is demeaning to someone who does not prefer that.

 

Because when as a gay man someone thinks "suck dick" is a way to insult a straight man they do it because they think being a gay man is lesser than being a straight man and that is why the straight man will be insulted by it. 

[ArtVandalay]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And the inference that it should "get under someone's skin" to be accused of being gay because being gay is something they should be somehow ashamed of is problematic. What Lamar said was not okay.

Oh stop this is beyond ridiculous.  The same line he said is always said towards women as well and also considered offensive. It's not in any way a anti-gay thing its just a purely offensive thing to say towards a man or woman and a statement of blatant disrespect. 

 

I'm sure if someone told your wife mother, or daughter to bleep a bleep you and she would both be highly offended. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by ArtVandalay