First Depth Chart 2022

[Mango]

I had a hot take today that Hodgins and Kumerow makes the roster with Crowder being cut or traded. 
 

Looking at this depth chart, it’s not thaaat wild. Shakir is basically a lock and listed as SWR3. Kumerow and Hodgins are the primaries outside. I think Shakir moves to SWR2 and Crowder goes for a draft pick to free up $1M. 
 

(Cap wizards can correct me. I think in a trade the Bills are only on the hook for his signing bonus, since it’s a one year deal, right?)

Edited August 9, 2022 by Mango

[Back2Buff]

Did a roster projection this morning and struggled to find the last 3 guys.

 

Struggled with the 9th Olineman (Maybe Ford).

Struggled if this team is really keeping Taiwan Jones

Team is 100% keeping 7 WRs, maybe 8 if Kumerow makes it strictly on ST.

Does a 6th LB make it for ST (Like Giles-Harris)

I see the 6th CB as Cam Lewis.

[Back2Buff]

This was my breakdown today:

 

QB - 2, RB - 3, WR - 7, TE/FB - 3, Olineman - 9

 

Total: 24

 

DE - 5, DT - 4, LB - 5, S - 4, CB - 6

 

Total: 24

 

ST: 3

 

Total: 51

 

Taiwan Jones and Kumerow could both make it for ST and be at 53.  This team doesn't have as much depth beyond the normal 50 (which is fine).

 

They have the benefit of Gilliam playing 2 positions and flexibility on the Olineman (Still think you go with 9, but I think they could get away with 8).

 

[SCBills]

Crowder to me is the most interesting player of the preseason.  
 

We signed him because we wanted a proven slot WR after letting Cole go.  Beane doesn’t like going into the draft with a glaring hole (see, Duke at RB). 
 

The two year deal shows that the Bills were hopeful McKenzie would make a jump, but the money shows they weren’t sold on it.  
 

Now, all of a sudden, McKenzie looks like he potentially made the jump AND Beane lucked himself into a WR who he would’ve taken in the 4th if we kept our pick.  That player, Shakir, seems to be looking like the steal the entire NFL community believes he is. 
 

Knowing what they know now.. would they have signed Crowder?   Do they trust McKenzie/Shakir enough to move off Crowder in order to keep Hodgins & Kumerow?..  Maybe sign a different one year rental?

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by SCBills

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

I had a hot take today that Hodgins and Kumerow makes the roster with Crowder being cut or traded. 
 

Looking at this depth chart, it’s not thaaat wild. Shakir is basically a lock and listed as SWR3. Kumerow and Hodgins are the primaries outside. I think Shakir moves toe SWR2 and Crowder goes for a draft pick to free up $1M. 
 

(Cap wizards can correct me. I think in a trade the Bills are only on the hook for his signing bonus, since it’s a one year deal, right?)

 

Spotrac has a Crowder trade saving $1.23M in cap.  I tend to not count on any trades, but the Crowder thing is possible but not probable IMO.

For it to happen I think it wouldn't just be about Shakir, they would have to be high on Austin and/or Stevenson.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Hodgins as the backup to Gabe is a bit of an eye-opener.

 

 

Why?

 

 

[eball]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Why?

 

 

 

Not used to seeing him healthy enough to back up anything.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, 17islongenough said:

 

 

 

This is the part where I tell the people who angrily insisted that Kumerow wouldn't be the top backup boundary WR on the first depth chart to eat a bag.

 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Spotrac has a Crowder trade saving $1.23M in cap.  I tend to not count on any trades, but the Crowder thing is possible but not probable IMO.

For it to happen I think it wouldn't just be about Shakir, they would have to be high on Austin and/or Stevenson.

 

 

I am not high on Austin or Stevenson....like at all. 

My thinking was that between McKenzie, Cook, Shakir, Hodgins, and to an extent Knox, they have all the skill sets they could ever need to play inside at this point. So where does Crowder fit in? 

I sort of said that thinking the Bills only keep 6. But they will keep more, so in that case he is likely still here. 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

Taiwan Jones and Kumerow could both make it for ST and be at 53.  This team doesn't have as much depth beyond the normal 50 (which is fine).

 

They have the benefit of Gilliam playing 2 positions and flexibility on the Olineman (Still think you go with 9, but I think they could get away with 8).

 

Your 51 "locks" look pretty spot on but having 7 WR already and adding Kumerow to make 8 won't happen IMO.

If Kumerow stays he is part of the 7.

No way they go 8 OL.  9 minimum.  Ike goes on Reserve/PUP.

So, the 53rd player is a wildcard and come from almost any position.  Also have to remember that Andre Smith will be back after 6 games.

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I am not high on Austin or Stevenson....like at all. 

