Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, mikef272002 said:

"Alleges". Have you heard the other side?  Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  Maybe he noticed she was drunk and layed her on the bed, not knowing these guys were going to rape her. I'm just saying, lets hear the other side before we rush to judgment.  If in fact there is more and he is guilty of something this bad, then I agree he will need to be cut, never play in the NFL again, and face the courts. 

I agree, I’m just saying the allegations are more than what I saw in your original post - apologies if I misread or missed a bit.

[1ManRaid]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The victim alleges he took her to the room where the other guys were and, I believe, joined in.

 

Yeah, and sometimes people lie or are mistaken and misremember details after a traumatic event.  Maybe, considering the claims she was roofied, she only remembered having sex with Araiza before getting roofied, and then her brain incorrectly assumed he was involved in the rape and pieced together a false memory she convinced herself was true.  It happens all the time.  WE DON'T KNOW.  It's possible she's 100% true, it's possible she's 100% false.  WE DON'T KNOW.

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

How can they possibly be 100% sold on his innocence? Is Beane a psychic?

 

It makes sense now that Araiza was the third punter taken.

Because in this country we start with innocence. 

 

Your question needs to be flipped. They have to be 100% sure of his guilt.  Reasonable doubt in a criminal complaint is 100% innocent.  

 

That's how. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Who's ruining his life? No one has said that he should go to prison yet, just that he should be released from a football team.

Do you have a recorded pretext call where 1ManRaid admitted to committing crimes? Do you have physical evidence and eyewitnesses outlined in a lawsuit? If you did, I might be inclined to believe there was more to the story than a complete fabrication

What about counter eyewitnesses provided by the defence?

[dje85]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Who's ruining his life? No one has said that he should go to prison yet, just that he should be released from a football team.

Do you have a recorded pretext call where 1ManRaid admitted to committing crimes? Do you have physical evidence and eyewitnesses outlined in a lawsuit? If you did, I might be inclined to believe there was more to the story than a complete fabrication

 

I would argue being released from the football team would ruin his life. He would be losing a million dollar contract. 

 

If you were employed and lost a million dollar salary job your life would be ruined don't you think? I know mine would be.. 

[mikef272002]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I agree, I’m just saying the allegations are more than what I saw in your original post - apologies if I misread or missed a bit.

It's all good, none of us have the facts, we're all just very concerned and I believe we all hope the facts will show us that the Bills had the information we're all missing.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

What about counter eyewitnesses provided by the defence?

If they exist and are credible sure. Let's hear from them.or see a statement.

[Beck Water]

55 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

Question for any medical professionals here…

 

if a woman comes in post rape to be given a “rape kit” is there blood work done as well to test for drugs?  If the woman states she was in and out of consciousness, that would be a reason to check if she had been drugged without her knowledge.

 

That's actually a great question.  In this case, the victim went to the hospital "a day later".  Most of the "date rape" drugs metabolize rapidly and may not have been detectable afternoon of the following day.  Some testing companies now claim 48 hr window or test hair - so it's theoretically possible but less likely.

 

It needs to be said that testing for these drugs may not routinely be done as part of a "rape kit", even if the timeline between the alleged assault and the examination is so short that they should be detectible.  So if you or someone you care about is ever in a situation where this is a question, know that you (or they) need to specifically request that this testing be done - don't assume it will be done - and it may initially be on your (their) dime.

 

Then there's this proactive initiative:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/west-hollywood-offers-free-date-rape-drug-test-kits-to-bars-and-nightclubs/ar-AA110dIZ

[Mango]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The victim alleges he took her to the room where the other guys were and, I believe, joined in.

 

 

This also happened to a girl I knew at UB when I was there. She got drunk and had consensual sex with one person in his room. But was super drunk, and he let another 8 or 10 guys on the team then come in to have sex with her. 

UB football made it go away. She was a student athlete on another team. She ended up quitting her sport and transferring to another school over it. It was really sad. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I believe that if the police had done the right thing at the front end this wouldn't be much of a discussion. 

The young woman doesn't even have the results to her own medical procedure/testing/rape kit. 

