gonzo1105 Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 This is a guy that I hope Beane goes after. Right up the Bills alley too. Need a Guard who can compete for a starting job or replace Saffold in a year. Only 23 years old. Think he got caught up in the Eagles interior o-line numbers game after the draft. I would actually offer him a 3 year deal and let him compete. He can also play Center 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 No way! Wait, who? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) You should probably update the title to this thread adding an '!' after the word "released". Your enthusiasm warrants it! Edited May 3, 2022 by cage 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 He nate her big what?!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 (edited) How big is she? (You know Herbig) - I will show my self out. I have no issue going after these types of signings - young with experience - not sure he is good enough to make the team and had a terrible RAS score, but probably intelligent with a Stanford education. Edited May 3, 2022 by Rochesterfan 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 Not their type: 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not their type: 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not their type: thanks, Feliciano RAS was 3.17 and D Williams a 3.37. so this dude is radio-active to the Bills FO I strongly believe the punch and power days of our O-Line are over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I think we have enough competition. If he is comparable to what we have and cheaper than maybe but I like where we are now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 What is the obsession with adding guards to this team? They have nine going into camp. Maybe they add another guy here or there, but highly doubt they are looking to add another swing guard or starter right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 3, 2022 Author Share Posted May 3, 2022 Boy tough crowd today. 23 year old guard with 17 starts on a good offensive line in Philly. If he was 30 I would have not even posted but guys his age with starts don’t come on the market often. I tried to find a place in a current thread and couldn’t really find one 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 30 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Boy tough crowd today. 23 year old guard with 17 starts on a good offensive line in Philly. If he was 30 I would have not even posted but guys his age with starts don’t come on the market often. I tried to find a place in a current thread and couldn’t really find one I don't think he is a scheme fit, but may work on a gap team. He seems like a good dude and still young, but the Bills seem to be moving way from this type of player. As a cheap backup to compete at center and guard? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 59 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: What is the obsession with adding guards to this team? They have nine going into camp. Maybe they add another guy here or there, but highly doubt they are looking to add another swing guard or starter right now. Ever watch our current back OGs play football? That’s the obsession. Our backup IOL are bad and: Saffold has shoulder issues and is old. Morse has concussion issues. bates has never started more than 4 games in an nfl season. Why would we NOT be obsessed with adding one competent IOL. Herbig is better than our current depth. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I would bring in every FA IOL I could if they represent a possible upgrade to someone already on our roster. Just because we signed some FA's doesn't mean we stop kicking tires. If Beane, McD, and Kroger say he is a possible upgrade then I suspect they'll sign sed player. If they don't sign him then he wasn't an upgrade in their minds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 2 hours ago, cage said: You should probably update the title to this thread adding an '!' after the word "released". Your enthusiasm warrants it! I don’t know, I think the thread title should just be “Nate Herbig”…imagine the intrigue…the eye traffic that would generate would be amazing… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not their type: That’s nothing. I present to you our favorite Buffalo Bill, Bobby Hart: 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 I have to say, with a name like Herbig, you know he is all about the bass about the bass... No Treble 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 3, 2022 Share Posted May 3, 2022 8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Not their type: Bobby Johnson is begging the Giants to sign him as we speak… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 10:21 AM, NewEra said: Ever watch our current back OGs play football? That’s the obsession. Our backup IOL are bad and: Saffold has shoulder issues and is old. Morse has concussion issues. bates has never started more than 4 games in an nfl season. Why would we NOT be obsessed with adding one competent IOL. Herbig is better than our current depth. Most of your points here are hyperbolic. Saffold may be old, I get