Reported Bills UDFA signing - 11 signed, 3 Camp Invites *Updated* 09:32 (4 open spots)

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

 

 

Beane striking out with the WR crop...........

[Mattymafia]

 I'd take a flyer on Justyn Ross for sure. 

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Mattymafia said:

 I'd take a flyer on Justyn Ross for sure. 

Will any team sign off on the Medicals? That spinal injury is scary

Edited May 1, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Monty98]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Will any team sign off on the Medicals? That neck injury is scary

I don't know, BUT I've said it earlier, I basically only trust the Bills medical staff based on history. He might legitimately be a guy who has to play in Canada or USFL for a year or two to prove he's healthy first. Seeing as he was able to play in 21 for Clemson I'd hope it's not as bad as originally thought

[MAJBobby]

 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For the Love of Little Pink Penquins, What the ***** is our plan at OG?

You mean for next year? We're all set with great depth this year. We can worry about next year next year. Guard is not a premium position you have to worry about a year in advance.

52 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

In conjunction with Rodger Saffold and Ryan Bates who are clearly Starters - David Quessenberry is like Daryl Williams in that he can play both positions. Greg Mancz started 4 games last season and can play Guard.

 

Ike Boettger started 10 games for us last season and there's been advances in Achilles rehab that has paid dividends with players, Cam Akers returning to the Rams in 5 months just last season.

 

And I believe they'd like to see if Aaron Kromer can bring something extra out of Cody Ford, given the large investment we paid, trading up at the top of Round 2 in 2019.

 

That's 6 different players who strictly play Guard or can play Inside. I don't think adding UDFA's at Guard changes anything.

Thank you. All the talk and panic about IOL this offseason has been so strange

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

OG.........need bodies there

 

The amazing depth of the Bills roster is greatly overstated.......especially on the offensive side of the ball.......this UDFA class is going to be the largest ever so they should be able to get some competition and maybe even a guy or two who will actually MAKE the 53.

 

I'm under-enthused by our lone IOL signing in Alec Anderson from UCLA.  I agree with you that our IOL depth is thin. 

Ford wasn't good enough last season

Boettger may need a year to come back from his Achilles - a study showed 68% RTP recently, but many of those players need a year to return to form

Quessenberry had most of his game experience at RT and wasn't good enough for the Titans to keep him although he's a terrific personal story - he may be here to compete with Spencer Brown

Greg Mancz is IMO is this year's Feliciano, a smart versatile guy who can play all 3 IOL positions but when he had his chance to start, he couldn't lock it down

 

Question for all: who else is out there as an UDFA or FA?

[gonzo1105]

59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

For the Love of Little Pink Penquins, What the ***** is our plan at OG?

Saffold and Bates as starters, Ford, Q-Berry as backups with Boettger starting the year on PUP. 
 

My guess is you have:

 

OT- Dawkins, Brown, Q-Berry, Doyle

OG- Saffold, Bates, Ford, Q-Berry

OC- Morse, Mancz 

 

PUP-Boettger

 

My biggest concern is actually Center. If Morse goes down does Mancz come in or does Bates go to Center and Q-Berry comes in at Guard

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BTB said:

Time machine to take us back to the day before Teller was traded to the Browns? 😂

 

HA!  Beane all but said he wanted one in his post-draft presser.

 

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Saffold and Bates as starters, Ford, Q-Berry as backups with Boettger starting the year on PUP. 
 

My guess is you have:

 

OT- Dawkins, Brown, Q-Berry, Doyle

OG- Saffold, Bates, Ford, Q-Berry

OC- Morse, Mancz 

 

PUP-Boettger

 

My biggest concern is actually Center. If Morse goes down does Mancz come in or does Bates go to Center and Q-Berry comes in at Guard

 

I think both of those plans at backup C work.  It may come down to who's most comfortable with Kromer's teachings and who's most comfortable with Josh?

 

I think you have it on the depth chart too, but given Beane talked about an OL of Dawkins-Bates-Morse-Williams-Brown as "a starting point",  I gotta say that an OL of Dawkins-Saffold-Morse-Bates-Brown doesn't look like it's moved the needle off that "starting point" very far, unless Kromer has a magic wand to improve Saffold's performance at pass pro.

