Jerry Hughes saying goodbye?

[turftoe]

On 4/3/2022 at 6:27 PM, The Jokeman said:

We wouldn't be being back Bates on such a long term deal nor signed Stafford if thought Ford is anything more than a backup. He might end up off the 53 if we draft someone in first 4 rounds. 

I think his low cap cost is why he is still here. If he had a high price tag like Williams or Feliciano, he would have been cut already. I like Bates but he was previously on the bench for a reason. Saffold is only a 1 year deal. There are some concerns about his pass blocking. I’m hoping we draft IOL in the first or 2nd day of the draft. Hopefully, someone that Kromer really likes. Giving Josh time in the pocket is key to making our offense go. 

[papazoid]

he had 2.0 sacks last year.....he hasnt lived up to his contract in the last 7 years....his last good years were 2013 & 2014

 

time to move on

[Beast]

45 minutes ago, papazoid said:

his last good years were 2013 & 2014

 

time to move on

 

I wouldn't disagree that it's time to move on but the quoted part of your post is just a dumb statement.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, turftoe said:

I think his low cap cost is why he is still here. If he had a high price tag like Williams or Feliciano, he would have been cut already. I like Bates but he was previously on the bench for a reason. Saffold is only a 1 year deal. There are some concerns about his pass blocking. I’m hoping we draft IOL in the first or 2nd day of the draft. Hopefully, someone that Kromer really likes. Giving Josh time in the pocket is key to making our offense go. 

 

Bates was on the bench for the Bills philosophy was that it was better to replace one player on line when needed than 2 and Bates was capable of handling all 5 positions in a pinch which was critical when players were frequently out for one or two weeks do to COVID tests. Players would get dinged and he would go in, players get taped or otherwise able to play he would go out and then be inserted again sometimes as 6th lineman.

[loyal2dagame]

2 hours ago, papazoid said:

he had 2.0 sacks last year.....he hasnt lived up to his contract in the last 7 years....his last good years were 2013 & 2014

 

time to move on

Disagree.  He was the only player getting steady qb pressures the whole time he's been in buffalo. The pressures didn't always turn into sacks,  but they do matter. 

[SCBills]

I'd actually love to bring Hughes back, but are we moving Epenesa?  Does Shaq Lawson not make the team?

 

It's a numbers game, and we have to get Basham and Epenesa on the field to develop, unless they are just colossal busts, in which case we have other issues. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Last time Jerry had a good rusher on the other side in Mario he had double digit sacks

 

I would like to bring him back

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I'd actually love to bring Hughes back, but are we moving Epenesa?  Does Shaq Lawson not make the team?

 

It's a numbers game, and we have to get Basham and Epenesa on the field to develop, unless they are just colossal busts, in which case we have other issues. 

winning a super bowl > developing a DE that has shown very little in 2 years.  Jerry >>>>> Shaq, AJ and Basham.  Give me the guy that we know can move the QB off of his spot.  7 hurries in his last game alone.  Epenesa might not have 7 hurries in his career.  Dude owes Austin Jackson 1/2 his salary 

[SCBills]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

winning a super bowl > developing a DE that has shown very little in 2 years.  Jerry >>>>> Shaq, AJ and Basham.  Give me the guy that we know can move the QB off of his spot.  7 hurries in his last game alone.  Epenesa might not have 7 hurries in his career.  Dude owes Austin Jackson 1/2 his salary 

 

Can't argue too much with that.  

 

I think i'm more in the win-now, while also thinking about creating the most competitive team I can for the future mode - but I can't argue with the win-now at all costs folks.

 

It's why I would 100% trade Edmunds and Poyer before/during the draft, as I do not believe they are in our long term plans.  However, I definitely understand why people would want to keep them and risk them leaving for nothing next offseason.  

 

I'd like to see what we have in Epenesa and Basham, but Hughes on a DL that doesn't require him to be lead dog could be pretty special.  Moving Edmunds and/or Poyer could also free up what we need to do so.. just saying. 

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Can't argue too much with that.  

 

I think i'm more in the win-now, while also thinking about creating the most competitive team I can for the future mode - but I can't argue with the win-now at all costs folks.

 

It's why I would 100% trade Edmunds and Poyer before/during the draft, as I do not believe they are in our long term plans.  However, I definitely understand why people would want to keep them and risk them leaving for nothing next offseason.  