My thinking was that between McKenzie, Cook, Shakir, Hodgins, and to an extent Knox, they have all the skill sets they could ever need to play inside at this point. So where does Crowder fit in? 

I sort of said that thinking the Bills only keep 6. But they will keep more, so in that case he is likely still here. 

 

I'm not big on either and think Crowder stays.  Crowder is one of the few players who could be traded and I was trying to come up with a 

scenario that would make that happen.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Great.  No pronunciation key for 'Allen'. 🤨
*
However, the rest of the suggestions should help you all when Mar-DEE BOO-rahn posts in Off the Wall.

[billybrew1]

1 hour ago, LanderPoke said:

I wonder if Shakir will get many snaps this year. I watched him tear apart my Wyoming Cowboys for four years and he seemed like a sure fire NFL talent. He was impossible to guard. Excited to see what he can do

I’m excited to see if he can play outside. Surpassing Kumerow and Hodgins in the process….

Having the kind of year Davis did as a rookie….

[billybrew1]

I think there are a few small surprises on defense. Bernard being #2 at MLB…. Nick McCloud being officially a Safety. …Neal being officially the #2 slot corner…

So McCloud’s path to the roster goes thru Hamlin…. Tough.

Was Bernard always drafted to be our backup MLB this year?

And, signing Neal doesn’t look so strange now…

 

And the Bills have both Cook and Shakir working on returners as I have hoped….

[hemma]

Wonder if Taiwan Jones makes the team again.

34 yo, 4 solo tackles last year.

 

 

 

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

This is the part where I tell the people who angrily insisted that Kumerow wouldn't be the top backup boundary WR on the first depth chart to eat a bag.

 

 

He could be, but will likely be cut.

[Punching Bag]

I am concerned.  No one is listed as a backup long snapper!

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

That CB depth chart looks pretty bleak, especially if Tre can't go. I think they need to add a veteran on the cheap 

Bleak?  That is one of the strongest lineups in the league both in starters and back ups

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

I absolutely love the pronunciation guide on the depth chart. So smart and helpful.  Is that a new thing? 

[BADOLBILZ]

35 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

He could be, but will likely be cut.

 

 

There is no "could be"...........he is listed as I said he would be.

 

It's his job to lose and there isn't exactly much competition.

 

No wonder Beane is still looking. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

There is no "could be"...........he is listed as I said he would be.

 

It's his job to lose and there isn't exactly much competition.

 

No wonder Beane is still looking. 

 

It's a prelim depth chart.  There is no chance that Boettger is making the team, much less the backup LG.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

I had a hot take today that Hodgins and Kumerow makes the roster with Crowder being cut or traded. 
 

Looking at this depth chart, it’s not thaaat wild. Shakir is basically a lock and listed as SWR3. Kumerow and Hodgins are the primaries outside. I think Shakir moves toe SWR2 and Crowder goes for a draft pick to free up $1M. 
 

(Cap wizards can correct me. I think in a trade the Bills are only on the hook for his signing bonus, since it’s a one year deal, right?)

 

 

If they get thru preseason healthy and don't make any moves.........I would not be surprised if they even kept only 5.    

 

The 6th and 7th options in-house are practice squad level receiving talents.

 

I'm sure teams will be able to protect someone on the PS every week and that could be a WR.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

This was my breakdown today:

 

QB - 2, RB - 3, WR - 7, TE/FB - 3, Olineman - 9

 

Total: 24

 

DE - 5, DT - 4, LB - 5, S - 4, CB - 6

 

Total: 24

 

ST: 3

 

Total: 51

 

Taiwan Jones and Kumerow could both make it for ST and be at 53.  This team doesn't have as much depth beyond the normal 50 (which is fine).

 

They have the benefit of Gilliam playing 2 positions and flexibility on the Olineman (Still think you go with 9, but I think they could get away with 8).

 

This could work. Only 2 QB and 5 LBs makes sense. That opens up two roster spots.  I would still get rid of Kukerow if they are already keeping 7 WR and keep an extra linemen.

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If they get thru preseason healthy and don't make any moves.........I would not be surprised if they even kept only 5.    

 

The 6th and 7th options in-house are practice squad level receiving talents.

 

I'm sure teams will be able to protect someone on the PS every week and that could be a WR.  

The only way they keep 5 WR is if a DB is your primary return guy. They dont have anyone on the roster to do that. They are keeping at least 6 WR. 

Second, they have to make it to the PS first to be protected. 

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

This could work. Only 2 QB and 5 LBs makes sense. That opens up two roster spots.  I would still get rid of Kukerow if they are already keeping 7 WR and keep an extra linemen.

The only way they keep 5 WR is if a DB is your primary return guy. They dont have anyone on the roster to do that. They are keeping at least 6 WR. 