that, but he has been mainly healthy for the better part of the last 6 seasons. Morse's "concussion issues" have forced him to miss one game due to injury since he signed here. Bates, may not have started more than 4 games in an NFL season, but that didnt stop the Bills from paying him starting guard money. Beyond that he helped solidify a Oline that played pretty good football down the back stretch of last season, and into the playoffs. Everyone you mentioned above was just signed or extended by the Bills. The Bills currently have 5 guys on the roster who will be competing for the swing position, each of them outside of Jacob Capra has started multiple games in the league and multiple positions along the offensive line whether it be C/G, or G/T, all of them have position flexibility. Herbig is a guard with no position flexibility. Its fine if you think the guys they have competing stink, I dont disagree in some situations. If I never had to see Cody Ford play another game for the Bills I will be happy, but Guard is not the Roster Hole that people have made it out to be leading up to and post draft. But if I am going to spend money on a guard at this point, when the Bills already have 9 on the roster, I am bringing back Daryl Williams on a 1 year deal. That said, thats why I dont understand the obsession with bringing in another guard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 8:21 AM, NewEra said: Ever watch our current back OGs play football? That’s the obsession. Our backup IOL are bad and: Saffold has shoulder issues and is old. Morse has concussion issues. bates has never started more than 4 games in an nfl season. Why would we NOT be obsessed with adding one competent IOL. Herbig is better than our current depth. Our backups aren't bad, they just aren't good starters. I completely disagree that Herbig is better depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 44 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Most of your points here are hyperbolic. Saffold may be old, I get that, but he has been mainly healthy for the better part of the last 6 seasons. Morse's "concussion issues" have forced him to miss one game due to injury since he signed here. Bates, may not have started more than 4 games in an NFL season, but that didnt stop the Bills from paying him starting guard money. Beyond that he helped solidify a Oline that played pretty good football down the back stretch of last season, and into the playoffs. Everyone you mentioned above was just signed or extended by the Bills. The Bills currently have 5 guys on the roster who will be competing for the swing position, each of them outside of Jacob Capra has started multiple games in the league and multiple positions along the offensive line whether it be C/G, or G/T, all of them have position flexibility. Herbig is a guard with no position flexibility. Its fine if you think the guys they have competing stink, I dont disagree in some situations. If I never had to see Cody Ford play another game for the Bills I will be happy, but Guard is not the Roster Hole that people have made it out to be leading up to and post draft. But if I am going to spend money on a guard at this point, when the Bills already have 9 on the roster, I am bringing back Daryl Williams on a 1 year deal. That said, thats why I dont understand the obsession with bringing in another guard. My points make sense. We’re one Saffold or Morse injury away from having Cody Ford or Greg Mancz protecting Josh Allen. If both go down, we’ll have both starting. Ever watch ford play? Yeah, that’s why people want another guard. Ever watch a Mancz? No? Of course not. you said you don’t want to see ford play….but are ok playing him once Morse/Saffold or Bates get injured. Injuries happen…..and they will happen. We lost games last year because of our OL depth. One would think we would learn our lesson. One OG. That’s all…..one player. I think you’re overreacting to people wanting to add one backup IOL 20 minutes ago, MJS said: Our backups aren't bad, they just aren't good starters. I completely disagree that Herbig is better depth. You watch Herbig? the only rating system that I know of (pff) rates Herbig as MUCH better than ford and better than Mancz. Do you have anything to substantiate your claim that ford is better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: You watch Herbig? the only rating system that I know of (pff) rates Herbig as MUCH better than ford and better than Mancz. Do you have anything to substantiate your claim that ford is better? Cody Ford is a better athlete and a better scheme fit, in my opinion. Ford has started 29 games versus only 17 for Herbig (and starting experience was the main argument in the OP for bringing him in). I also think Ike Boettger is a high quality backup who has performed pretty well with his starting experience. I don't feel strongly about this. I do, however, think it is not true to say that our backup linemen are really bad. I think Ford is an alright backup and Ike is a really good backup. I don't know much about Mancz. Obviously, you never want your backups to be starting because that's the nature of backups. But Ford and Boettger can get in and do alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, MJS said: Cody Ford is a better athlete and a better scheme fit, in my opinion. Ford has started 29 games versus only 17 for Herbig (and starting experience was the main argument in the OP for bringing him in). I also think Ike Boettger is a high quality backup who has performed pretty well with his starting experience. I don't feel strongly about this. I do, however, think it is not true to say that our backup linemen are really bad. I think Ford is an alright backup and Ike is a really good backup. I don't know much about Mancz. Obviously, you never want your backups to be starting because that's the nature of backups. But Ford and Boettger can get in and do alright. You’re reasoning for choosing to have Cody ford as back up is because Ford has 29 games vs 17 games for Herbig? I wonder if that was the reason Ford was playing over Bates all these years? Turned out to be smart. Maybe we should start Ford or Herbig over Bates. Bates only has 450 snaps while Herbig has 1377 and has a better PFF grade. Agree to disagree that ford is better than Herbig. Maybe he can pan out….but why not bring him in and see who wins out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Looking at it closer, I don’t hate the idea. Apparently he has lost weight since that combine performance and Eagles fans are actually pretty upset about the loss. Is he better than Greg Mancz? Yes. Herbig gives you a backup IOL. In that Baldy clip he looks really good and Baldy calls him a fire hydrant. That is the perfect comparison. So I am open to the idea. Not really a scheme fit on paper, but an interesting guy. I’ve come around after searching a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 3 hours ago, NewEra said: You’re reasoning for choosing to have Cody ford as back up is because Ford has 29 games vs 17 games for Herbig? I wonder if that was the reason Ford was playing over Bates all these years? Turned out to be smart. Maybe we should start Ford or Herbig over Bates. Bates only has 450 snaps while Herbig has 1377 and has a better PFF grade. Agree to disagree that ford is better than Herbig. Maybe he can pan out….but why not bring him in and see who wins out Starts wasn't my argument, it was the argument of the OP, that we should bring in Herbig because he has starting experience. While I think there is some validity to and value to starting experience, I think that is secondary to everything else, including athleticism, scheme fit, and potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Starts wasn't my argument, it was the argument of the OP, that we should bring in Herbig because he has starting experience. While I think there is some validity to and value to starting experience, I think that is secondary to everything else, including athleticism, scheme fit, and potential. Ah ok. My bad. He’s played pretty well….. better than our current backups. Dunno why we wouldn’t want to kick the tires on a guy with starting exp that played decent. what is the argument for NOT bringing him in? Edited May 4, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 8:57 AM, First Round Bust said: thanks, Feliciano RAS was 3.17 and D Williams a 3.37. so this dude is radio-active to the Bills FO I strongly believe the punch and power days of our O-Line are over Kromer is a zone scheme guy. He wants athletic lineman. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL7 Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Does anyone know why the Eagles released him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, JPL7 said: Does anyone know why the Eagles released him? maybe our 7th rounder from last season whom the Iggles poached from our PS mid-season may have something to do with it...it happened before in Clevela...opps sore subject.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, JPL7 said: Does anyone know why the Eagles released him? I guess they did not want to pay him that 2.4 million RFA tender to be a backup. I suppose it is possible he asked for his release, but I don’t think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 55 minutes ago, MJS said: Starts wasn't my argument, it was the argument of the OP, that we should bring in Herbig because he has starting experience. While I think there is some validity to and value to starting experience, I think that is secondary to everything else, including athleticism, scheme fit, and potential. My argument was multi fold. He’s young (23), he has starting experience(17 starts), he has position flexibility to Center which to me is actually way more important since Greg Mancz isn’t good, and Ryan Bates is the next best option. His RAS score isn’t great from college but he has improved his athleticism, comes from a pretty good NFL team that knows how to develop o lineman, and the Bills resigned Bobby hart and drafted Luke Tenuta who also have poor athleticism traits. I suspect the Bills won’t get him cause someone is going to offer him a better chance to start than we can offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, JPL7 said: Does anyone know why the Eagles released him? I would think the biggest reason is in last years draft they took Landon Dickerson with G/C