Von Millers position with Buffalo

[NewEra]

Reading and commenting on (not sure why) a FB post saying that Milano will be cut or moved to Klein’s position while Miller takes Milanos spot.

 

another gent said that we were going to switch to a 3-3-5 base to fit Millers skill set

 

had me thinking about how many Bills fans actually feel this will be the case. 

[YoloinOhio]

FB post?

 

[Brand J]

We didn’t just give Von that contract for him to play LB. Whatever designated position he’s be given, DE or LB, he’ll be rushing the passer the vast majority of the time.

[MAJBobby]

Edge.  

 

He will Rush the Passer.

[Mark92]

He's here to hunt.  Designate him whatever position you want. He will line up as a DE, call him a kicker for all I care. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Mark92

[Ray Stonada]

Buffalo plays a 4-2-5 on most downs.

 

Von’s gotta be part of the front four, rushing from the edge, with Tremaine and Milano behind them. Otherwise wouldn’t there be a huge gap in the middle?

You could call it a 3-3-5 too, with Von playing the Biscuit role. 

 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

FB post?

 

I know….sigh. It’ll never happen again 

[Not at the table Karlos]

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Edge.  

 

He will Rush the Passer.

And that's his position really "Pass Rusher" line him up wherever the hell you want but that's what he's here for.

[BuffaloBill]

1 minute ago, Warcodered said:

And that's his position really "Pass Rusher" line him up wherever the hell you want but that's what he's here for.

 

 

Unless Rex returns and he drops into pass coverage …. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2017-2019 the Bills had Lorenzo Alexander. Study those defenses. He’ll likely be a hybrid of Alexander and Hughes.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[MJS]

Whatever he is technically listed as, he will be an edge rusher.

[NoSaint]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reading and commenting on (not sure why) a FB post saying that Milano will be cut or moved to Klein’s position while Miller takes Milanos spot.

 

another gent said that we were going to switch to a 3-3-5 base to fit Millers skill set

 

had me thinking about how many Bills fans actually feel this will be the case. 

why do you have to label it? Our best front 6 will be the plan situationally and most of the time that will include VM on the edge 

[NewEra]

Just now, NoSaint said:

why do you have to label it? Our best front 6 will be the plan situationally and most of the time that will include VM on the edge 

I don’t have to label it.  I’m just asking a question of how people feel. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

P, PK holder.

Miller knows 'Laces Out!'

Also nice to know if someone roughs up Bass, Miller breaks their leg.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

2017-2019 the Bills had Lorenzo Alexander. Study those defenses. He’ll likely be a hybrid of Alexander and Hughes.

This was my reason for making the thread.  Thinking about how we used Lorax. Could he reprise that role and actually line up as an off ball LB sometimes?  Or will he be like Jerry, lined up on the LOS 99%+. 
 

I’m sure there will be times where they drop him into coverage, they do it with most of our DL on occasion. 
 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

This was my reason for making the thread.  Thinking about how we used Lorax. Could he reprise that role and actually line up as an off ball LB sometimes?  Or will he be like Jerry, lined up on the LOS 99%+. 
 

I’m sure there will be times where they drop him into coverage, they do it with most of our DL on occasion. 
 

 

I think in run situations it’s entirely possible to see 4 down DL and Von off the ball.

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t have to label it.  I’m just asking a question of how people feel. 

 ….About which label to use. 
 

it will likely be miller, 2 linebackers and 3 linemen as our base defense when all’s healthy. 
 

he will mostly rush the passer. 

doesn’t matter much what label you use 

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think in run situations it’s entirely possible to see 4 down DL and Von off the ball.

Agreed 

[Orlando Tim]

He will be used on the edge to get a QB, by the roles we have had the past two years he is definitely not a LB.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 ….About which label to use. 
 

it will likely be miller, 2 linebackers and 3 linemen as our base defense when all’s healthy. 
 

he will mostly rush the passer. 

doesn’t matter much what label you use 

Agreed 

So I’m not allowed to ask peoples opinion?  It’s not like the “label” will have an impact on anything.  It’s just a question that I had.  Am I in the minority thinking that Von Miller be playing on the LOS 95% of the time?  
 

It’s not a big deal is it?

[Orlando Tim]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So I’m not allowed to ask peoples opinion?  It’s not like the “label” will have an impact on anything.  It’s just a question that I had.  Am I in the minority thinking that Von Miller be playing on the LOS 95% of the time?  
 

It’s not a big deal is it?

It is the off season- just clean this crap up by the regular season😄

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

So I’m not allowed to ask peoples opinion?  It’s not like the “label” will have an impact on anything.  It’s just a question that I had.  Am I in the minority thinking that Von Miller be playing on the LOS 95% of the time?  
 