Second, they have to make it to the PS first to be protected. 

 

With 3 slot receivers........no.........it's not necessary for a DB to be the primary return guy.

 

Kumerow might get picked up if waived.   Hodgins?  Stevenson?  Austin?  These guys are competing for spots on the Bills but it's highly doubtful someone puts any of those done-nothing dudes on their roster and guarantees their salary by having them on the 53 man roster for week 1.     There is a lot of WR depth around the NFL..... teams aren't pining to sort thru the Bills leavings at outside WR.  

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

With 3 slot receivers........no.........it's not necessary for a DB to be the primary return guy.

 

Kumerow might get picked up if waived.   Hodgins?  Stevenson?  Austin?  These guys are competing for spots on the Bills but it's highly doubtful someone puts any of those done-nothing dudes on their roster and guarantees their salary by having them on the 53 man roster for week 1.     There is a lot of WR depth around the NFL..... teams aren't pining to sort thru the Bills leavings at outside WR.  

 

Depends on pre-season with Hodgins.  Stevenson probably gets IRd.  But Kumerow and Austin could easily be put on the PS.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Depends on pre-season with Hodgins.  Stevenson probably gets IRd.  But Kumerow and Austin could easily be put on the PS.

 

 

Not necessarily with Hodgins.   Players at positions that are deep around the league.........like WR or RB.........often have big preseasons and it doesn't result in them being in high demand.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Not necessarily with Hodgins.   Players at positions that are deep around the league.........like WR or RB.........often have big preseasons and it doesn't result in them being in high demand.

 

If the Bills have a role for him, given they've been developing him for over 2 years and he knows the system, it might not be worth taking the chance.  I don't know.  They could go many different ways here.

[Wizard]

These depth charts are fun top look at, but much like a mock draft, I don't take much stock in them until the the first two games are in the books.

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If we keep Matt over Araiza I’m going to be entirely disappointed. 

I think you might be confused- it is no longer 2008 when Moorman was our team MVP- at this point our punter might only see the field 35 times all year so not real important. 😊

[Ethan in Cleveland]

51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

With 3 slot receivers........no.........it's not necessary for a DB to be the primary return guy.

 

Kumerow might get picked up if waived.   Hodgins?  Stevenson?  Austin?  These guys are competing for spots on the Bills but it's highly doubtful someone puts any of those done-nothing dudes on their roster and guarantees their salary by having them on the 53 man roster for week 1.     There is a lot of WR depth around the NFL..... teams aren't pining to sort thru the Bills leavings at outside WR.  

I am thinking of the Bills specific current situation.  Bills have seemingly said McKenzie is not your return guy. 

In the top 5 or 6 there is not a good return candidate.  Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder(2 punt returns since 2018), Shakir (2 KR and 9 PR in senior year, none of either as a Junior), and Hodgins(No punt or kick returns in 4 years of college).  None of these guys are going to be your primary return guy.  

Therefore you need at least a 6th WR (Austin or Stevenson) to handle return duties, unless there is a DB on the squad that can do it.

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, hemma said:

Wonder if Taiwan Jones makes the team again.

34 yo, 4 solo tackles last year.

 

 

It's probably not popular opinion, but I think Jones and Kumerow both don't make the team.  One will get cut.

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I am thinking of the Bills specific current situation.  Bills have seemingly said McKenzie is not your return guy. 

In the top 5 or 6 there is not a good return candidate.  Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder(2 punt returns since 2018), Shakir (2 KR and 9 PR in senior year, none of either as a Junior), and Hodgins(No punt or kick returns in 4 years of college).  None of these guys are going to be your primary return guy.  

Therefore you need at least a 6th WR (Austin or Stevenson) to handle return duties, unless there is a DB on the squad that can do it.

 

The top 5 aren't good..........so therefore they need to keep a 6th or 7th who also isn't good?    

 

Not saying they won't keep 6 or 7...........but Tavon Austin has been a flat-out lousy punt returner for the past 6 seasons and has never been a good KOR guy(18 yard per KOR is terrible).    

 

Boo-boo foot Stevenson doesn't warrant a week 1, salary guaranteed roster spot at this point.

 

Remember that your week 1 team is just for week 1 and they have 11 days in between games after the opener.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they played the market with KR/PR guy during the season.   Not ideal but teams tend to cut some good return guys.   They aren't particularly valuable in the NFL any longer.

[Simon Says]

5 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Dodson over Bernard and Dirty the KR are the only real surprises.

Hodgins over Shakir?

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they played the market with KR/PR guy during the season.   Not ideal but teams tend to cut some good return guys.   They aren't particularly valuable in the NFL any longer.