 

Methinks Beane speaks with forked tongue about building from the lines when it comes to offense.

[LabattBlue]

24 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

All the talk and panic about IOL this offseason has been so strange

Quantity does not equal quality.  If any of Bates-Morse-Saffold go down for any period of time, you better hope that Kromer is a miracle worker. 

[muppy]

Links with  Bills UDFA Tracker updating with signings

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-buffalo-bills-udfa-tracker/

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2022/04/buffalo-bills-udfa-tracker-reports-rumors-on-who-team-signed-after-2022-nfl-draft.html

Edited May 1, 2022 by muppy

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said:

One big factor was his disaster of a combine and his 5.03 40.

 

apparently one reason he dropped was, literally, drops in 2021?

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-wydermyer/32005759-4420-7645-e2fb-d732d109ac25https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-wydermyer/32005759-4420-7645-e2fb-d732d109ac25

 

31 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

You mean for next year? We're all set with great depth this year. We can worry about next year next year. Guard is not a premium position you have to worry about a year in advance.

 

Ah.  Permit me to point out a little contradiction. 

 

If guard is not a premium position, and you don't want to use a high pick on it (1st or 2nd round), fine

But later round picks often take a year or two to develop into pro-level talents

 

There are guys who come in like Trey Smith for KC and play very well as rookies

 

Question since you appear to have studied the matter:

how many of the starting guards in the NFL who were drafted in later rounds, actually played very well their first season, or even first 2 seasons?

how many took 1-2 season to develop?

 

Wyatt Teller started looking like "all that and a bag of Chips" his 3rd year in the league

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm under-enthused by our lone IOL signing in Alec Anderson from UCLA.  I agree with you that our IOL depth is thin. 

Ford wasn't good enough last season

Boettger may need a year to come back from his Achilles - a study showed 68% RTP recently, but many of those players need a year to return to form

Quessenberry had most of his game experience at RT and wasn't good enough for the Titans to keep him although he's a terrific personal story - he may be here to compete with Spencer Brown

Greg Mancz is IMO is this year's Feliciano, a smart versatile guy who can play all 3 IOL positions but when he had his chance to start, he couldn't lock it down

 

Question for all: who else is out there as an UDFA or FA?

 

 

I agree that Mancz is like Feliciano.....circling the drain......they are about the same age.......it wasn't any kind of upgrade IMO........the Miami OL was terrible.

 

Jeremiah Sirles was that way when he came to Buffalo too......couple years removed from starting 10 games.......but there was more interior OL depth....or at least the perception of it because they had some young, seemingly promising options at that time.  

 

And they also have nobody who they can have any confidence in whatsoever to back up Dawkins at LT.

 

They could stand to add 3 more reserve OL..........two interior and a swing tackle. 

 

I like Kromer a lot but I sure ain't counting on him turning Cody Ford into a serviceable option.

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I fully acknowledge that I am NOT a college football fan. 

 

But who sees Shakir as outside WR depth?

 

All the scouting reports I've read say he played strictly in the slot.

He played mainly outside.  Man of the draft analysts had him pegged as strictly slot, but I think that is far from clear. 

[Kmart128]

So who do we bring in to toss the ball for rookie mini camp?

[Locomark]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Some top UDFA to keep track of

 

OT

Kellen Diesch - Az State

 

OG

Josh Sills - OK State

William Dunkle - SD State

 

S

Juanyeah Thomas - GA Tech

Verone McKinley III - Oregon

Smoke Monday - Auburn

Yusuf Corker - Kentucky

Jack Koerner - Iowa

 

DE

Christopher Allen - Alabama

Tyree Johnson - Texas A&M

 

LB

Aaron Hansford - Texas A&M

JoJo Domann - Nebraska

Zakoby McClain - Auburn

Mike Rose - Iowa State

 

CB

Joshua Jobe - Alabama

Vincent Gray - Michigan

 

WR

Makai Polk - Mississippi State

Kevin Austin Jr. - Notre Dame

Josh Johnson - Tulsa

 

RB

ZaQuandre White - South Carolina

Jaylon Warren - Ok State

 

TE

Chase Allen - Iowa State

 

 

 

 

Why are you not listing Weatherford or Blankenship here? Both are probably the best safeties we can get in UDFA if you sort through all the various scouting profiles. We need safety depth because what we do know is Poyer isn’t happy and we have uncertainty in his backups. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, BTB said:

Quantity does not equal quality.  If any of Bates-Morse-Saffold go down for any period of time, you better hope that Kromer is a miracle worker. 

