Gabe Davis getting stronger

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

There are a bunch of WRs still available. Camp starts soon. They can add one at any point.

Sure hope they do

[stinky finger]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

There is understandably a lot of doubt about whether or not Davis can be a successful, top tier #2 WR for the duration of an entire season.

Count me among those that has very little doubt. All he has lacked so far is opportunity.

He seems to have an elite work ethic and tireless drive to succeed. He's big, strong, finds ways to get open, and has a great rapport with Josh, especially on broken plays.

I think Diggs/Davis becomes one of the top duos in the league this year.

My only real concern is finding a way to re-sign both Davis and Dawson Knox, as losing either would represent a considerable blow to the offense.
 

 

Those who doubt Davis excelling as a true 2 WR will be pleaseantly surprised. 

 

As you said, opportunity is the ony thing missing from his game.

 

It will be on full display this season and the Bills will benefit greatly. 

 

Dudes' got game.

[The Dean]

2 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Not if some of that muscle mass went to the legs also....I think it's muscle weight and not fat weight from wings etc lol

 

 

Correct. Muscle weighs more than fat.

 

Gabe is a guy who really works so he isn't sitting around getting fat.  I have to assume he is approaching it in a healthy manner. Why would anyone choose to believe the opposite?  

 

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Correct. Muscle weighs more than fat.

 

Gabe is a guy who really works so he isn't sitting around getting fat.  I have to assume he is approaching it in a healthy manner. Why would anyone choose to believe the opposite?  

 

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

Agreed....don't get why some are automatically assuming he will be slower? As an example, looking at a WR like DK Metcalf and how big he is, he's not slow

[akcash]

His Ceiling is Devante Adams.

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, The Dean said:

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

 

That would be a cool story comparing two players bulking up.......and the first one getting quicker/faster demonstrating that's how you do it.

 

If it were true.

 

The only Devin Singletary story of the offseason was how he had spent the entire offseason trying to get faster.

 

https://www.golongtd.com/p/what-fuels-motor-devin-singletary

 

It was very quiet on the Motor front before this article came out in April and there was no talk last offseason about him adding weight.......certainly not like Davis adding 17 pounds.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

45 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Correct. Muscle weighs more than fat.

 

Gabe is a guy who really works so he isn't sitting around getting fat.  I have to assume he is approaching it in a healthy manner. Why would anyone choose to believe the opposite?  

 

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

Please explain? How does a pound of muscle weigh more than a pound of fat or a pound of flesh?  

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Please explain? How does a pound of muscle weigh more than a pound of fat or a pound of flesh?  

Believe muscle just has more density. Weight is the same...although have always heard lot of ppl say muscle weighs more, but it's the density and not the weight.

 

 

[The Dean]

17 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Please explain? How does a pound of muscle weigh more than a pound of fat or a pound of flesh?  

 

 So, by your logic, ALL things weigh the same, as a pound is a pound?  Did I get that right?  A cup of feathers weighs less than a cup of BBs.  I never said, nor meant to imply a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat.  Where did you get that from?

 

Just FYI an ounce of feathers weighs MORE than an ounce of gold.

34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That would be a cool story comparing two players bulking up.......and the first one getting quicker/faster demonstrating that's how you do it.

 

If it were true.

 

The only Devin Singletary story of the offseason was how he had spent the entire offseason trying to get faster.

 

https://www.golongtd.com/p/what-fuels-motor-devin-singletary

 

It was very quiet on the Motor front before this article came out in April and there was no talk last offseason about him adding weight.......certainly not like Davis adding 17 pounds.

 

 

 

 

That article isn't what I am referring to.   There were pictures posted of Motors transformed body, especially the major growth of his thighs, on this board.  Several here, when viewing the evidence, claimed that would hinder his performance and speed. 

 

So, what's your point. Do you think Gabe is gaining fat weight?  Do you think he's bulking up on junk food?  Are you predicting he will be slower and/or less productive this year due to the extra weight?

 

I'm not concluding anything. I'm just saying this is a guy who trains very hard.  If he is gaining weight on purpose, I will assume it is done in the right way, and not simply adding fat. And I won't automatically assume that will make him slower or less effective, over the course of the season. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

While talking weight, any guesses on Dawkins this camp? Will he come to camp in the best shape of his life?

[The Dean]

This isn't the only article, as many of the pictures were on Twitter and such (that's what I recall, anyway).