 

I'm not putting the cart before the horse yet.  I want to see how Matthew Smiley has the STs playing in the preseason.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

I'm not going to put much credence into the first depth chart.  Most teams give veterans preference and make the rookies earn it all the way through camp.  The second preseason game should give us a better picture of what we can expect in the regular season.  As we fret the future release of some good prospects, we all need to remember how hard it is to make the roster on a team that is really stacked with talent.  For too many years the Bills were on the other end of things and I remember watching the cuts from other teams in the hope that the Bills could snag some decent players to improve the roster.  I'll take the current situation anytime.

[NewEra]

Meanwhile… around the NFL- 

WR5-9ish

 

The Bucs are absolutely loaded.

 

The packers, who have a poor wr1-4 have solid 5-6 with Amari Rodgers, Romeo Doubs then no one.  
 

chiefs- Josh Gordon, Justin Watson, daurice fountain, Cornell powell, Corey Coleman, Omar bayless.  
 

chargers:  deandre Carter, Jason moore jr, Joe Reed, Michael bandy, Michael Ffrench 

 

rams- tutu atwell, Brandon powell, Jacob harris, austin trammel, Landon akers

 

bengals- Stanley Morgan, Trent taylor, Kwame Lassiter the 2nd, Trenton Irwin, pooka Williams 

 

broncos- Montrell Washington, Tyrone cleveland, Seth Williams, Travis fulgham

titans- dez Fitzpatrick, racey mcmath, Cody hollister, Mason Kinsey, Josh Malone 

 

Cowboys- Noah brown, Dennis Houston, TJ vasher, simi fehoko, Kevonte Turpin.

 

niners- Ray Ray, Malik Turner, Marcus johnson, willie Snead.  

Bills- shakir, austin, Kumerow, Hodgins, Stevenson.  
 

People here complain about our WR depth.  Fans of every team complain about WR depth….. except the Bucs. 

We’ll be fine.  If someone goes down, Beane, McD and Dorsey will figure it out.  
 

 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, FieldGeneral said:

 

Tight ends usually are, but I feel as if Dawson played small in these moments. 

I heard Knox had eleven total TDs last season, nothin small about that, 

[Matt_In_NH]

Benford is high for a low end draft pick rookie.  Keep hearing good things about him.  

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile… around the NFL- 

WR5-9ish

 

The Bucs are absolutely loaded.

 

The packers, who have a poor wr1-4 have solid 5-6 with Amari Rodgers, Romeo Doubs then no one.  
 

chiefs- Josh Gordon, Justin Watson, daurice fountain, Cornell powell, Corey Coleman, Omar bayless.  
 

chargers:  deandre Carter, Jason moore jr, Joe Reed, Michael bandy, Michael Ffrench 

 

rams- tutu atwell, Brandon powell, Jacob harris, austin trammel, Landon akers

 

bengals- Stanley Morgan, Trent taylor, Kwame Lassiter the 2nd, Trenton Irwin, pooka Williams 

 

broncos- Montrell Washington, Tyrone cleveland, Seth Williams, Travis fulgham

titans- dez Fitzpatrick, racey mcmath, Cody hollister, Mason Kinsey, Josh Malone 

 

Cowboys- Noah brown, Dennis Houston, TJ vasher, simi fehoko, Kevonte Turpin.

 

niners- Ray Ray, Malik Turner, Marcus johnson, willie Snead.  

Bills- shakir, austin, Kumerow, Hodgins, Stevenson.  
 

People here complain about our WR depth.  Fans of every team complain about WR depth….. except the Bucs. 

We’ll be fine.  If someone goes down, Beane, McD and Dorsey will figure it out.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been bringing this up to certain posters.  Never got a reply after asking 3 times.  I just did KC and the AFC East.

Thanks for doing the work for the league.

 

Bucs are loaded for their last chance at a SB.

 

My guess would be the OL depth league wide is even scarier.

[NewEra]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

I've been bringing this up to certain posters.  Never got a reply after asking 3 times.  I just did KC and the AFC East.

Thanks for doing the work for the league.

 

Bucs are loaded for their last chance at a SB.

 

My guess would be the OL depth league wide is even scarier.

Ain’t no doubt bro. OL depth is probably the weakest of all. NFL units atm.  

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Both aren’t great options… Quessenberry gave up the most sacks as a tackle last season and Brown was atrocious several times throughout the year….including the finale against KC.

Yeah.  PFF has a pass blocking grade of Quessenberry at 61.6 and Brown at 51.0.  Both are pretty bad and ranked near the bottom.  If Brown had a less mobile QB fans wouldn't be as high on him.  It's a problem and maybe Kromer can help make at least one of them average pass blockers as they're both great run blockers.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Doc Brown