 

I am hoping he is the Second Coming of Coach Scar

 

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Ford blows… really unfortunate they can’t just let him go and start anew… the Bills have one of if not the best starting rosters in the league, good depth on defense but really suspect depth on the offensive line and at wide out…. Could ***** em come playoff time.

 

It's a bad day when I find myself agreeing with ScottLaw but I'm forced to agree that the depth on OL appears tenuous at this point.

[PromoTheRobot]

UB Bulls signed UDFA deals:

LB Kadofi Wright to the Broncos
DT Josh Rogers to the Seahawks.

RB Keven Marks to the Chargers

#UBHornsUp

Edited May 1, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you think he'll have to change his number?

 

I think they offered him 17 - not sure that is in use - Right?

 

 

 

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So Crowder 1,000+ yards?

 

The top 3 WR's should probably end up with 3000+ total.

 

812 is just 48 yards per game.

 

Spitballing:

100 x 13 for Diggs = 1300/ 10

65 x 12.5 for Davis = 812/ 6

65 x 10 for Crowder = 650/ 4

55 x 10 for Knox = 500/ 8

 

That is 3312 without RBs or other WR/TE

Add 1000 around the other RBs/ WR/ TE

Would anyone be surprised to see

25 x 11 for McKenze = 275/ 2

50 x 8 for RBs = 400/ 4

20 x 9 for Howard = 180/ 2

that is 855, with 145/ 4 for others

 

4320 passing yards/ 40 TD seems about right as an estimate.

Edited May 1, 2022 by RocCityRoller

[Locomark]

Probably already posted but here is a league wide tracker.. wow a ton of players signed by Dallas and Indy

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-undrafted-free-agent-tracker-falcons-sign-titans-coach-mike-vrabels-son-eagles-sign-carson-strong/

[RocCityRoller]

11 minutes ago, Locomark said:

Why are you not listing Weatherford or Blankenship here? Both are probably the best safeties we can get in UDFA if you sort through all the various scouting profiles. We need safety depth because what we do know is Poyer isn’t happy and we have uncertainty in his backups. 

 

I'm not a pro scout.

 

Just posted some guys I liked. I'll look up Weatherford and Blankenship.

 

I agree, Buffalo missed badly on some S depth this draft and they need it

[Doc]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Dont hate the draft at all, I’m just scratching my head at the strategy…. Why the obsession with defensive pieces that don’t move the needle at all for your team instead of better players on offense to ensure the one guy who makes all the difference for your team?… somewhat hate that about McDermott… he is still too defensive focused for a team that’s success is all about Josh Allen.

 

Huh?  Out of the 8 picks, 3 were offense, 4 were defense and 1 was STs. 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I'm not a pro scout.

 

Just posted some guys I liked. I'll look up Weatherford and Blankenship.

 

I agree, Buffalo missed badly on some S depth this draft and they need it

We already have 3 depth Safetys on the team…

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Spitballing:

100 x 13 for Diggs = 1300/ 10

65 x 12.5 for Davis = 812/ 6

65 x 10 for Crowder = 650/ 4

55 x 10 for Knox = 500/ 8

 

That is 3312 without RBs or other WR/TE

Add 1000 around the other RBs/ WR/ TE

Would anyone be surprised to see

25 x 11 for McKenze = 275/ 2

50 x 8 for RBs = 400/ 4

20 x 9 for Howard = 180/ 2

that is 855, with 145/ 4 for others

 

4320 passing yards/ 40 TD seems about right as an estimate.

 

So you are predicting another decline in passing yardage for Allen?

 

If Allen just gets back to his 2020 production.....about 285 yards per game.......then he will throw for 4800+.

 

Remember.........his numbers last year were tamped down by some pretty bad games........like the 120 yard day against the Falcons.........and some really terrible weather.

 

I think he puts up Brady/Herbert/Stafford/Mahomes type yardage this year.......if the OL or an injury to Diggs/Davis doesn't sabotage him.

