Dr. Who Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: So in your mind, citing a person’s ‘environmentalism’ in a case where he murdered black people is just as relevant as the fact that he’s a white nationalist…all while lecturing folks on being ghoulish😂😂😂 Are you intentionally dim? I'm just pointing out that he is an individual with a unique profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: This is really upsetting. No way this kid should have had access to body armor and an assault rifle. Somewhere along the way the system failed. Just to be clear this is NOT a message about gun control which I am fairly moderate on. But there has to be some mechanism in place to make sure people like this don't have tactical combat gear in their hands. That is the bare minimum of what we should be able to do as a society. I have been known to waffle on this. Sure I agree that he shouldn’t have access but I also don’t know that perception of a system is a reasonable standard. So how do you manage in the gray space below perfection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, StHustle said: I can’t find that interview anywhere. Sure it was Channel 4? Was on wivb ch 4 last night. They talked to an FBI agent right after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Are you intentionally dim? I'm just pointing out that he is an individual with a unique profile. Wouldn’t be a Sunday on the football messageboard without getting called dim by someone who finds it necessary to type the phrase ‘individual with a unique profile’! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 20 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: The idea has to originate somewhere, so in that sense it’s copied. Apparently this kid live streamed it on twitch and lists the New Zealand shooter as one of his heroes. I guess my point is, do you think we’d have so many of these shootings if they never got coverage? I know it’s an impossible question because it couldn’t happen, but people copy what they see. You’re right in that they’ll find a way to express that hatred, but I have no doubt they love the attention of these mass shootings. And just like the New Zealand shooter, this PoS travelled from a different region to inflict his damage. (The NZ shooter was actually an Aussie who came here to do that despicable deed.) May they both rot in their cells. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Bad Things said: And just like the New Zealand shooter, this PoS travelled from a different region to inflict his damage. (The NZ shooter was actually an Aussie who came here to do that despicable deed.) May they both rot in their cells. yeah unfortunately I have knowledge of that Aussie creep because his manifesto swayed a young man here to go into a synagogue less than 5 miles from my house to shoot and kill only 1 person (because his magazine jammed thank goodness or it could have been more). It really is a shame that the internet makes things like this last forever. That manifesto has done nothing but wreak destruction I say BURN IT. It goes beyond vitriol speech it advocates murder. It's just wrong. The thought that people buy into this hate makes me sick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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muppy Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 This discussion could easily sway into bitterness and anger because we are all I think FRUSTRATED that any community should have to deal with something like this. But when it hits close to home it seems even more present, more painful for we as individuals. The debate over guns and how to prevent such a problem like this seems to go nowhere. As others have stated because its the person who has the available gun to use which is the instrument of carnage, but the person is the holder of the gun and puller of the trigger ultimately responsible. Its such a circular premise it goes round and round and round. Its no wonder we feel hopeless. Honestly right now I think a solution will need to somehow address both sides of the issue. Aka the availibility for a person who threatened a high school to be able to get a gun> WTAF?? I wonder if our society isnt too far gone. Guns aren't going anywhere, hate isnt going anywhere, and Evil wins right? ***** THAT. I won't accept that. All I can do I guess as a person is live and demonstrate as much love as I possibly can, live by the golden rule, and thirdly the most sad but for me is true, accept that leaving your home puts you in risk and BE READY and Know where you are going after you die having faith in a Higher Power. It is why prayer is advocated. Its like the ONLY Power I believe could cause a solution to this mess. sorry for the vent. Im processing. Im sick to death of processing this kind of act 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: DITTO JOSH DITTO 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: Again don't turn my thread into a race argument He lived because he followed directions and put the gun down .. and he surrendered He's a piece of ***** and we probably could save the money from a trial... But he surrendered We come together in the City of Buffalo ... It took an outsider to do this to us Don't race bait Black white hispanic Asian Will all come together in the city It's a thread about a racially motivated mass shooting. Not sure what you are talking about now. And I'm pretty sure if the killer was a black guy, he would have been lit up on the spot, pointing a gun at the cops---that's far less likely to end with an arraignment for a black perp. That has nothing to do with "Buffalo" or whatever it is you are going on about now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It's a thread about a racially motivated mass shooting. Not sure what you are talking about now. And I'm pretty sure if the killer was a black guy, he would have been lit up on the spot, pointing a gun at the cops---that's far less likely to end with an arraignment for a black perp. That has nothing to do with "Buffalo" or whatever it is you are going on about now. Seeing how he apparently planned on surrendering from the start he probably didn't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It's a thread about a racially motivated mass shooting. Not sure what you are talking about now. And I'm pretty sure if the killer was a black guy, he would have been lit up on the spot, pointing a gun at the cops---that's far less likely to end with an arraignment for a black perp. That has nothing to do with "Buffalo" or whatever it is you are going on about now. A racially motivated shooting doesn't equal all white guys are bad , and saying that they'd kill a black guy in the same situation is stirring flames That's trying to stir up racial tensions The City of Buffalo needs love, not people trying to say that they let him live cuz he's white and they would have killed a black man Take that to PPP not my thread It Took an outsider to commit a heinous act on my city... No white person in the city is celebrating today We're all hurting A crazy person committed a heinous act and he is white... 