Who are your draft sleepers?

[CookieG]

6 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Draft sleeper on offense Jeremy Ruckert from Ohio State cause the Bucks system doesn’t really utilize the Tight End he is going to make someone very happy in the middle rounds as the kid can play.

Draft Sleeper on D…Troy Anderson the linebacker from Montana State he really is a poor man’s Micah Parsons 6’4 243lbs absolutely did everything at that school and also ran 4.42 40 

Anderson actually made all conference as a QB one year and all conference as a MLB the next.  In fact, he was the FCS defensive player of the year for 2021.  In a class of athletic LB's...he actualyl might be the most athletic.

 

But I agree with the poster after you, he might not be a sleeper any longer.

 

As far as names not mentioned, Danny Gray WR SMU. 

 

Can make plays in all three levels, ran a 4.33 40 at the Combine. 800 yards and 10 TD's in 10 games last year.  A threat to take it to the house on any catch.

 

On defense, the truest sleeper may be Amare Barno from V-tech.  6'6, 245 lbs and ran a 4.34 40, a 37 inch vertical and an 11 foot broad jump.,   He needs work, but I can think of a fast DE/LB who just joined the Bills who might be willing to give him some tips.

 

 

[Estro]

Quay Walker.

 

He's what the Bills hoped Tremaine Edmunds would become.  Similar size & athlete, but has the instincts, read and react & angle pursuit that subjective Bills fans still try and convince themselves Edmunds might one day learn.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Like he went in a back room and took a nap…. Or was asleep during the meeting?

 

***** incredible story… fans really though that guy was going to turn the franchise around. 😅

During the meeting!! He was sound asleep right at the table. The entire football ops team was at the meeting. They carried on because obviously he wasn’t really scouting and/or making picks. He woke up and asked the scout sitting next to him who they were talking about. Marv turned a whole bunch of pages in the binder to get to the player that they were talking about. He then stood up and started doing toe touches.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The thing that bothers me about Strange is that he’s old. That’s fine when you are a finished product, but he is raw and old. He is like 8 months younger than Ryan Bates. Something like that. But I do like Strange. 

 

He is scheme specific. Really struggled Senior Bowl week anchoring against good competition and I think that will stick in the minds of evaluators who were there. The age thing doesn't help either. In a Shanahan style stretch zone where they can use his movement skills and quick feet I think he could be a good, maybe even very good, NFL player. But if you run any sort of gap / power scheme you should just take him off the board IMO.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, CookieG said:

Anderson actually made all conference as a QB one year and all conference as a MLB the next.  In fact, he was the FCS defensive player of the year for 2021.  In a class of athletic LB's...he actualyl might be the most athletic.

 

But I agree with the poster after you, he might not be a sleeper any longer.

 

As far as names not mentioned, Danny Gray WR SMU. 

 

Can make plays in all three levels, ran a 4.33 40 at the Combine. 800 yards and 10 TD's in 10 games last year.  A threat to take it to the house on any catch.

 

On defense, the truest sleeper may be Amare Barno from V-tech.  6'6, 245 lbs and ran a 4.34 40, a 37 inch vertical and an 11 foot broad jump.,   He needs work, but I can think of a fast DE/LB who just joined the Bills who might be willing to give him some tips.

 

 

Yes please on Gray and Barno 

51 minutes ago, Estro said:

Quay Walker.

 

He's what the Bills hoped Tremaine Edmunds would become.  Similar size & athlete, but has the instincts, read and react & angle pursuit that subjective Bills fans still try and convince themselves Edmunds might one day learn.

Yes please. Or Darren Beavers 

Edited April 2, 2022 by mrags

[LEBills]

There is a lot going against him because he is just sooo small - and due to that he is likely to be undrafted, which would really make him a sleeper.

 

But I’m going to go with Deven Thompkins at Utah State. Not only is he fast but he is physical and routinely won jump balls against single and double teams at like 5’7’’ and 155 pounds. On top of that he is a pretty awesome person off the field and high energy on the field.

 

He may be too small to make it in the league, but he has some of that Steve Smith little dude energy. Not as big but faster. 

[ndirish1978]

8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The thing that bothers me about Strange is that he’s old. That’s fine when you are a finished product, but he is raw and old. He is like 8 months younger than Ryan Bates. Something like that. But I do like Strange. 