 

Last season was a relative struggle.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

14 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I'm not a pro scout.

 

Just posted some guys I liked. I'll look up Weatherford and Blankenship.

 

I agree, Buffalo missed badly on some S depth this draft and they need it

 

They already have 3 guys that they really like.  Josh Thomas was relegated to the PS last year.  I don’t think the Bills are anywhere near as worried about depth or Poyer as the Fans

[Kmart128]

Dont think ive seen this posted in here yet

 

 

[Mattymafia]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Will any team sign off on the Medicals? That spinal injury is scary

Clemson did, cant imagine why its not worth a minicamp/training camp tryout

[Rochesterfan]

25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Dont hate the draft at all, I’m just scratching my head at the strategy…. Why the obsession with defensive pieces that don’t move the needle at all for your team instead of better players on offense to ensure the one guy who makes all the difference for your team has everything he needs, including quality depth?…  especially after watching last season where the offensive line problems almost derailed the season? Somewhat hate that about McDermott… he is still too defensive focused for a team that’s success is all about Josh Allen.

 

Top 4 picks:

CB - Need

RB - Pass catching (wr ability and running)

LB - Milano clone -

WR - speed and talent

 

1st 4 picks - 2 Defensive and 2 offensive

 

Then you had the 6+7th round - these are projects essentially

1 ST - Punter

2 Defensive players (LB and CB) double dip for depth/ST

1 Offensive Player - Tackle that probably projects more inside with hi movement scores.

 

A near split of Offense/Defense with the offense hitting O-Line, WR, and RB.  Seems like most of the bases were covered - especially as both RB and WR have some position flexibility.

 

 

 

[HerdMentality]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

TE3 and TE2 next year is probably one of our biggest openings on the team, gives a bit more pull trying to bring in UDFA there.

It's always nice to have royalty on the team.

Duke Williams replacement.

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Dont think ive seen this posted in here yet

 

 

He has a shot to at least make the PS

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

5 of 7 McBeane first round picks have been defense(technically 6 since they traded for Diggs)…. And the asset allocation of $$$ is heavily tilted towards defense.

 

If your response to that original post is “huh” you are either are playing dumb as some sort of strange reason to excuse them for it or not paying attention… 

 

And yet the offense has been great the past 2 seasons. 

[SCBills]

47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Dont hate the draft at all, I’m just scratching my head at the strategy…. Why the obsession with defensive pieces that don’t move the needle at all for your team instead of better players on offense to ensure the one guy who makes all the difference for your team has everything he needs, including quality depth?…  especially after watching last season where the offensive line problems almost derailed the season? Somewhat hate that about McDermott… he is still too defensive focused for a team that’s success is all about Josh Allen.

I would’ve liked a legit outside WR with some speed and size, but with the way this draft went, we would’ve had to take one at 25.  Absolutely insane runs on WR’s. 
 

Luckily, similar to the year we got Davis in the 4th, this was a loaded WR class that allowed us to take a really talented WR in Shakir twenty spots after we took Davis. 
 

Cook is an absolute home run pick.  He can be an absolute monster in this Offense.  
 

Our starting five on the OL is likely set.  They signed Quessenberry as swing tackle insurance if Doyle doesn’t make the jump and, for whatever reason, Kromer must see something in Ford. 
 

One of these days, we’ll give Allen a blue chip draft pick on Offense (hopefully), but Cook & Shakir is a really nice pair of weapons. 
 

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by SCBills

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

5 of 7 McBeane first round picks have been defense(technically 6 since they traded for Diggs)…. And the asset allocation of $$$ is heavily tilted towards defense.

 

If your response to that original post is “huh” you are either are playing dumb as some sort of strange reason to excuse them for it or not paying attention… 

 

Yes 1st round picks have been slanted to defense, but they have continued to acquire assets for the offense - Trades for Diggs - FAs like Brown, Sanders, Beasley, Crowder, McKenzie at wr alone.  Draft picks and FA for RB and TE - Knox, Sweeney, Moss, Singletary, and now Cook all drafted for Josh.  O-Line - picks and FA - more from the FA side, but you have 2 draft picks at each tackle, center and guard as FA, and a trade to get Bates as a UDFA.