If not for SDSU trying to protect their football team I honestly don't think we see this civil suit. At least not right now.

If this were my HS daughter and the wheels of justice were actively stalling, and somebody involved were all over national news daily being referred to as a "god", I would certainly turn to the civil courts and the franchise to make this right. I would be at training camp every single day with a sign that said "Matt Araiza raped my daughter" or "Matt Araiza was at my daughters gang rape". I would scream at Sean McDermott from the sidelines in Rochester about what his punter did to my daughter. 

 

I cannot imagine that any fathers on this board would "sit back and let this play out"

Easier said than done.  They probably wouldn't allow the protest on private property.  Or you'd be arrested for disorderly conduct.   But hey, worth a try.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, dje85 said:

 

I would argue being released from the football team would ruin his life. He would be losing a million dollar contract. 

 

If you were employed and lost a million dollar salary job your life would be ruined don't you think? I know mine would be.. 

Well holy *****. You better go tell the 30 players we're cutting next week that the Bills are going to "ruin" their lives, even if they didn't rape anyone.

[John from Riverside]

11 hours ago, pigpen65 said:

That's what the Browns did with Watson. 

Completely different situation even though what he’s being accused of is horrible

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Who's ruining his life? No one has said that he should go to prison yet, just that he should be released from a football team.

Do you have a recorded pretext call where 1ManRaid admitted to committing crimes? Do you have physical evidence and eyewitnesses outlined in a lawsuit? If you did, I might be inclined to believe there was more to the story than a complete fabrication

Hey man, sorry but your reputation is destroyed, people have labeled you a rapist and your career is gone. 
 

But at least your life isn’t ruined. 

[Mattymafia]

Just now, dje85 said:

 

I would argue being released from the football team would ruin his life. He would be losing a million dollar contract. 

 

If you were employed and lost a million dollar salary job your life would be ruined don't you think? I know mine would be.. 

Plus its unlikely he'd get another job. If the Bills knew about this for a month, like it is implied, they definitely know way more than anyone on this board or on twitter. This organization has done the right thing since these guys took over. They let Mccoy and Dodsons situations play out before they made their decisions on their futures, both were proven wrong. I would not be surprised or upset if they put Araiza on an exempt list until everything came out.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Hey man, sorry but your reputation is destroyed, people have labeled you a rapist and your career is gone. 
 

But at least your life isn’t ruined. 

That's already happened. Whether or not the Bills employ him has no bearing on his reputation. Only his actions do.

[appoo]

 

It really is as simple as this. Were the Bills ok knowing their player had sex with a minor, regardless of circumstance?

[Yobogoya!]

1 minute ago, dje85 said:

 

I would argue being released from the football team would ruin his life. He would be losing a million dollar contract. 

 

If you were employed and lost a million dollar salary job your life would be ruined don't you think? I know mine would be.. 

 

It's not just the loss of income but the additional perception of guilt.

 

If the people you work with and work for don't believe in you, that's big. They're usually the closest thing you got after family. 

[dje85]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Well holy *****. You better go tell the 30 players we're cutting next week that the Bills are going to "ruin" their lives, even if they didn't rape anyone.

Yes, that is the completely same scenario.. (sarcasm)

 

If we cut him we are essentially saying we feel he is guilty. You think the NFL would let anyone touch him with a forty foot pole at that point? Even if he is found innocent.. I am not saying he is or isn't. I'm just saying we cut him now we likely do ruin his life. 

[aceman_16]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well holy *****. You better go tell the 30 players we're cutting next week that the Bills are going to "ruin" their lives, even if they didn't rape anyone.

That's a strawman argument....those "30 players" lost their jobs due to their lack of performance NOT from some allegation from a woman.

[John from Riverside]

Wow 118 pages that 56 page estimate was a little off

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, jkirchofer said:

What would she stand to benefit? She went to police the next day. Had a rape kit done. That is a lot of trauma to undergo for the sake of extorting a college punter. Comments like yours is a reason a lot of victims do not come forward.