 

I'd like to see what we have in Epenesa and Basham, but Hughes on a DL that doesn't require him to be lead dog could be pretty special.  Moving Edmunds and/or Poyer could also free up what we need to do so.. just saying. 

I hear ya regarding edmunds and Poyer.  Poyers my guy, but if he’s not in the future plans and we can get something good for him, so be it.  He looked like he was stuck in the mud on Several plays vs the chiefs. Bad angles and lacked speed…..but I love that dude. 
 

i hope he stays and can win a title with him, but nothing lasts forever. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I hear ya regarding edmunds and Poyer.  Poyers my guy, but if he’s not in the future plans and we can get something good for him, so be it.  He looked like he was stuck in the mud on Several plays vs the chiefs. Bad angles and lacked speed…..but I love that dude. 
 

i hope he stays and can win a title with him, but nothing lasts forever. 

 

Same. 

 

Also, our safeties are great at stopping over the top passing attacks, but - as you point out - they didn't do so well in pursuit mode off underneath stuff in that KC game.  

 

Guess what we'll likely see nonstop twice per year out of Miami with Hill/Waddle/Mostert... going to need guys who can run. 

[turftoe]

37 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Last time Jerry had a good rusher on the other side in Mario he had double digit sacks

 

I would like to bring him back

And Obama was the president. I think his days of double digit sacks are over. He’s probably a 4-6 sack guy but sooner rather than later Father Time is going to catch him.

Edited April 7, 2022 by turftoe

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, turftoe said:

And Obama was the president. I think his days of double digit sacks are over. He’s probably a 4-6 sack guy but sooner rather than later Father Time is going to catch him.

 

I think he'd be worth it to bring him back on a 1 year deal as a situational rusher.  He still pressured the QB last year.. we just didn't care, rightfully so, because when it mattered neither he nor Addison got home.   We have Miller now, we have a very talented DT rotation and we have to hope that - at least - Rousseau makes a jump this year.  If we move off Edmunds or Poyer's contract, I wouldn't hate using some of that money on Hughes as a situational rusher for one year. 

[FilthyBeast]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

I'd actually love to bring Hughes back, but are we moving Epenesa?  Does Shaq Lawson not make the team?

 

It's a numbers game, and we have to get Basham and Epenesa on the field to develop, unless they are just colossal busts, in which case we have other issues. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we try and move Epenesa any day now. Because if not I don't see him making this roster unless he really shows something. And even though he was apparently great in offseason workouts and camp last year it obviously didn't translate into the regular season minus the one freak game against the Dolphins in Week 2. So another good offseason actually might not matter.

 

I don't think Lawson is necessarily a lock to make this team either unless he also balls out this summer and proves he can be the same guy he was in 2019 and could be fighting for the same spot on the roster Epenesa is. 

 

Of course if we draft a DE anywhere in the top 5 rounds later this month that throws a curveball in the situation as well because anything short of a late round pick is guaranteed to make the roster by default.

 

But going back to Hughes, this all of this is yet another reason why I see zero chance of ending up back in Buffalo and still think his prospects are going to be limited elsewhere unless it's on a vet minimum deal with no guarantees of making roster. His time in this league is simply over IMO.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, papazoid said:

he had 2.0 sacks last year.....he hasnt lived up to his contract in the last 7 years....his last good years were 2013 & 2014

 

time to move on

worst post I’ve read in a long time.  

 

Playing DE is a lot more than accumulating sacks.  Aaron Donald didn’t get the sack on the game ending 4th down in the SB……. he won the super bowl with a pressure.  Something Jerry does very well.  

Edited April 7, 2022 by NewEra

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Last time Jerry had a good rusher on the other side in Mario he had double digit sacks

 

I would like to bring him back

 

I did not know Mario wanted to come back.

🙄

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

Jerry's effort has always been undeniable and I think that is why he is deservedly well liked and many fans wish him to stay.

 

However, even at the top of his career he has never been the stud that some made him out to be and he has been shooting blanks for a long while. I would say that is time to take him to the slaughterhouse.

 

Then again his cap figure may be so low that they could keep him for his veteran leadership alone.

 

Whatever they do, I doubt it will affect the outcome of the upcoming season.

