BillsM@fia Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) Maybe those who have attended training camp can enlighten me. So Von Millers natural position is linebacker, although pass rushing linebacker. We run nickel defense most of the time and Milano/Edmunds are our two linebackers in the 4-2-5. I am curious as to how we exactly plan to utilize him. I am not sure having him line up as DE with his hands in the dirt will be getting the most out of him (maybe it is IDK). I think this is a good problem to have and Frazier/McDermott can really get creative with some of our looks/disguises. Also makes me wonder who will be our other DE if we aren't having Von Miller line up exclusively there. Boogie? Lawson? If this has been discussed, I apologize in advance. Edited August 1, 2022 by BillsM@fia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) He will probably be standing up off the edge of the RT mostly And flip him occasionally Edited August 1, 2022 by Buffalo716 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BillsM@fia said: So Von Millers natural position is linebacker, although pass rushing linebacker. I mean, not really. He's always been a DE/Rush OLB. Dropping him back into coverage is the more along the idea as dropping Hughes or Mario back into coverage. He's just better at it. He isn't a Linebacker, imo. His responsibilities are those of a DE. Speaking of Hughes, I think he basically fills that exact spot. Just better. (No offense, Jerry) Edited August 1, 2022 by DrDawkinstein 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, not really. He's always been a DE/Rush OLB. Dropping him back into coverage is the same idea as dropping Hughes or Mario back into coverage. He isn't a Linebacker. Every Single 34 outside linebacker drops into coverage on occasion including von It’s a massive part of the 34 overload packages But we don’t run out here so he probably won’t be dropping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Every Single 34 outside linebacker drops into coverage on occasion including von It’s a massive part of the 34 overload packages But we don’t run out here so he probably won’t be dropping Our defense rolls people all over the place, I think there were moments where even Ed Oliver went into coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Our defense rolls people all over the place, I think there were moments where even Ed Oliver went into coverage. I know Rex Would occasionally drop a DT I can’t recall McDermott really doing it off my head … Tho Maybe once a game he’ll dial up an overload on third down and drop the end on the opposite side but it’s only 1 or 2 times a game Edited August 1, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Closer to a city that isnt boring, and has Sean McVay and Aaron Donald in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Interesting video of him at his camp, advising younger players. He spoke about the advantage of the three point stance on the edge, and mentioned the disadvantages of standing ‘flat footed’ and upright. Now, I’m a fan, but i’m clearly not a tape or an x/o guy. Some of you may know ….. does he like to stand, erect, or get into a 3 pt. stance? My learned board friends will know more than me. My Frazier experience - move great talent around and let the offense try to figure it out. Seize initiative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 We are hiring Wrex Ryan back so we can drop Miller into zone coverage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) He’s an edge rusher and always has been. The fact that he occasionally drops into coverage in certain D calls does not make him a linebacker. Nor does the fact that he sometimes rushes out of a two point stance vs. putting a hand in the dirt. He’s an edger rusher with versatility. Edited August 1, 2022 by K-9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 This type of conversation is why the NFL and its analysts have moved away from the "OLB vs DE" debate and instead simply label players like Von Miller "Edge defenders". A 3-4 outside linebacker and a 4-3 defensive end both do the same thing, generally speaking: they set the edge in the run game and rush the passer. Now that's not taking into account the minutia of their responsibilities, their rush technique, etc. It's simply pointing out that whatever scheme they are a part of, they will essentially be doing the same thing. The old "3-4 OLB vs 4-3 DE" discussion becomes even more antiquated and obsolete when one considers the fact that the majority of NFL defenses use nickel as their true base defense anyway. So what, generally speaking, will Von Miller be doing? The same thing he's always done: he'll be an edge defender. Setting the edge and rushing the passer. The question of whether or not he'll rush from a 3-point stance or from a standing start is a valid one, and I would imagine he'll be rushing from a standing start most of the time, as he has done the majority of his career. I also imagine that -- though the coaching staff has said he'll play both sides -- he's ultimately going to wind up lining up on the defensive left the majority of the time, as that is his most effective spot. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Neo said: Interesting video of him at his camp, advising younger players. He spoke about the advantage of the three point stance on the edge, and mentioned the disadvantages of standing ‘flat footed’ and upright. Now, I’m a fan, but i’m clearly not a tape or an x/o guy. Some of you may know ….. does he like to stand, erect, or get into a 3 pt. stance? My learned board friends will know more than me. My Frazier experience - move great talent around and let the offense try to figure it out. Seize initiative. Generally he rushed from a standing angled 2 point stance the majority of his career 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 He will be used in just about every way imaginable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsM@fia said: Maybe those who have attended training camp can enlighten me. So Von Millers natural position is linebacker, although pass rushing linebacker. We run nickel defense most of the time and Milano/Edmunds are our two linebackers in the 4-2-5. I am curious as to how we exactly plan to utilize him. I am not sure having him line up as DE with his hands in the dirt will be getting the most out of him (maybe it is IDK). I think this is a good problem to have and Frazier/McDermott can really get creative with some of our looks/disguises. Also makes me wonder who will be our other DE if we aren't having Von Miller line up exclusively there. Boogie? Lawson? If this has been discussed, I apologize in advance. I expect to see him moved around like Lorenzo Alexander used to. If the other d-ends show they’re ready to make the jump we can move Von all over the place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Our defense rolls people all over the place, I think there were moments where even Ed Oliver went into coverage. I recall Hughes dropping into coverage a lot. Rousseau a decent amount last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Deep safety 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Virgil said: We are hiring Wrex Ryan back so we can drop Miller into zone coverage Ixnay on the xrey talk here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Holder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 He has the skills and IQ to be good in coverage, he just wasn’t asked to do it much so his numbers are pretty bad. I think his position will resemble 43 DE, but maybe he can surprise us and be solid LB like Lorenzo Alexander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, not really. He's always been a DE/Rush OLB. Dropping him back into coverage is the more along the idea as dropping Hughes or Mario back into coverage. He's just better at it. He isn't a Linebacker, imo. His responsibilities are those of a DE. Speaking of Hughes, I think he basically fills that exact spot. Just better. (No offense, Jerry) Yeah he’s Jerry’s spot. That just a bit better may lead to 15 sack season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Virgil said: We are hiring Wrex Ryan back so we can drop Miller into zone coverage Miller picked Brady off in the playoffs when he dropped back into coverage when he was with Denver. https://www.denverbroncos.com/video/von-miller-intercepts-tom-brady-16740859 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: He will probably be standing up off the edge of the RT mostly And flip him occasionally So Rosseau will be our starting RDE? Miller LDE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) I don't think nor hope they just use him exaclty as they did Hughes. He is too good rushing out of a 2 pt stance. However, for the most part he will be just like Hughes as the fourth DL in the nickel package, rushing the passer. That is why he is here and what he needs to do better than Hughes did. I would like to see them run some more 4-3 with Von as a stand up OLB with a combination of Rousseau, Lawson, and Basham rotating as the DEs. As for dropping back in coverage, yes he will do that from time to time. Every defense in the NFL has DL guys drop in coverage from time to time. McD and Frazier are no different. They drop DEs and DTs rarely so they can blitz other guys off the edge like Johnson and Poyer. What will be interesting to see is they lined up Edmunds as a 2 point outside rusher 1-3 plays a game last season, and let Klein or Milano play MLB. Will they still do that? Will they sit Milano and or Edmunds a few snaps a game to let Miller pass rush with a DE in front of him ( effectively forcing the opponent to block him with a TE or RB)? While McD and Frazier are conservative I dont think they are unimaginative. Most opponents and commentators talk about how the defense is difficult to read. My guess is they will experiment with several things and at the same time keep him fresh for the playoffs. They have solid depth on the DL, there is no reason to overuse him early. Let the young kids bang away on the run situations and bring in Miller on 3rd and long. Edited August 2, 2022 by Ethan in Portland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So Rosseau will be our starting RDE? Miller LDE? I think that will be the plan Miller can move around the line but his bread and butter is his ability to convert speed to power during his rush That’s most optimal over the right tackle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 https://theathletic.com/3224175/2022/04/05/von-miller-buffalo-bills-film-review/?amp=1 This article from The Athletic is about exactly this topic. I do not have a subscription and was able to read it. He’s best over RT and I would expect him to get the majority of his reps there. The big question raised by this is how it will impact Rousseau, who played in the same spot all last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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