 

What about my comment is why "a lot of victims do not come forward"?  I'm not going to apologize for understanding the rule of law and innocent until proven guilty.  I've said a dozen times he should be BURIED UNDER THE PRISON if guilty, but the first day after the accusation is not the time to already be lynching the guy without evidence.  Cutting him and ruining his life even if he's innocent sets a terrible precedent on an incredibly slippery slope.

 

I've had friends and family who were raped, as well as friends and family who were falsely accused of rape.  Again, I'm not going to apologize for being objective and reasonable.  Emotions (ESPECIALLY so soon after the public accusation) don't trump law and reason.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Easier said than done.  They probably wouldn't allow the protest on private property.  Or you'd be arrested for disorderly conduct.   But hey, worth a try.

 

Right. But you get the point. The current steps from the girl and the family certainly fit well within the timeline of a legitimate rape being stalled by a mid major football program and NFL team. Also it would be well worth the arrest for disorderly conduct, harassments etc. 

 

My daughter tells me a guy being called a "god" by national pundits on TV raped my daughter. All bets are off and I am not concerned with "disorderly conduct" or "harassments" charges.

[Rc2catch]

That’s girls lawyer is not doing her any favors. Dudes still tweeting.. He wreaks of desperation for his pay check on this. Tagging the police department and Araiza in his posts.. I have never seen a lawyer act that way. There’s winning the public which he already did before the twitter rants.. Now he’s just being childish about it 

[BuffaloRebound]

Thanks Cleveland.  This is what happens when one of your football brethren hands out the largest guaranteed contract to a sick perverted dude.  

Every team loses the benefit of the doubt and every player is more likely to be found guilty in court of public opinion.  

[UKBillFan]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I believe that if the police had done the right thing at the front end this wouldn't be much of a discussion. 

The young woman doesn't even have the results to her own medical procedure/testing/rape kit. 

If not for SDSU trying to protect their football team I honestly don't think we see this civil suit. At least not right now.

If this were my HS daughter and the wheels of justice were actively stalling, and somebody involved were all over national news daily being referred to as a "god", I would certainly turn to the civil courts and the franchise to make this right. I would be at training camp every single day with a sign that said "Matt Araiza raped my daughter" or "Matt Araiza was at my daughters gang rape". I would scream at Sean McDermott from the sidelines in Rochester about what his punter did to my daughter. 

 

I cannot imagine that any fathers on this board would "sit back and let this play out"

The thing is you have seemingly decided he is guilty based on the lawsuit, which is going to be weighted for the prosecution, without considering what his defence might be. A bit like another poster who has decided Araiza must be innocent based on what he experienced in the fast which has affected his life moving forward. 
 

Allegations have been made and he has a right to defend them. The DA will decide to press charges and/or it’ll go through civil court. Until then he cannot be treated as guilty and the victim should not be dismissed as a liar.

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

It really is as simple as this. Were the Bills ok knowing their player had sex with a minor, regardless of circumstance?

Who are these people on the Twitter and why do they deserve an answer? 

[Southern_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I believe that if the police had done the right thing at the front end this wouldn't be much of a discussion. 

The young woman doesn't even have the results to her own medical procedure/testing/rape kit. 

If not for SDSU trying to protect their football team I honestly don't think we see this civil suit. At least not right now.

If this were my HS daughter and the wheels of justice were actively stalling, and somebody involved were all over national news daily being referred to as a "god", I would certainly turn to the civil courts and the franchise to make this right. I would be at training camp every single day with a sign that said "Matt Araiza raped my daughter" or "Matt Araiza was at my daughters gang rape". I would scream at Sean McDermott from the sidelines in Rochester about what his punter did to my daughter. 

 

I cannot imagine that any fathers on this board would "sit back and let this play out"

 

I agree, and sadly the way they handle these things, and it seems to be status quo for sports programs, if the accused is innocent it actually hurts him.

 

I'm not claiming anyone is innocent or guilty, I'm just saying the suppression of the truth which happens in these events does a wrongly accused man just as few favors as anyone else.

[Rigotz]

I'm surprised this hasn't been shared yet.

The alleged rape victim's lawyer just released her diary from that day. I have no idea why he would do that.