 

Agreed but his RAS score is pretty high so I don't see his athleticism being an issue. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

13 hours ago, Rk_Bills86 said:

Sterling Weatherford - S, Miamia(OH)

Jeffrey Gunter - DE, Coastal Caroline

Marquan McCall - DT, Kentucky 

 

*note - this while I like these players I don't know if the DE or DT would fit our scheme. Weatherford would be great as a big Nickle option.

 

Thanks for the share! I was watching some film on these guys, McCall especially, seeing as IDL still could use a little beef. Loved what I saw, until the Combine interview:

 

 

Dude is from Detroit, but he is a Pat******S fan, and he loves Tom Brady... No thanks. Hard pass.

[Kaenon]

My draft 💤 er is Aggie's LB Aaron Hansford.

 

The dude is a baller and is going to thrive in the right system at the next level. 

He plays with a level of aggression and has great tackling fundamentals.

 

Here's a short video:

Aaron Hansford Highlights

 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Kaenon

[BillsFanThru-N-Thru]

Love WR Khalil Shakir from Boise State, feel like he’s vastly underrated with all the receivers in the draft but think he’s gonna be special.  Also live down here in Florida and seen S Markquese Bell from Florida A&M play and he was all over the field making plays. 

[pennstate10]

Here’s a real sleeper. 7th round or udfa

 

Drew

Hartlaub. PSU

 

punt team gunner. 
Ran a 4.22 40 at psu pro day. 
 

Taiwan isn’t gonna be

On this team forever. 

[Dopey]

I mentioned Cam Aikers as my top RB when he came out. He ran behind one of the worst olines in college and still ran well. Having said this, my sleeper is Jashaun Corbin, RB FSU. He also ran behind a very crappy o-line. Any FSU follower here knows that line was terrible. Jashaun transferred from Texas a&m a couple of years ago. He had a 6.2 yds per carry average and caught his fair share of passes last year. He's no Aikers, but he showed up and was FSU's main back. He had 1/2 the touches as Cam and would have matched or exceeded Cam. Jashaun is not on any list I see, so could be a 6-7th round pick. Possibly a fa pickup. He would most likely take over for Zach moss. Great value and a sleeper IMO.

[Magox]

1 hour ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said:

Love WR Khalil Shakir from Boise State, feel like he’s vastly underrated with all the receivers in the draft but think he’s gonna be special.  Also live down here in Florida and seen S Markquese Bell from Florida A&M play and he was all over the field making plays. 

Yes Khalil Shakir can play on the boundaries but also in the slot.   I think the slot is where he will be most effective.  Seems to really have a knack for driving the ball upfield right after he makes the catch.  Could be Crowder or McKenzie’s eventual replacement.  I like him a lot.

 

 

I also really like Alec Pierce.  Definitely a boundary guy, has great size 6’3 213lbs.   Phenomenal speed 4.33 40.  Great hands, smooth effortless runner who is deceptively really fast.  Intelligent route runner.  Had 8 TD’s this past year.    I think he could end up being a 3rd steal.   Will definitely help stretch the field.

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Okay draft sleepers time..... often when you get to this point guys who you think are sleepers when you start the process have started to generate buzz and are asleep no longer. Tariq Woolen is a guy who falls into that category this year. He started as a sleeper he might now even be getting overhyped. Jelani Woods might be another. There are, however, still some guys out there that I would consider sleepers.

 

Bo Melton, Wide Receiver, Rutgers

6th round grade

Melton was a guy who caught my eye at the Senior Bowl. A shifty slot receiver with speed who ran well at the Combine, he was consistently generating separation in Mobile even when the ball didn't come his way and demonstrated a few moves when it did. The more I looked into him and his Rutgers film the more I see a receiver who while never likely to make a starting slot will have some value in those gimmick type roles - sweeps, reverses, bubble screens. He also has a real chance to stick on a roster as a rookie because he has experience as a kick returner, a punt returner and a gunner on special teams. The more you can do.....

 

Jaylen Watson, Cornerback, Washington State

6th round grade

Watson is a developmental corner with size and physicality, perfect for a zone scheme where he keeps the game in front of him. While he has decent long speed and runs in the mid 4.4s he isn't the twitchiest and he isn't as smooth as you'd ideally like in his movements. But in the right system and with the right coaching he could end up developing into a solid #2 corner. 

