GoBills808 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because the system we have with its imperfections is the system we have to trust. Trust to do what? You seem to be operating under the assumption that they’re meant to do the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Trust to do what? You seem to be operating under the assumption that they’re meant to do the same thing. I am saying totally the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am saying totally the opposite. Then what are the actual courts ‘better at doing’ than the court of public opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Then what are the actual courts ‘better at doing’ than the court of public opinion? When people say they don't like certain decisions of the courts then the reality is you have to consider the alternative. And it is infinitely worse. That is the point. You have to have a system. 14 minutes ago, Gugny said: What's this "we" stuff? You live in the U.K., and @GoBills808lives on some third world pacific island. Ha well for these purposes I was lumping our system in with yours which is largely based on ours. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: When people say they don't like certain decisions of the courts then the reality is you have to consider the alternative. And it is infinitely worse. That is the point. You have to have a system. The courts exist to dispense enforceable restitution. The court of public opinion exists for randoms to weigh in on matters legal and otherwise. They're not remotely comparable is the actual point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: The court is run by humans who are imperfect. People are wrongly found guilty and wrongly found innocent. I am not against the system we have, but I understand it is not perfect. Your contention that over half of the women are lying is the very definition of a kangaroo court. Nice job comrade. I was going to write the same thing but I assume the term "half" here was just an off the cuff wild ass guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, GoBills808 said: The courts exist to dispense enforceable restitution. The court of public opinion exists for randoms to weigh in on matters legal and otherwise. They're not remotely comparable is the actual point. I don't think you are saying anything different to what I have said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I'm surprised Rusty Hardon couldn't get a good response up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I do hope he is suspended for the year, and that the NFL finds some way to make the Browns hurt financially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 How could Watson have not provided his legal team with the names of all of the masseuses he’s used?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: How could Watson have not provided his legal team with the names of all of the masseuses he’s used?? When you get over a 100 masseuses it gets hard to keep track of them all, luckily 24 of them are helping him out with that. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Warcodered said: When you get over a 100 masseuses it gets hard to keep track of them all, luckily 24 of them are helping him out with that. Instead of a facial line up, maybe they should just just show the girls hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, CSBill said: I do hope he is suspended for the year, and that the NFL finds some way to make the Browns hurt financially. Deshaun should never step a foot on an NFL football field ever again. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Who’d a thunk Baker could come out of this looking like a brilliant option? They thought he wasn’t good enough, so they opted for THIS! That guaranteed contract is NOT a comp. It was an act of idiocy! I have to text my Browns fan buddy a note of condolence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, wppete said: Deshaun should never step a foot on an NFL football field ever again. Good thing the Browns just gave him 230 million no matter what! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Good thing the Browns just gave him 230 million no matter what! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) If the Trevor Bauer suspension is a guide....Watson will hit the field again just after the End of Days.....but MLB is not the NFL. Rusty Hardin's evolvement has went from: - This is a character assassination on the part of the Texans, to - There is no truth to any of this and all these women are liars, to - Happy endings are normal and not illegal Next may be a little **zz in the face never hurt anyone.... Edited June 7, 2022 by JoeF 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: How could Watson have not provided his legal team with the names of all of the masseuses he’s used?? My guess is he did and Hardin wants to make it look like this case came up out of the blue to portray it as a money grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: My guess is he did and Hardin wants to make it look like this case came up out of the blue to portray it as a money grab. It’s also possible that Watson tried to name them all but that there were so many that he forgot a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Worst case for browns isn’t a full season suspension, it is 12 games. If he’s out for the year, his contract tolls and they get the small cap hit for him next year and keep the 5 years of control. 12 game suspension would put them out of contention this year AND his contract doesn’t toll, so they move into 4 straight years of $55 mill cap hits, 2 of which they have no 1st round pick. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Find someone who loves you like Jimmy Haslam loves sexual predators 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Worst case for browns isn’t a full season suspension, it is 12 games. If he’s out for the year, his contract tolls and they get the small cap hit for him next year and keep the 5 years of control. 12 game suspension would put them out of contention this year AND his contract doesn’t toll, so they move into 4 straight years of $55 mill cap hits, 2 of which they have no 1st round pick. Good point. But if Watson is suspended for a full season—on top of playing zero football for the past 18 months—I think the guy’s career is pretty much in the toilet. As it is, I don’t think Watson will ever be what he was before he was revealed to be a perverted menace to massage therapists. As we’ve learned, playing QB in the NFL is as much about leadership as anything, and a guy like this is never going to lead an NFL franchise again. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Good point. But if Watson is suspended for a full season—on top of playing zero football for the past 18 months—I think the guy’s career is pretty much in the toilet. As it is, I don’t think Watson will ever be what he was before he was revealed to be a perverted menace to massage therapists. As we’ve learned, playing QB in the NFL is as much about leadership as anything, and a guy like this is never going to lead an NFL franchise again. Then there is the mental toil it takes as well. And just the rustiness after 2 years of not playing... Warren Sapp always used to say there are two positions you can't play in the NFL straight off your sofa - being the passer and rushing the passer. It is absolutely legit to wonder if he is ever capable of being as good of a player as he was before when, and if, he gets back on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 A 25th is coming right? I think we will hear of in the next 2 weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Gugny said: "Watson's lawyer claims that 'happy endings' are common in massage therapy and, short of paying extra for it, such conduct is not a crime," the lawsuit reads. Speaking of lawyer’s strategies: while that might be true from a criminal standpoint, how does that admission not invite suspension from the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Speaking of lawyer’s strategies: while that might be true from a criminal standpoint, how does that admission not invite suspension from the league? I imagine they consider that a sunk cost at this point. He is going to get a league suspension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 12 hours ago, Augie said: Who’d a thunk Baker could come out of this looking like a brilliant option? They thought he wasn’t good enough, so they opted for THIS! That guaranteed contract is NOT a comp. It was an act of idiocy! I have to text my Browns fan buddy a note of condolence. Also, this is all after apparently saying they wanted to move on from Baker to get more of an adult at the position. 🙄🤦♂️ 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Speaking of lawyer’s strategies: while that might be true from a criminal standpoint, how does that admission not invite suspension from the league? I would think the question would be, if the complaints include unwanted sexual advances resulting in at least one woman brought to tears, does that constitute sexual assault? It would seem so. I would certainly expect the league would view that way, especially given the number of complaints. Are there simply cases of gold diggers?...more than likely, but one thing proven in each one is that Watson's one stupid dude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, nosejob said: I would think the question would be, if the complaints include unwanted sexual advances resulting in at least one woman brought to tears, does that constitute sexual assault? It would seem so. I would certainly expect the league would view that way, especially given the number of complaints. Are there simply cases of gold diggers?...more than likely, but one thing proven in each one is that Watson's one stupid dude. Supposedly he was doing this back in his Clemson day's as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 The problem with anyone defending Watson claiming people are just after his money or whatever is that you don't see it happening with other high profile players. There's a lot of big name NFL players who make a lot of $$ that you can't find anyone who will say anything negative about them off the field, much less something like Watson's accusations. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: The problem with anyone defending Watson claiming people are just after his money or whatever is that you don't see it happening with other high profile players. There's a lot of big name NFL players who make a lot of $$ that you can't find anyone who will say anything negative about them off the field, much less something like Watson's accusations. he's definitely put himself in this position...that's for sure. is every account honest or accurate? who knows, but the guy needs to be dealt with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Supposedly he was doing this back in his Clemson day's as well. I have not seen that! Sheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, teef said: he's definitely put himself in this position...that's for sure. is every account honest or accurate? who knows, but the guy needs to be dealt with. Here's my take on it. Why do you need to pay for sex from massage therapists when you're an NFL superstar? You don't even need to have game...the girls come to you. Just go out to a local club and you should have your choosing of whatever girl you want. He should be able to go to an Applebees and pick on some women. I mean I got laid as an Applebees waiter in college when I drove a 1998 Forest Green Honda Accord and colored my hair red one summer. Linkin Park was the **** in 2001. 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I have not seen that! Sheesh It's hearsay. I have a lot of friends who are big Clemson fans...only a few hours away from me in Atlanta. The rumors are he was like this in college as well...but this is just rumors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Here's my take on it. Why do you need to pay for sex from massage therapists when you're an NFL superstar? You don't even need to have game...the girls come to you. Just go out to a local club and you should have your choosing of whatever girl you want. He should be able to go to an Applebees and pick on some women. I mean I got laid as an Applebees waiter in college when I drove a 1998 Forest Green Honda Accord and colored my hair red one summer. Linkin Park was the **** in 2001. It's hearsay. I have a lot of friends who are big Clemson fans...only a few hours away from me in Atlanta. The rumors are he was like this in college as well...but this is just rumors. Given the number of apparent victims, he certainly seems like a serial predator which you can usually count on to have done what they're compelled to do at previous places and they don't usually stop. Also it's probably less about the sex and more about the feeling he gets getting these woman to do what he wants. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Given the number of apparent victims, he certainly seems like a serial predator which you can usually count on to have done what they're compelled to do at previous places and they don't usually stop. Also it's probably less about the sex and more about the feeling he gets getting these woman to do what he wants. Ewwww. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Given the number of apparent victims, he certainly seems like a serial predator which you can usually count on to have done what they're compelled to do at previous places and they don't usually stop. Also it's probably less about the sex and more about the feeling he gets getting these woman to do what he wants. I honestly don't even think it is that because from the stories most of them don't do what he wants once it becomes clear what is going on. I strongly suspect he gets his kicks out of the shock and the embarrassment / humiliation of the situation for the women involved. That is generally the arousal point for flashers and those who practice this sort of indecent exposure. If it leads to more physical sexual contact as alleged in some circumstances then all the better for him but it would appear his perversion is the exhibition element as much as the contact. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 19 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Sexual assault applies to more than just rape. Yeah but what was she wearing/why didn’t she just leave the room? /sarcasm 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Worst case for browns isn’t a full season suspension, it is 12 games. If he’s out for the year, his contract tolls and they get the small cap hit for him next year and keep the 5 years of control. 12 game suspension would put them out of contention this year AND his contract doesn’t toll, so they move into 4 straight years of $55 mill cap hits, 2 of which they have no 1st round pick. What do you mean the contracts "tolls"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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