 

It's a horrific scenario, but she also admits to being face down and not knowing who was there at the time...

 

 

[appoo]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Who are these people on the Twitter and why do they deserve an answer? 

I don't believe you're asking the correct question

[aceman_16]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Who are these people on the Twitter and why do they deserve an answer? 

Mina Kimes is an NFL and ESPN reporter

[appoo]

Just now, Rigotz said:

I'm surprised this hasn't been shared yet.

The alleged rape victim's lawyer just released her diary from that day. I have no idea why he would do that.

 

It's a horrific scenario, but she also admits to being face down and not knowing who was there at the time...

 

 

 

Because he's trying to force the hand of the DA

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 minute ago, Rigotz said:

I'm surprised this hasn't been shared yet.

The alleged rape victim's lawyer just released her diary from that day. I have no idea why he would do that.

 

It's a horrific scenario, but she also admits to being face down and not knowing who was there at the time...

 

 

Is it authenticated?  Is this even permissible in court?

[longtimebillsfan]

17 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Did the girl opt not to file charges? She skips right to a civil suit?

The story I read was that she went to the police that same night and waited 5 hours for them to take her statement.  She then was sent to a hospital for a rape test.

 

The story goes that the police went to the administrators at San Diego State and told them not to do anything so as not to interfere with the police investigatioin.

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

It really is as simple as this. Were the Bills ok knowing their player had sex with a minor, regardless of circumstance?

If they were satisfied that eyewitnesses stated that she told people she was not a minor then possibly. 

[RiotAct]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well holy *****. You better go tell the 30 players we're cutting next week that the Bills are going to "ruin" their lives, even if they didn't rape anyone.

different scenarios.  Those players ostensibly are going to be cut because they’re not quite good enough.

 

  IF Araiza is innocent, and he’s cut / blacklisted over something he didn’t do… it’s a scenario where a player who likely had a somewhat long NFL career ahead of him got it pulled out from under his feet.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

It's not just the loss of income but the additional perception of guilt.

 

If the people you work with and work for don't believe in you, that's big. They're usually the closest thing you got after family. 

 

1 minute ago, dje85 said:

Yes, that is the completely same scenario.. (sarcasm)

 

If we cut him we are essentially saying we feel he is guilty. You think the NFL would let anyone touch him with a forty foot pole at that point? Even if he is found innocent.. I am not saying he is or isn't. I'm just saying we cut him now we likely do ruin his life. 

If the people you work for are the closest people you have after family, you need to re-examine your ability to create meaningful relationships. It seems to be a common problem for Americans though as evidenced the "return to the office" crowd.

With respect to presumed guilt - that's your perception. My perception is that it's plausible he did it, and if that's true there's far more risk than reward the the reputation of the franchise in continuing to have him associate with the club.

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Mina Kimes is an NFL and ESPN reporter

She still don't deserve an answer. 

[cle23]

1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said:

I didn’t realize people could only be bruised and bleeding by anything other than rape? Same with going to the hospital? You must be of the “believe all women” camp?

 

Yes, those things can happen during consensual sex, but rarely do women then tell everyone it was rape, and go to the hospital for a rape kit just for the fun of it.  

[Blainorama5]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

I don't believe you're asking the correct question

What is Twitter?? 😉

[Mango]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

The thing is you have seemingly decided he is guilty based on the lawsuit, which is going to be weighted for the prosecution, without considering what his defence might be. A bit like another poster who has decided Araiza must be innocent based on what he experienced in the fast which has affected his life moving forward. 
 

Allegations have been made and he has a right to defend them. The DA will decide to press charges and/or it’ll go through civil court. Until then he cannot be treated as guilty and the victim should not be dismissed as a liar.

 

 

The civil suit is to push the DA to make a decision on charges. There seems to be zero people involved who say that a rape did not happen. The girl was 100% raped. The police have 100% stalled efforts to protect SDSU football. 

Whether Araiza is involved in being in the room is currently debatable. 

If the police had not stalled, I don't think that the Bills are dealing with Araiza in a civil suit at the moment. That has nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.