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-devin-singletary-blocks-out-the-noise-while-putting-in-the-work-to-improve/article_3902cc42-c94f-11eb-9421-5bfa31ca2b65.html

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"I added more muscle," he said.

"What he did was he burned his fat and put on lean muscle mass," Hicks said. "I remember him leaving here and he was at 205, and he looked huge."

 

 

2 minutes ago, The Dean said:

This isn't the only article, as many of the pictures were on Twitter and such (that's what I recall, anyway).

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-devin-singletary-blocks-out-the-noise-while-putting-in-the-work-to-improve/article_3902cc42-c94f-11eb-9421-5bfa31ca2b65.html

 

 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-devin-singletary-workout/

55 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That would be a cool story comparing two players bulking up.......and the first one getting quicker/faster demonstrating that's how you do it.

 

If it were true.

 

The only Devin Singletary story of the offseason was how he had spent the entire offseason trying to get faster.

 

 

 

 

Guess it wasn't the ONLY story, huh?

[The Dean]

10 minutes ago, The Dean said:

This isn't the only article, as many of the pictures were on Twitter and such (that's what I recall, anyway).

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-devin-singletary-blocks-out-the-noise-while-putting-in-the-work-to-improve/article_3902cc42-c94f-11eb-9421-5bfa31ca2b65.html

 

 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-devin-singletary-workout/

 

Guess it wasn't the ONLY story, huh?

 

An old thread about this very subject, that apparently was NEVER a story:

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, The Dean said:

This isn't the only article, as many of the pictures were on Twitter and such (that's what I recall, anyway).

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-devin-singletary-blocks-out-the-noise-while-putting-in-the-work-to-improve/article_3902cc42-c94f-11eb-9421-5bfa31ca2b65.html

 

 

 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-devin-singletary-workout/

 

Guess it wasn't the ONLY story, huh?

 

 

 

There were a bunch of articles written about Singletary after the one that I linked..........but they were all a derivative of the same story.

 

His claims of getting faster thru focused training were much talked about.

 

But he didn't add any notable weight.

 

Read the story you posted......his trainer literally said that Singletary played at 203 in 2020 and was 205 coming to training camp..........basically the same body weight.

 

There is a big difference between just converting some fat to muscle without adding weight for your legs to carry and adding on 17 more pounds to your frame like Davis has reportedly done.

 

Nobody was saying that the same weight in muscle makes you slower than that weight in fat..........it's an absurd notion.........you are conflating two different things. 

 

Now if someone said "Singletary looks like he put on 17 pounds" when he did not...........that doesn't support your claim either........we don't know if Singetary would have played as well with 17 more pounds of weight.........because he didn't.

 

Do you understand or are you determined to push this lie?

 

[Doc Brown]

It's impossible to put on muscle without gaining some fat.  My guess is after training camp he'll drop a few pounds of fat while maintaining most of the muscle he built.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

An old thread about this very subject, that apparently was NEVER a story:

 

 

I know the author of that thread

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, The Dean said:

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

 

It was like he woke up one day and decided his life was now violence.  He took his existing field vision and elusiveness, and added the ability to carry one fool on his back while trucking another fool all the way to a first down.

 

Legendary run.

[H2o]

I know he has not blown up yet, but Gabe reminds me A LOT of Terrell Owens. His mentality is completely different, but he is the same type of physical specimen and has a lot of similar traits to Owens' game. This year, with him being the clear cut #2 going into the season, I expect him to have a breakout similar to Owens 3rd year in SF. 

[ganesh]

21 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Whew!  17 sounded like a lot.  

 

Interesting that the article says we will be a bigger and faster Gabriel Davis.  If that's true, he'll be a special target for Josh.   In the red zone, Josh will have a big strong guy and Diggs, who can beat pretty much anyone off the line.   Nice combo.  

And don't forget sneaky Knox

[Stank_Nasty]

13 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

Judging by hit squat form I'd say he has no idea what he wants. Surprised he didn't get hurt. I've been lifting for close to a decade 5 days a week.

I’d stay in your lane on that one. Just like all the Twitter bro’s should be doing in the comment section of his vid. As a fitness pro that works with numerous college athletes and multiple highschool football/wrestling programs it’s easy to see what’s being done there. In fact he flat out says at the end of the video it’s planned partials. 