 

Cordell Volson, Guard, North Dakota State

5th round grade

Volson is a college tackle who could offer some tackle depth in the pros but I think his foot speed would be a problem to be a long term NFL tackle and at the Shrine Bowl, where he was a stand out, he played inside at guard. Better fit for a power run team than a finesses, pass first, offense but he has a chance to be an NFL starter in the right scheme.

 

JT Woods, Safety, Baylor

3rd round grade

Woods might be another of those guys who was a sleeper early in the process but now has been found because of his measurables. 6'2 safeties who can run 4.36 as he did at the Combine don't make it out of day 2 as a rule. He has some rawness to his game and he would probably benefit from starting as a backup and being brought along more slowly but he has a high ceiling. If he reaches it this is a potential pro-bowl level player. 

 

Josh Paschal, Edge, Kentucky

4th round grade

I have seen people all over the map on Paschal. Some like him as a day 2 player, others have him going as late as the 6th or 7th round. He is an older prospect at 23 having sat out a year of his college career after developing cancer. He won his battle with the condition and now deserved his shot at the NFL. I think he is a rotational base end in a 4-3 who will play the run really well and push the pocket, while notching 4 or 5 sacks a year. 

 

D'Vontae Price, Running Back, Florida International

5th round

Price is an intriguing size, speed combination. He reminds me a bit of Karlos Williams in that he runs quite upright and is a see hole, hit hole, type runner. Similar to Karlos before he went off the rails his best fit for me is as a #2 complimentary back to more of a shifty outside runner. Actually wouldn't mind the Bills taking a shot. 

 

Isaiah Weston, Wide Receiver, Northern Iowa

6th round

Okay this one is a real punt. I like a lot of what Isaiah Weston does. He popped to me when watching tape of the Northern Iowa offense in evaluating Trevor Penning. He is 6'4, runs a 4.42, plays with physicality and demonstrates a developed understanding of how to use leverage in his route running. The questions with him are obviously - level of competition, and worryingly - hands. His hands are really inconsistent. Now that would stop you spending a major asset on him, but worth a late round flier. Absolutely. 

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Mr. WEO]

[Thurman#1]

On 4/2/2022 at 7:36 AM, MrEpsYtown said:

The thing that bothers me about Strange is that he’s old. That’s fine when you are a finished product, but he is raw and old. He is like 8 months younger than Ryan Bates. Something like that. But I do like Strange. 

 

 

Interesting way to put it in perspective. I hadn't thought of it that way.

 

Nice post.

[LyndonvilleBill]

On 4/1/2022 at 6:36 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

The thing that bothers me about Strange is that he’s old. That’s fine when you are a finished product, but he is raw and old. He is like 8 months younger than Ryan Bates. Something like that. But I do like Strange. 

I like Strange too. But back to football.😉

 

I hear more people talk about being older and less finished,  but I think this year we may need to change our thinking a little. There are a lot of draft prospects from what I can tell took the opportunity of the extra year of eligibility, plus with Covid shortened seasons It may have impacted growth a little. Could a NFL coaching staff speed up that growth? Say in 1 year instead of 2? A lot of people talk about how young Edmunds is/was, maybe it's not a bad thing for a guy to be a little older. To add to that, players seem to be playing a little longer than they have in the past, so you could still have him for 10+ years.. Just some of my thoughts.🤔

[Solomon Grundy]

Decobie Durant

[Kangaxx]

Brian Robinson Jr - RB (Alabama)

[glazeduck]

1 hour ago, Kangaxx said:

Brian Robinson Jr - RB (Alabama)

Right conference, wrong school. 

 

Give me Zamir White and Kevin Harris all day long.

[jdonley1180]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:20 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

Also Zander Horvath RB (FB) Purdue. Like him to replace Moss and Gilliam. 1 player, 2 spots filled. 

 

 

Same college, same position, same number, same style and yet no comparisons to Alstott? Gawd i feel old

[LyndonvilleBill]

19 minutes ago, jdonley1180 said:

On 4/1/2022 at 5:20 PM, LyndonvilleBill said:

Also Zander Horvath RB (FB) Purdue. Like him to replace Moss and Gilliam. 1 player, 2 spots filled. 