99.9999% of white people would never even think of doing anything like that We all stand with the victims Edited May 15, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Seeing how he apparently planned on surrendering from the start he probably didn't do that. "The alleged manifesto carries on for numerous pages about the type of gear that was chosen specifically for the attack, from his helmet and weapon all the way down to his underwear. It plots his breakfast, arrival time, live stream and getaway." He had 2 more guns in his car for other parts of the neighborhood after TOPS. 14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: A racially motivated shooting doesn't equal all white guys are bad And it absolutely doesn't mean you need to throw your opinion in that they would kill a black man but they let the white guy live That's trying to stir up racial tensions The City of Buffalo needs love, not people trying to say that they let him live cuz he's white and they would have killed a black man Take that to PPP not my thread It Took an outsider to commit a heinous act on my city... No white person in the city is celebrating today We're all hurting I didn't even hint at any of that. Edited May 15, 2022 by Mr. WEO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "The alleged manifesto carries on for numerous pages about the type of gear that was chosen specifically for the attack, from his helmet and weapon all the way down to his underwear. It plots his breakfast, arrival time, live stream and getaway." I didn't even hint at any of that. But you did hint that they let him live cuz he's white My city doesn't need that opinion ... We need prayers The city is mourning And yeah if it makes you feel better, they should have lit him up like a Christmas tree Edited May 15, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, muppy said: sorry for the vent. Im processing. Im sick to death of processing this kind of act Nothing wrong with "letting it out" Muppy, nothing at all. My vent is the "unfairness" of so many of the victims of these shooting. These targets just seem to be the most innocent in so many of these killings. Churchgoers in Charleston, synagogue worshippers in Pittsburg and Texas, and even children not much older than babies in Sandy Hook. Now in Buffalo, a respected former police officer, a grandmother and mother of a Buffalo Fire Commissioner and now I just heard a father who stopped in at Tops to buy cupcakes for his kids Birthday party. The quality in life I judge as the most important is fairness. I see the extreme opposite in the acts. I have no answer except to demand a rational response from myself and others. If that happens enough maybe the tide can turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: But you did hint that they let him live cuz he's white My city doesn't need that opinion ... We need prayers The city is mourning And yeah if it makes you feel better, they should have lit him up like a Christmas tree Lot of folks in that Buffalo neighborhood are saying this same thing right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Lot of folks in that Buffalo neighborhood are saying this same thing right now It's an easy opinion to have.. Doesn't make it correct and I'm in that neighborhood and there's a lot of people who aren't saying that Edited May 15, 2022 by Buffalo716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Watched the video. Jesus Christ. He actually pointed the gun at a white male on the ground behind a register and when the guy screamed don’t shoot he apologized to him. Said I’m sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: It's an easy opinion to have.. Doesn't make it correct and I'm in that neighborhood and there's a lot of people who aren't saying that Ask some of the black folks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: Are you intentionally dim? I'm just pointing out that he is an individual with a unique profile. And in doing so you are minimizing influences in our society that provoke this kind of attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Ask some of the black folks... You're simple-minded Cops Shoot white people all the time.. and the guy surrendered They didn't shoot him because he surrendered The murderer was literally trying to incite race riots in my city... Pitting black against White But we're better than that here ... We're the city of good neighbors We're not going to let an outsider destroy us Edited May 15, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 3 hours ago, TH3 said: Our country has decided that this stuff is an acceptable cost to unfettered access to guns and free and unaccountabile actions on the internet. Other countries have decided it is not. And that’s what it boils down to right there. The right to bear arms supersedes all mass shootings and other forms of gun violence. Not sure that will ever change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Watched the video. Jesus Christ. He actually pointed the gun at a white male on the ground behind a register and when the guy screamed don’t shoot he apologized to him. Said I’m sorry. Why do that to yourself. 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Ask some of the black folks... What exactly is your argument here that they should have shot him to be fair to people who were shot in different incidents? Why the ***** is that the issues here? Edited May 15, 2022 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: And that’s what it boils down to right there. The right to bear arms supersedes all mass shootings and other forms of gun violence. Not sure that will ever change. As Antonin Scalia himself opined in his Heller opinion, the right to bear arms is NOT an unlimited right. Unfortunately our elected officials, in their quest not to upset a small portion of their constituency, lack the moral courage to do what’s right and pass the necessary laws. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Wouldn’t be a Sunday on the football messageboard without getting called dim by someone who finds it necessary to type the phrase ‘individual with a unique profile’! Repetition can be used as a rhetorical device. It's an emphasis, as opposed to those who want to use this fella to indict half of America. But you go on with your condescension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: As Antonin Scalia himself opined in his Heller opinion, the right to bear arms is NOT an unlimited right. Unfortunately our elected officials, in their quest not to upset a small portion of their constituency, lack the moral courage to do what’s right and pass the necessary laws. 32 percent of Americans own a gun and 44 percent live in a house with a gun. It’s not a small percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: And in doing so you are minimizing influences in our society that provoke this kind of attack Well, I do not assent to those who are claiming this fella is representative of viewers of a particular television network or who vote a certain party. I don't believe white supremacy is an agenda pushed by conservatives, if that is what you are asserting or implying. Regardless, if that is your position, it is a prejudice with which dialogue is not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: 32 percent of Americans own a gun and 44 percent live in a house with a gun. It’s not a small percentage. They’ve polled gun owners for years and those polls suggest that most gun owners are in favor of bans on assault rifles and high volume magazines as well as stricter back ground checks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: They’ve polled gun owners for years and those polls suggest that most gun owners are in favor of bans on assault rifles and high volume magazines as well as stricter back ground checks. that’s a different convo. You said gun owners were a small percentage of voters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Wouldn’t be a Sunday on the football messageboard without getting called dim by someone who finds it necessary to type the phrase ‘individual with a unique profile’! To be fair, you are the same person who compared a weather event to copycat humans by asking “would there be less tornadoes if the media didn’t cover them?” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Just now, JayBaller10 said: To be fair, you are the same person who compared a weather event to copycat humans by asking “would there be less tornadoes if the media didn’t cover them?” Lmfao fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Why do that to yourself. What exactly is your argument here that they should have shot him to be fair to people who were shot in different incidents? Why the ***** is that the issues here? Twofold: 1, they should have blown him away on the spot, not out of “fairness” (wtf??) but because he was an immediate threat and he had just murdered many. Save the legal/penal system lots of money. the prosecution rests 2. that would likely have been the outcome if he was black simple 39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You're simple-minded Cops Shoot white people all the time.. and the guy surrendered They didn't shoot him because he surrendered The murderer was literally trying to incite race riots in my city... Pitting black against White But we're better than that here ... We're the city of good neighbors We're not going to let an outsider destroy us ok so you’ll get back to me after you poll the neighborhood? I’m simple minded 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Twofold: 1, they should have blown him away on the spot, not out of “fairness” (wtf??) but because he was an immediate threat and he had just murdered many. Save the legal/penal system lots of money. the prosecution rests 2. that would likely have been the outcome if he was black simple So then your saying that the problem isn't that they're unfairly killing black people but unfairly not killing white people....really? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicagobills Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Nate Geary from WGR with the worst take of all time. I lost all respect for him today 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 15, 2022 Author Share Posted May 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Twofold: 1, they should have blown him away on the spot, not out of “fairness” (wtf??) but because he was an immediate threat and he had just murdered many. Save the legal/penal system lots of money. the prosecution rests 2. that would likely have been the outcome if he was black simple ok so you’ll get back to me after you poll the neighborhood? I’m simple minded Listen I know there are black people that feel that way I understand that fully I also now we're a better City then to let an outsider destroy us The cops responded in one minute to save those black people's lives in that market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Twofold: 1, they should have blown him away on the spot, not out of “fairness” (wtf??) but because he was an immediate threat and he had just murdered many. Save the legal/penal system lots of money. the prosecution rests 2. that would likely have been the outcome if he was black simple Just execute this punk ass kid immediately. Turn him into fertilizer and send him to hell. This country's obsession with guns will never end. Edited May 15, 2022 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: So then your saying that the problem isn't that they're unfairly killing black people but unfairly not killing white people....really? I'm not sure what you're struggling with at this point. The likelihood fo being shot by police as a black man is more than twice as high as it is for a white man. So I am simply saying he likely would have been shot if black. I know you know this already so why are you pretending to not understand my straightforward statement? 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Listen I know there are black people that feel that way I understand that fully I also now we're a better City then to let an outsider destroy us The cops responded in one minute to save those black people's lives in that market Atta boy. Should have led with that 3 posts ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 This is probably an OTW thread and there is one discussing this topic already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Were they playing football before or after they were playing paintball/Nerf guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Twofold: 1, they should have blown him away on the spot, not out of “fairness” (wtf??) but because he was an immediate threat and he had just murdered many. Save the legal/penal system lots of money. the prosecution rests 2. that would likely have been the outcome if he was black 1.) That's not how things are done in a civilized society. 2.) You have no way to prove your second point and it's insulting to police officers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 This ain’t Bills related and as much as we all detest the shooter, we don’t need to talk about him or his family on the Bills section. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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