flexibility and this year they took Cam Jurgens who also has G/C position flexibility. Both of those guys were 2nd rounders. They still have Jason Kielce at Center, Isaac Seumalo who was the starter at G before he got hurt, and then a bunch of other guys like Jack Driscoll who also played G. He has an incumbent starter and 2 high draft picks ahead of him there and his biggest asset of versatility is undercut because they have two other guys who can do that. He signed his tender last week, the Eagles prob wanted to give him an opportunity to latch on someplace else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: My argument was multi fold. He’s young (23), he has starting experience(17 starts), he has position flexibility to Center which to me is actually way more important since Greg Mancz isn’t good, and Ryan Bates is the next best option. His RAS score isn’t great from college but he has improved his athleticism, comes from a pretty good NFL team that knows how to develop o lineman, and the Bills resigned Bobby hart and drafted Luke Tenuta who also have poor athleticism traits. I suspect the Bills won’t get him cause someone is going to offer him a better chance to start than we can offer. I understand. I don't think he has the value that you perceive he does, but I guess we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted May 4, 2022 Share Posted May 4, 2022 Bills are desperate for IOL depth. One injury along the interior and it's goodnight sweet prince. Still shocked they didn't prioritize the OL more this off-season. I don't think Herbig is a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 There are 12 offensive linemen on the roster. That's three more than the Bills are likely to carry on the 53 man roster. The maximum roster for NFL teams is 90 this time of year. There are 37 who won't make the team. Three extra offensive linemen are not a lot. David Quessenberry was likely signed mostly to serve as competition at swing tackle. Seven of the twelve are interior linemen. I'm including Cody Ford as an interior lineman though the team still lists him as a G/T. The tackles, I think, are pretty much set in the minds of Beane and McDermott, and they don't need to look for a lot of new talent. I don't think Beane and McDermott have the same feeling about the interior. Yes, Saffold, if he is healthy, is a starter, but he's not a safe bet to stay healthy. Bates seemed to have played well late last season, but that's not a long time to make assessments that determine rosters. I think Beane is open to and interested in upgrading the overall talent in the interior of the line, even if it ends up just changing up the backups. The caveat, as always, is cost and cap room. If they have too many on the roster, they can always cut a fringe guy, if they find a better guy. Yes, there are some fringe guys on the roster. Jacob Capra anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 On 5/3/2022 at 9:39 AM, gonzo1105 said: Boy tough crowd today. 23 year old guard with 17 starts on a good offensive line in Philly. If he was 30 I would have not even posted but guys his age with starts don’t come on the market often. I tried to find a place in a current thread and couldn’t really find Ya it's pretty toxic around here at times. I wouldn't take it personal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: Ya it's pretty toxic around here at times. I wouldn't take it personal. I don't think anyone is being toxic in this thread. Disagreement is not toxic. 11 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: There are 12 offensive linemen on the roster. That's three more than the Bills are likely to carry on the 53 man roster. The maximum roster for NFL teams is 90 this time of year. There are 37 who won't make the team. Three extra offensive linemen are not a lot. David Quessenberry was likely signed mostly to serve as competition at swing tackle. Seven of the twelve are interior linemen. I'm including Cody Ford as an interior lineman though the team still lists him as a G/T. The tackles, I think, are pretty much set in the minds of Beane and McDermott, and they don't need to look for a lot of new talent. I don't think Beane and McDermott have the same feeling about the interior. Yes, Saffold, if he is healthy, is a starter, but he's not a safe bet to stay healthy. Bates seemed to have played well late last season, but that's not a long time to make assessments that determine rosters. I think Beane is open to and interested in upgrading the overall talent in the interior of the line, even if it ends up just changing up the backups. The caveat, as always, is cost and cap room. If they have too many on the roster, they can always cut a fringe guy, if they find a better guy. Yes, there are some fringe guys on the roster. Jacob Capra anyone? Bates was paid a multi-year deal. He is paid like a starter and I think it is clear he is viewed as a starter by the franchise. If he doesn't start, that's a huge swing and a miss by Beane considering the contract he just gave him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 The jets claimed him off waivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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