 

 

Same college, same position, same number, same style and yet no comparisons to Alstott? Gawd i feel old

Sorry, but I didn't think about mentioning Alstott. Would be nice to have a 1,2 punch like Dunn and Alstott but doubt we'll be able to find our Dunn.

 

PS. Don't feel old.😉

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, glazeduck said:

Right conference, wrong school. 

 

Give me Zamir White and Kevin Harris all day long.

Kevin Harris is awesome

[glazeduck]

35 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

QB Carson Strong

 

Best QB in this draft class by a mile. A true NFL Franchise QB.

 

NFL comp: Carson Palmer with the clutch gene

 

Draft ceiling: #6 to Carolina

Likeliest destination: #9 to Seattle

Draft floor: #11 to Washington

 

Top 11 pick next month.

I like Strong, he's a target of my in dynasty. That said, I don't think there's any way he goes top 11 in the draft. Possibly late 1 in a trade up (or Lions) scenario, early-to-mid 2 feels much more likely.

[Mat68]

I think the best Rb in this draft in 3 years will be Zamir White from Georgia.  Buffalo takes him in the 3rd rd and he will be a difference maker for the offense.  His knee injuries will scare some away.  I see him as Frank Gore coming out of the U.  Has burst and speed.  

[glazeduck]

1 minute ago, FFadpecr said:

 

Wrong.

 

The Seahawks traded away their HOF QB for the #9 overall pick in this year's draft specifically for this player in particular.

 

If you know Pete Carroll, you know this is the kind of QB he falls in love with.

 

Strong will compete with Drew Lock and easily beat him out.

 

#9 overall to the Seattle Seahawks.

I'm more than a little familiar with Pete Carroll. As am I with this draft class. 

Care to put some money on this since you're so certain?

[glazeduck]

17 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

Who is the old-school prototype QB in this draft? 6'4" 226 pound Carson Strong, that's who.

 

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis and Gabe Jackson = Big Guards

Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny = Big RBs

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

Drew Lock = Big QB

We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks? 

 

Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.

 

EDIT: I'll also add that many in Seattle are urging Pete to retire because he's refused to evolve his football philosophies, so I have a VERY hard time believing that they're going to let him screw up that pick from trading their franchise QB with another player that fits that old school mold...

 

So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.

Edited April 3, 2022 by glazeduck

[glazeduck]

3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

I already edited my post before u even responded. Reread:

 

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

It's why he soured on Russell Wilson over the last few years. Back in 2012, the Seahawks GM took a 3rd round flyer on Wilson, but he was never truly "Pete Caroll's guy" - it just so happened that Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, was their best option at the time, and once he became QB, he kept winning so he kept his job. But there has always been friction between Carroll and Wilson - Wilson is a small undersized QB and that is not what Carroll likes or wants.

This is getting ridiculous. So Pete, who somehow has always secretly hated Russell Wilson because of his size, put the Super Bowl in that man's hands -- INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE BEST GOAL LINE BACKS OF ALL TIME -- because... why exactly?

 

You've made your point, I've made mine. Let's have one of us make some money off of it since you're somehow so sure. I think you're beyond hot-takey at this point, but we'll find out in a few weeks.

Edited April 3, 2022 by glazeduck

[GunnerBill]

We have entered bizarro world. Then again the Seahawks drafted Germain Ifedi and LJ Collier in round 1 too. 

Edited April 3, 2022 by GunnerBill

[GunnerBill]

I mean I am sure you are wrong that Carson Strong goes first round let alone top 10. But you are not interested in hearing an argument to the contrary. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

It is a lock that Carson Strong gets drafted inside the Top 20.

 

Listen to me: an absolute LOCK.

 

He is the best QB in the draft by a country mile. It's not even close.

 

I will bump this thread on April 28th as soon as Strong gets selected inside the Top 20 overall picks.

 

 

The media has totally brainwashed you into thinking that most NFL teams don't have Strong as QB1.

 

Hell, before the 2021 season, there were mock drafts that projected Strong being drafted #2 overall to the Lions. I repeat: #2 overall.

 

Most NFL teams do have Strong rated as QB1 in this class. Because factually, he is.

 

So when I speak to guys who speak to teams that is not what I hear. 

 

Feel free to take a victory lap if it happens. But I hope you will also appear here to eat humble pie if it doesn't.