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, SCBills said:

I'd actually love to bring Hughes back, but are we moving Epenesa?  Does Shaq Lawson not make the team?

 

It's a numbers game, and we have to get Basham and Epenesa on the field to develop, unless they are just colossal busts, in which case we have other issues. 

Shaq is a bum imo.  Glad to have him for the competition, but he’s the epitome of a jag imo. Easily replaceable by someone that’s better than a jag.  Jerry is definitely better than a jag.

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

I did not know Mario wanted to come back.

🙄

Williams. Not Addison.  

[machine gun kelly]

Jerry has been great for us, but it’s time to move on.  No fan likes to say goodbye to a player who has given so much for Buffalo.  
 

I hope he finds it to have at least one home in Buffalo, as you know WGR, and the other outlets would use him for interviews, and speculation on the team.

 

I think we just need to get younger.  We have a ton of talent Beane brought in this off season.

[LABILLBACKER]

He was hurried. He was pressured. He was flushed out of the pocket. All these things can still result in a completed pass or even a td.  Sacks are all I care about.  I've yet to see a pass completed on a sack. Almost only counts in horseshoes. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He was hurried. He was pressured. He was flushed out of the pocket. All these things can still result in a completed pass or even a td.  Sacks are all I care about.  I've yet to see a pass completed on a sack. Almost only counts in horseshoes. 

Sorry bro, but that just makes your opinion less meaningful. Nothing else. Did Aaron Donald get a sack on the GW play in the super bowl?  But that doesn’t matter right?  Inconsequential I suppose.  Incomplete pass on a game winning non sack.  Mmhmmm.  

[Mikie2times]

 

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He was hurried. He was pressured. He was flushed out of the pocket. All these things can still result in a completed pass or even a td.  Sacks are all I care about.  I've yet to see a pass completed on a sack. Almost only counts in horseshoes. 

 

I mean, so many bad thinks start to happen with pressure. Interceptions, incompletions, future disruptions just based on the perceived threat of pressure. Sacks can be all you care about, but it's just one of a lot of things that matter. I think you know as much. 

[NewEra]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/05/07/cleveland-browns-interest-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes/
 

[biggerdaddynj]

That Kelvin Sheppard trade was a real winner!!!  

[StHustle]

3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said:

That Kelvin Sheppard trade was a real winner!!!  

 

Reminds me of the Wyatt Teller trade 🤦🏾‍♂️ but we're on the losing end

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said:

That Kelvin Sheppard trade was a real winner!!!  

 

He did okay for himself turning NFL playing career into coaching career.

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Reminds me of the Wyatt Teller trade 🤦🏾‍♂️ but we're on the losing end

 

Nothing like Teller trade.  It was player for a player.

[Beerball]

Poor guy ran out of underwear.

 

[Don Otreply]

On 4/1/2022 at 9:56 PM, eball said:

 

Umm…give them some time?  Is FA over?  Is the offseason over?

 

Jesus Freaking Christ.

JFC that where I get my fried chicken 🍗 

[Breakout Squad]

15 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

JFC that where I get my fried chicken 🍗 

Love that chicken from Popeye’s 🎼

[T master]

I was hoping that there might be a way that he could come back & that they could get a SB win with him on the team the man has been a Bills most of his career & gave it all while he was on the team when ever he stepped on the field & will always be a Buffalo Bill to me .

 

Sometimes his passion got the best of him but hey he played every snap with passion & was a Bill through & through .

 

Thanks Jerry for all you have given to the Bills & all the memories you have given me as a fan much appreciated enjoy the time you now will have with your family Thanks again !! GO BILLS !!  

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/05/07/cleveland-browns-interest-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes/
 

 

He's not coming back. It makes no sense. He'd be coming back for pennies on the Dollar with his role as Starter and Leader of the Edge Rushers room replaced with Von Miller. His reps would be a third of what he had here his entire tenure (he'd surely get more opportunities almost anywhere else) and would keep younger players with high draft pick investments from getting more experience.

 

Doesn't make sense for the Bills, doesn't make sense for Jerry. Fans having a soft spot for him after all his years here and liking the idea of him being in the building if we won a Championship this year is no reason to sign someone. If Jerry were in the Bills plans this season, they'd have re-signed him early in FA. They wouldn't leave such a respected veteran twisting in the wind and then thrown a bone at the end of FA. And they probably wouldn't have brought back Shaq Lawson as the second or third situational pass rusher off the bench, which is all Jerry would be here at this point. 