Different ROM’s and speeds play different parts in structural and neural adaptations. This is more neural. And judging by his comments at the end of the clip I’d bet large money he does plenty of other squat variations(barbell or otherwise) where he sees a full ROM. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[Awwufelloff]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I’d stay in your lane on that one. Just like all the Twitter bro’s should be doing in the comment section of his vid. As a fitness pro that works with numerous college athletes and multiple highschool football  and wrestling programs it’s easy to see what’s being done there. In fact he flat out says at the end of the video it’s planned partials. 

Different ROM’s and speeds play different parts in structural and neural adaptations. This is more neural. And judging by his comments at the end of the clip I’d bet large money he does plenty of other squat variations(barbell or otherwise) where he sees a full ROM. 

If that's the case I'm good with it. I didn't read that anywhere but makes sense if it is indeed partials. 

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

If that's the case I'm good with it. I didn't read that anywhere but makes sense if it is indeed partials. 

He literally said at the end of the video he’s doing partials 

 

… The goal of the movement itself goes against any notion of speed/twitch loss. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[The Dean]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

There were a bunch of articles written about Singletary after the one that I linked..........but they were all a derivative of the same story.

 

His claims of getting faster thru focused training were much talked about.

 

But he didn't add any notable weight.

 

Read the story you posted......his trainer literally said that Singletary played at 203 in 2020 and was 205 coming to training camp..........basically the same body weight.

 

There is a big difference between just converting some fat to muscle without adding weight for your legs to carry and adding on 17 more pounds to your frame like Davis has reportedly done.

 

..........it's an absurd notion.........you are conflating two different things. 

 

Now if someone said "Singletary looks like he put on 17 pounds" when he did not...........that doesn't support your claim either........we don't know if Singetary would have played as well with 17 more pounds of weight.........because he didn't.

 

Do you understand or are you determined to push this lie?

 

 

 

The only person lying here is you.  You seem determined to attempt to twist what I said.  Let's reviews exactly what I posted. 

 

12 hours ago, The Dean said:

I remember hot-take idiots saying Singletary's major addition of muscle last year would slow him down and hurt his game.  How'd that turn out?

 

I never said, nor inferred, the discussion about Motor was about his weight. I said it was about his gaining muscle,  It WAS.  I already showed you the thread.

 

You keep tossing out absolutes that prove to be false. You posted the ONLY story last year was his working on speed. I've obviously showed you there were stories about his muscle gain . I never claimed it was the first story about Singletary. That the stories are derivative means absolutely nothing to my claim of their existence. 

 

I was saying, and will say again, there WERE stories about his muscle gain. And there was at least one thread about that on here. I've supplied it for your convenience.  Now you are saying:

 

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Nobody was saying that the same weight in muscle makes you slower than that weight in fat

 

 

Perhaps you skipped some replies on the thread I supplied.

 

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Adding muscle mass is rarely a good idea for a running back.

 

 

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Now his 40 time is 6.36

 

 

 

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I have to disagree here. Rbs adding muscle mass, rarely works out for the better. Your frame has to be able to support it, without losing any speed or quickness. Devin should be more focused on speed and quickness, than power.

 

So apparently your assertion that NOBODY was saying the added muscle would be bad, is in incorrect.  There were several mentions. 

 

 

I'm thinking you want me to be saying something I did not. I said exactly what I said. I backed up the analogy. 

 

Your insistence that I was conflating muscle and weight with respect to speed is an invention in your own mind. I never did that. The analogy was about hot-take reactions to a player changing his physique in some way, and assuming it will be a negative impact. Pretty simple. And true.

 

[The Dean]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's impossible to put on muscle without gaining some fat.  My guess is after training camp he'll drop a few pounds of fat while maintaining most of the muscle he built.

 

Is this true?  Impossible?  Do those fat loads who transform their bodies into muscles  are actually gaining MORE fat?  I'm no expert in this, but this sounds wrong.

Edited July 14, 2022 by The Dean

[RunTheBall]

34 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

Is this true?  Impossible?  Do those fat loads who transform their bodies into muscles  are actually gaining MORE fat?  I'm no expert in this, but this sounds wrong.

It’s true, but you can effect the ratio of muscle/fat when putting on weight with proper nutrition and training. You are either catabolic, neutral, or anabolic. It’s the rare sweet spot where you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time and that usually requires anabolics or happens when someone goes from sedentary to physically active. It’s a little easier to maintain muscle mass while losing fat but if you cut hard enough you are definitely losing muscle without anabolics. Again, proper nutrition and training can minimize the muscle loss while emphasizing fat loss so you weigh less but have a lower body fat percentage.