 

They have put a ton of resources into the Entire team - you may not agree with the moves, but they have continued to upgrade and provide weapons as he has developed.

 

The Bills have typically just about split between offense and defense under this regime with yes some higher picks slanted to defense, but they have not ignored either side - hence being the only NFL team with Top 5 offense and Defense last year.

 

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

54 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Spitballing:

100 x 13 for Diggs = 1300/ 10

65 x 12.5 for Davis = 812/ 6

65 x 10 for Crowder = 650/ 4

55 x 10 for Knox = 500/ 8

 

That is 3312 without RBs or other WR/TE

Add 1000 around the other RBs/ WR/ TE

Would anyone be surprised to see

25 x 11 for McKenze = 275/ 2

50 x 8 for RBs = 400/ 4

20 x 9 for Howard = 180/ 2

that is 855, with 145/ 4 for others

 

4320 passing yards/ 40 TD seems about right as an estimate.

Diggs - 1400 yards  10

Davis - 1100 yards  8

Crowder/UFA Vet - 700  4

Knox/Howard/Wyndermyer - 700  12 

Shakir - 500  4

Cook - 500  5

Mckenzie - 450  3 

Devin/Other - 250  2 

 

5,000 +  48 TDs Passing

600  + 8 TDs Rushing

 

MVP Allen

 

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And yet the offense has been great the past 2 seasons. 

 

The defense was great last season.

 

The offense declined from their great 2020 season..........they lost 3 games in 5 weeks scoring a feeble 9, 15 and 10 points.........and they allowed a horrific 125 combined sacks and pressures and finished last in YAC yardage.     Those struggles put them on the road in the playoffs where they were 0-3 under McDermott.

 

But they again spent their top assets on defense.........big FA money on a new pass rusher and their top pick on a CB.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Like I do every year I will keep all the reported signings below. However they tend to come fast and Furious. So if you see one not listed here feel free to say it and tag me with link. Will update the main post. 
 

as we are in the rounds players are sitting there thinking might be better to go UDFA at this point I figured I would start the thread to be ready to start updating it. 
 

I know in past I loved UDFA looking for players to still contribute right away. Bills are no longer at that point but get me players with at least ONE elite trait 

 

RB Raheem Blackshear 

 

TE Jalen Wydermyer - there is a chance to make the team here  

CB Travon Fuller 

 

DT Prince Emili

 

WR Malik Williams

 

WR Neil Pau’u

 

IOL Alex Anderson 

 

 

 

75 on Contract (with draft picks)

7 UDFAs reportedly signed 

 

82 on roster (8 open spots)

 

Add Syracuse DE Kingsley Jonathan

 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

The Bills have typically just about split between offense and defense under this regime with yes some higher picks slanted to defense, but they have not ignored either side - hence being the only NFL team with Top 5 offense and Defense last year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They've spent A LOT more money/cap space in unrestricted free agency on defense in AND used most of their #1 picks on defense.

 

It's not very close to split evenly.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The defense was great last season.

 

The offense declined from their great 2020 season..........they lost 3 games in 5 weeks scoring a feeble 9, 15 and 10 points.........and they allowed a horrific 125 combined sacks and pressures and finished last in YAC yardage.     Those struggles put them on the road in the playoffs where they were 0-3 under McDermott.

 

But they again spent their top assets on defense.........big FA money on a new pass rusher and their top pick on a CB.

 

No one can help you if you think the defense was great last year. I understand you may want more weapons on offense, but you can't preface that by thinking the defense was great and didn't need to be addressed. 

[Aussie Joe]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The defense was great last season.

 

The offense declined from their great 2020 season..........they lost 3 games in 5 weeks scoring a feeble 9, 15 and 10 points.........and they allowed a horrific 125 combined sacks and pressures and finished last in YAC yardage.     Those struggles put them on the road in the playoffs where they were 0-3 under McDermott.

 

But they again spent their top assets on defense.........big FA money on a new pass rusher and their top pick on a CB.

 

And they gave up 42 in their biggest game of the year when Allen should have  had it won twice already…

 

The D also gave up 41,36 and 33 points during losses throughout the regular season which put them on the road in the playoffs,,,

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Aussie Joe