Edited May 9, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[NewEra]

19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He's not coming back. It makes no sense. He'd be coming back for pennies on the Dollar with his role as Starter and Leader of the Edge Rushers room replaced with Von Miller. His reps would be a third of what he had here his entire tenure (he'd surely get more opportunities almost anywhere else) and would keep younger players with high draft pick investments from getting more reps. 

 

Doesn't make sense for the Bills, doesn't make sense for Jerry. Fans really really liking him and the idea of him being in the building if we won a Championship this year is no reason to sign someone. If Jerry were in the Bills plans this season, they'd have re-signed him early in FA. And they probably wouldn't have brought back Shaq Lawson.

We’re trying to win a super bowl this year….. it makes sense for the Bills. jerry Hughes gives us a better chance of winning a super bowl than AJ epenesa, bookie Basham an Lawson do.  He’s better than all of them.

if winning the super bowl next season. Is the priority, it makes sense for the Bills.to sign Jerry and play him over the other 3 jags.  
 

if the priority is to develop guys that were worse than Jerry and are worse than Jerry, so be it.  I’d cut Shaq and sign Jerry if the money was right.  

 

For Jerry, it Doesn’t makes sense financially as another team may want to pay him more.   But can you put a price on winning the super bowl with the franchise you’ve bled blood sweat and tears for for a decade?  I’f someone offers Jerry 4M and the bills offer 2M, he’d enjoy his life much more coming back home.

 

but who knows how much he’s looking to make.  I don’t expect us to sign him……until it’s official, I will hold out hope that he returns.  He’s better than 3 (maybe 4) of our 5 DEs.  

[BillsFanForever19]

32 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We’re trying to win a super bowl this year….. it makes sense for the Bills. jerry Hughes gives us a better chance of winning a super bowl than AJ epenesa, bookie Basham an Lawson do.  He’s better than all of them.

if winning the super bowl next season. Is the priority, it makes sense for the Bills.to sign Jerry and play him over the other 3 jags.  
 

if the priority is to develop guys that were worse than Jerry and are worse than Jerry, so be it.  I’d cut Shaq and sign Jerry if the money was right.  

 

For Jerry, it Doesn’t makes sense financially as another team may want to pay him more.   But can you put a price on winning the super bowl with the franchise you’ve bled blood sweat and tears for for a decade?  I’f someone offers Jerry 4M and the bills offer 2M, he’d enjoy his life much more coming back home.

 

but who knows how much he’s looking to make.  I don’t expect us to sign him……until it’s official, I will hold out hope that he returns.  He’s better than 3 (maybe 4) of our 5 DEs.  

 

You're right, we are trying to win a Super Bowl. That's why we replaced him with Von Miller.

 

I think you're greatly overvaluing what Jerry Hughes brings to the table at 34 years old. If he were the difference maker you think he is, he wouldn't be on the market still. And it's laughable to say he's "maybe" better than Rousseau at this point in his career. All you have to do is look at Hughes stats last season v. Rousseau's in his first games in the NFL (with room to grow this season) to see that.

 

He is declining. Your opinions of Epenesa and Basham are irrelevant. We spent two 2nd Round picks getting them. One is entering his 2nd season in this league and the other his 3rd. You don't make the kind of investments we made in them and then give up on their development, in Basham's case after one season. You don't know what they could develop into. 

 

If fans take their emotions out of it, look at how we've treated him this offseason, the things Jerry has posted, how he looked last season, how we addressed the position this offseason, and what he'd be being asked to do this year - the answer is obvious.

Edited May 9, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[cba fan]

On 4/1/2022 at 7:24 PM, Bill from NYC said:

How much cap space would his retirement save/cost?

zero. He was a FA.

 

[NewEra]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We’re trying to win a super bowl this year….. it makes sense for the Bills. jerry Hughes gives us a better chance of winning a super bowl than AJ epenesa, bookie Basham an Lawson do.  He’s better than all of them.

if winning the super bowl next season. Is the priority, it makes sense for the Bills.to sign Jerry and play him over the other 3 jags.  
 

if the priority is to develop guys that were worse than Jerry and are worse than Jerry, so be it.  I’d cut Shaq and sign Jerry if the money was right.  