[BigAl2526]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:01 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s up 7lbs if you read the article.

This.  The article states more specifically that he was listed at 210lbs last season, but actually played at 220.  He is up to 227 lbs now.  Whether he played at 220 or 223 as has also been stated, 227 is only  a modest weight gain.  His trainer says the gain is muscle mass, and he's actually faster this year.  As focused as Davis seems to be, there is no reason to disbelieve his trainer's claims.

[KDIGGZ]

Gabe saw the viral pic with him next to Josh flexing and Josh was way bigger and clearly he wanted to catch up

[wppete]

21 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

227 and standing next to Allen he still looked like he was 210.

 

I bet Allen is checking in at 240-250

 
Josh is definitely over 250. I’m guessing 255lbs 

[Stank_Nasty]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

 
Josh is definitely over 250. I’m guessing 255lbs 

Last year, late in the the season, in an interview with McAfee he said he was sitting at 245 and the coaches liked him 3-5 lighter than that. I’d bet he comes into the season 245-250 and takes a couple off naturally in august. 
 

A lot of these guys come into camp 5-10 up and then the grind naturally does it’s thing leaning them out a bit. 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Is this true?  Impossible?  Do those fat loads who transform their bodies into muscles  are actually gaining MORE fat?  I'm no expert in this, but this sounds wrong.

It's true.  You can minimize it but that's why serious body builders go from a bulk phase to a cut phase.

[The Dean]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/07/14/gabriel-davis-has-added-muscle-this-offseason-now-weighs-227/

 

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Davis has not missed a workout since the 2021 season ended and now weighs 227. Whigham said Davis played last season at around 220...

 

“He’s bigger, faster, stronger,” Whigham told Kyed. “He’s put on muscle. People say that’s too big, but he’s 23 years old. He’s just growing into his natural body. You’re going to see a big receiver.”

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

The only person lying here is you.  You seem determined to attempt to twist what I said.  Let's reviews exactly what I posted. 

 

 

I never said, nor inferred, the discussion about Motor was about his weight. I said it was about his gaining muscle,  It WAS.  I already showed you the thread.

 

You keep tossing out absolutes that prove to be false. You posted the ONLY story last year was his working on speed. I've obviously showed you there were stories about his muscle gain . I never claimed it was the first story about Singletary. That the stories are derivative means absolutely nothing to my claim of their existence. 

 

I was saying, and will say again, there WERE stories about his muscle gain. And there was at least one thread about that on here. I've supplied it for your convenience.  Now you are saying:

 

 

Perhaps you skipped some replies on the thread I supplied.

 

 

 

 

 

So apparently your assertion that NOBODY was saying the added muscle would be bad, is in incorrect.  There were several mentions. 

 

 

I'm thinking you want me to be saying something I did not. I said exactly what I said. I backed up the analogy. 

 

Your insistence that I was conflating muscle and weight with respect to speed is an invention in your own mind. I never did that. The analogy was about hot-take reactions to a player changing his physique in some way, and assuming it will be a negative impact. Pretty simple. And true.

 

 

 

The implication in that thread was that Motor inevitably got heavier by putting on muscle........hence the "his frame needs to be abe to support".    It's about weight.   Now if the argument is that you can reach a point where you are more susceptible to soft tissue injuries by over building muscles at the expense of body fat.........again.......a different argument than the scarecrow you are trying to build.

[Stank_Nasty]

5 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I see too many videos of Josh chuggin' cheap Beer...

Nope. Never enough. 

[The Dean]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The implication in that thread was that Motor inevitably got heavier by putting on muscle........hence the "his frame needs to be abe to support".    It's about weight.   Now if the argument is that you can reach a point where you are more susceptible to soft tissue injuries by over building muscles at the expense of body fat.........again.......a different argument than the scarecrow you are trying to build.

 

 

Sorry. That's YOUR implication, not mine.  EVERYTHING I said in this thread has been supported.  The reports and thread I referred to exist, despite your insistence they did not.

 

I NEVER implied the Motor situation was about weight. You can try to mind read all you want, but you are completely unqualified to read mine. There was only ONE argument I presented. Last year people made comments Motor's muscle gain would hamper his game. There is ZERO doubt that happened. Any other meaning you are trying to create, is of your own invention.