[glazeduck]

11 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

You're going off on a tangent and missing the forest from the trees in the process. You're lost on this topic.

 

Pete Caroll LITERALLY JUST GAVE AWAY RUSSELL WILSON AND HAS HAD FRICTION WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS NOW.

 

He did that for one reason: to start fresh with his own prototypical hand-picked QB, which is Carson Strong.

 

Exactly.

 

BIG players.

 

Ifedi = Big OL

LJ Collier = Big LB

 

Pete Carroll is an old-school Coach who covets big players with size.

Richard Sherman = Big Corner

Byron Maxwell = Big Corner

Kam Chancellor = Big Safety

DK Metcalf = Big WR

Damien Lewis = Big Guard

Gabe Jackson = Big Guard

Germain Ifedi = Big OL

Marshawn Lynch = Big RB

Chris Carson = Big RB

Rashad Penny = Big RB

Carlos Dunlap = Big DE

LJ Collier = Big LB

Drew Lock = Big QB

 

---------

 

Carson Strong = Big QB (6'4", 226 pounds)

Cherrypicking is fun isn't it?

 

Tyler Locket = tiny at any position

Russell Wilson = tiny qb

Bruce Irvin = tiny DE

Britt = tiny OL

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

Uh huh.

 

Because this isn't Smokescreen Season or anything like that.

 

Teams don't try to mislead the public during Draft Season or anything like that.

 

Teams don't try to hide who they REALLY like, or anything like that.

 

Nah man, smokescreens don't happen at all leading up to the draft. Everything that you hear, all the rumors, are 100% true.(sarcasm)

 

If team likes Player X, I'm sure that team will scream out "We love Player X" from the mountaintops so that the other 31 NFL teams know exactly who they are targeting and coveting.

 

Totally dude. You got me.

 

*facepalm*

 

 

 

I think you are wrong just as much as you think you are right and not one thing you have said is persuasive. 

 

As I say, come back on April 28th and if Strong goes top 10 I will applaud you around your victory lap. If he doesn't though..... don't do a disappearing act.

[LyndonvilleBill]

6 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

 

 

Perfect fit.

 

Carson Strong + DK Metcalf + Pete Carroll = match made in heaven.

So, second round?🤔

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

So, second round?🤔

 

Ha. And yep. Second round I can absolutely see that. 

[HappyDays]

43 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:

Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.

 

Immobile pocket passers are no longer seen as 1st round talents, especially ones with a big medical red flag like Strong. I could see the Seahawks taking a flyer on him in the 2nd round which is the range where Drew Lock was drafted. The chances of him being drafted in the 1st are next to nothing. I think Corral, Willis, and Pickett will be the only 1st round QBs this year. I hope you're right though, the more QBs drafted before our pick the more good players get pushed down the board.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Ha. And yep. Second round I can absolutely see that. 

LOL. Don't have a dog in this fight, but thought it was funny to use that to support an argument for a top 10 pick.😁

[glazeduck]

Just now, LyndonvilleBill said:

LOL. Don't have a dog in this fight, but thought it was funny to use that to support an argument for a top 10 pick.😁

From a random intern, no less.

[glazeduck]

@FFadpecr I'll give you props for having a solid opinion on this. I'm a big believer in needing to have confidence in your draft opinions. I've been very outspoken over the years here on Tebow, DK, Zach Moss, Ed Oliver and others, so props to you for your conviction. 

That said, the fact that you're unwilling to even acknowledge my bet offers leads me to believe you're either doing an elaborate troll job here, or, more likely, not as convinced as you're projecting (using a random intern suggesting they take him in the 2nd isn't helping your case either). 

 

 

[BigAl2526]

On 4/1/2022 at 6:51 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

I love McCall. Just beat the heck out of Tyler Linderbaum in the Iowa game. He isn’t just a big plugger.

He seems to be an enigma.  NFL Draft Buz has him running a 4.55 at 6'3" and 346 lbs.  I'm not sure if I believe that.  It should be impossible for a guy that big to move that fast.  The scouting report does have some negatives.  He's not seen as much of a pass rush threat (which he absolutely should be if he can move that fast).  

 

I have not seen Cam Taylor-Britt mentioned, though I might have missed it.  Taylor-Britt is about Tre White's size with maybe a bit more body mass.  He runs a sub 4.4 and can play safety or CB.