 

For Jerry, it Doesn’t makes sense financially as another team may want to pay him more.   But can you put a price on winning the super bowl with the franchise you’ve bled blood sweat and tears for for a decade?  I’f someone offers Jerry 4M and the bills offer 2M, he’d enjoy his life much more coming back home.

 

but who knows how much he’s looking to make.  I don’t expect us to sign him……until it’s official, I will hold out hope that he returns.  He’s better than 3 (maybe 4) of our 5 DEs.  

Which stats do you speak of?  Pass rush win rate?  Hurries?  Pff rating?  No?  Not those stats….. they don’t support your claim.  Rousseau is better vs the run.  Jerry is a better pass rusher.  
 

Rousseau is still on the rise while Jerry is almost done.  This isn’t even part of the conversation.  
 

Jerry being better than Epenesa, Basham and Shaq should be part of the conversation Beane is having with McD.  Between his pass rush abilities and his locker room presence….he brings MUCH more to the table than those 3 guys and would be an asset….regardless of what you are posturing. You know Jerry is better than all 3.
 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

57 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Which stats do you speak of?  Pass rush win rate?  Hurries?  Pff rating?  No?  Not those stats….. they don’t support your claim.  Rousseau is better vs the run.  Jerry is a better pass rusher.  
 

Rousseau is still on the rise while Jerry is almost done.  This isn’t even part of the conversation.  
 

Jerry being better than Epenesa, Basham and Shaq should be part of the conversation Beane is having with McD.  Between his pass rush abilities and his locker room presence….he brings MUCH more to the table than those 3 guys and would be an asset….regardless of what you are posturing. You know Jerry is better than all 3.

 

Sacks and Tackles. The stats that actually matter. I'm laughing at a .9 differential in PFF rate as an argument point. Hurries and Win Rate are great, but not when you can't get the sack which has been the story of Hughes for the past couple years now. It's why we've been drafting Ends and ultimately decided to bring in a guy like Von Miller.

 

I'm not "posturing" anything. I DON'T know that 34 year old Hughes can be better than what Basham or Epenesa can be this season. And you don't know that either. They're 23 and 24 respectively. We've seen two full seasons of Epenesa. Guys can be late bloomers. You know who was a late bloomer? Jerry Hughes.

 

Basham has a total of 8 games under his belt. You're ready to say you know who someone is and can be after 8 games? C'mon dude. 

 

We spent back to back 2nd Round picks on these guys. At the very least, we have to let them get rotational work and experience to see what they can or cannot become. You don't invest what we've invested in them and not use them or allow them to get experience as rotational pieces.

Edited May 9, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[Doc Brown]

On 4/7/2022 at 5:51 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Which stats do you speak of?  Pass rush win rate?  Hurries?  Pff rating?  No?  Not those stats….. they don’t support your claim.  Rousseau is better vs the run.  Jerry is a better pass rusher.  
 

Rousseau is still on the rise while Jerry is almost done.  This isn’t even part of the conversation.  
 

Jerry being better than Epenesa, Basham and Shaq should be part of the conversation Beane is having with McD.  Between his pass rush abilities and his locker room presence….he brings MUCH more to the table than those 3 guys and would be an asset….regardless of what you are posturing. You know Jerry is better than all 3.
 

 

I agree with this for the most part although Jerry may have two or three good seasons in him given pass rushers age well.  I'd much rather role with Miller, Hughes, and Rousseau.  Then let Basham, Epenesa, and Shaq battle for that fourth spot.  If they can make it work contract wise that is.

[eball]

I’d be willing to bet Beane offered Jerry a vet minimum deal (or close) and told him to come back if he couldn’t find better on the market. 
 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

Considering the addition of Von Miller as a slam dunk improvement at starting DE, first string IOL, 1-Tech DT, CB2 and on a lesser scale TE2 and RB are the positions where we need better play to win a championship. If we do not make significant progress there, what happens at third string DE will be mostly irrelevant. In that context, whether they bring back Hughes or not makes no real difference. The guy can't finish, so even as a pass rush specialist at this point of his career he is (by some) vastly overrated. I sure hope no one is hoping to bring him back and start him.