 

I know you are far too arrogant to admit it, but give it a try.  Fonzie almost pulled it off.

 

 

 

[wppete]

3 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

I see too many videos of Josh chuggin' cheap Beer...

[The Dean]

33 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

 

 

 I'm no fan of cheap beer. But if you are going to chug, isn't that the best use of cheap beer?

 

I know when our group gets together every year, we make it a point to shoot at least one beer.  But we don't waste the good beer on that activity.  Maybe something like Blue, or Blue Light

Edited July 15, 2022 by The Dean

[Coastie]

On 7/13/2022 at 5:43 PM, BruceVilanch said:

For anyone interested, I'm up 30 pounds 15 years after the military.

LOL, you did far better than I, I was up 70 after 5. Down to just up 30 now and would love to get rid of that.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Sorry. That's YOUR implication, not mine.  EVERYTHING I said in this thread has been supported.  The reports and thread I referred to exist, despite your insistence they did not.

 

I NEVER implied the Motor situation was about weight. You can try to mind read all you want, but you are completely unqualified to read mine. There was only ONE argument I presented. Last year people made comments Motor's muscle gain would hamper his game. There is ZERO doubt that happened. Any other meaning you are trying to create, is of your own invention.

 

I know you are far too arrogant to admit it, but give it a try.  Fonzie almost pulled it off.

 

 

 

 

 

Nah, you are just acting a fool.

 

The people you cited to make your asinine argument were concerned about Singletary adding weight to his frame by getting more muscular.

 

He didn't add weight.

 

It's a different situation than Davis adding 17 pounds to his body over the past two seasons by muscling up. 

 

Every season there are players who bulked up in the offseason and find that the added weight slows them down........whether it's lean muscle or otherwise.  Just like some players,  like Jon Feliciano and AJ Epenesa last offseason, find out that losing weight has reduced their power.

 

It's a founded concern.

 

The organizations stated key to turning this receiver corps from unproductive in 2018 to dynamic in 2019 was replacing bigger receivers with smaller, quicker players who could get open FAST.    

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[The Dean]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Nah, you are just acting a fool.

 

The people you cited to make your asinine argument were concerned about Singletary adding weight to his frame by getting more muscular.

 

He didn't add weight.

 

It's a different situation than Davis adding 17 pounds to his body over the past two seasons by muscling up. 

 

Every season there are players who bulked up in the offseason and find that the added weight slows them down........whether it's lean muscle or otherwise.  Just like some players,  like Jon Feliciano and AJ Epenesa last offseason, find out that losing weight has reduced their power.

 

It's a founded concern.

 

The organizations stated key to turning this receiver corps from unproductive in 2018 to dynamic in 2019 was replacing bigger receivers with smaller, quicker players who could get open FAST.    

 

 

 

 

Doesn't all that spinning make you dizzy? 

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Coach Tuesday

Community Member

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Posted May 12, 2021

Adding muscle mass is rarely a good idea for a running back.

 

 

No weight gain mention nor implied. You may infer it, but that's coming from YOU.

 

Any real man would have simply said, "Sorry Brian, I misinterpreted your post".  Or "I had forgotten about that thread"

 

But you aren't nearly enough of a man to admit a mistake.  So I'm done with you. Just know I left you twisting around trying to justify your inability to poke a hole in my analogy.  I'd done with you here. It would be too cruel to belittle you further. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Doesn't all that spinning make you dizzy? 

 

No weight gain mention nor implied. You may infer it, but that's coming from YOU.

 

Any real man would have simply said, "Sorry Brian, I misinterpreted your post".  Or "I had forgotten about that thread"

 

But you aren't nearly enough of a man to admit a mistake.  So I'm done with you. Just know I left you twisting around trying to justify your inability to poke a hole in my analogy.  I'd done with you here. It would be too cruel to belittle you further. 

 

 

Adding muscle mass = adding weight

 

Simply turning your existing pounds into leaner muscle without gaining weight is not "adding mass"............it's just adding muscle while subtracting less lean body weight.

 

You are trying to run with the misconception at the time that Singletary may have bulked up signficantly.....and again......he did not.

 

Getting heavier to get quicker and faster would not have been sensible..........and this is common sense, after all.

 

As for the real man stuff............I always thought you were more of a mama's boy type. 

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[Buffalo716]

Take this love affair to PM 

 

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Edited July 15, 2022 by Buffalo716