It’s not a big deal is it?

I mean, I was saying globally and not attacking you personally. This is a pretty common discussion as you note seeing it on other social media and I think a lot of people are framing it wrong
 

I do think in general that in the case of a player like this it’s not a particularly productive. He’s an edge rusher that can play standing up too.
 

He’s not regularly putting Milano off the field as his LB title would imply and why I think forcing a label on it can actually be counterproductive for defining the role. 
 

if forced, a DE who will also drop back some times 

[nucci]

Defense

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Millers coverage numbers are pretty aweful, BUT he clearly has a masters degree in Defense and could probably learn how to cover if he needed to, Zo did and he really wasn’t terrible.

 

That said, I think he’ll be a full time DE.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean, I was saying globally and not attacking you personally. This is a pretty common discussion as you note seeing it on other social media and I think a lot of people are framing it wrong
 

I do think in general that in the case of a player like this it’s not a particularly productive. He’s an edge rusher that can play standing up too.
 

He’s not regularly putting Milano off the field as his LB title would imply and why I think forcing a label on it can actually be counterproductive for defining the role. 
 

if forced, a DE who will also drop back some times 

Ok.my bad.  

 

In the interactions I was having, there were people saying that Miller would take Milanos spot and Milano into Klein’s spot.  
 

while I knew he wouldn’t take Milanos spot, I thought of lorax and how he sometimes played off the ball.  Von is a super freak athlete and could easily do what lorenzo was doing off the ball (and do it much better).  I started to question whether or not we could sometime see von in that role.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Unless Rex returns and he drops into pass coverage …. 

hasn't there been moments where Ed Oliver has rolled into coverage?

[glazeduck]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Edge.  

 

He will Rush the Passer.

This. He won't have a "position", he'll just be rushing the passer.

[DrDawkinstein]

This isnt even really a question. He will absolutely be a DE.

[GunnerBill]

He is not here to play as an off the ball linebacker. Lord alive do the people who think that not watch football?

[No_Matter_What]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

He is not here to play as an off the ball linebacker. Lord alive do the people who think that not watch football?

I didn't notice your opinion on Von Miller signing. Do you like it? Do you like it more that Chandler Jones signing you wanted?

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I didn't notice your opinion on Von Miller signing. Do you like it? Do you like it more that Chandler Jones signing you wanted?

 

I have been away for a couple of days that's why. Wasn't in a position to post on Wednesday and Thursday as I was gambling money on the horses, without much success it must be said! 

 

I was pleased with the Von Miller signing, yes. Chandler Jones was still my #1 target, but I said last week it was Jones or Von Miller or bust for me in the vet pass rusher market for this team. They needed one of the two top guys, and they got one. 

[billybrew1]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Edge.  

 

He will Rush the Passer.

But! He won’t be a standard player in this defense. Leslie must make allowances for him. He plays the super-wide-nine position and he will play it from a more standing up position. His job should be to read and react to the play and cause as much damage as he can to the opposition.

So, not the standard Leslie D….

: )

Just now, billybrew1 said:

But! He won’t be a standard player in this defense. Leslie must make allowances for him. He plays the super-wide-nine position and he will play it from a more standing up position. His job should be to read and react to the play and cause as much damage as he can to the opposition.

So, not the standard Leslie D….

: )

Should they try and make Von Miller fit their ridiculous D may heaven be kind to them for wasting such a talent.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

But! He won’t be a standard player in this defense. Leslie must make allowances for him. He plays the super-wide-nine position and he will play it from a more standing up position. His job should be to read and react to the play and cause as much damage as he can to the opposition.

So, not the standard Leslie D….

: )

Should they try and make Von Miller fit their ridiculous D may heaven be kind to them for wasting such a talent.

 

Their D is far from ridiculous. That is why it has been top 5 in the NFL 3 out of 4 years. Is there more of an adjustment needed for Von? Yes, that was why Chandler Jones was my ideal target because he could be more plug and play, but they used Lorax in a creative way as a rusher and I am sure that they will do that some with Von Miller. But he will also play a lot of downs as a conventional defensive end. You can't go to nascar style pass rush packages every passing down.

[MAJBobby]

11 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

But! He won’t be a standard player in this defense. Leslie must make allowances for him. He plays the super-wide-nine position and he will play it from a more standing up position. His job should be to read and react to the play and cause as much damage as he can to the opposition.

So, not the standard Leslie D….

: )

Should they try and make Von Miller fit their ridiculous D may heaven be kind to them for wasting such a talent.

I thought Settle said he would play that position too in his interview.😀

[Rockinon]

He is listed on the Bills roster as a LB. The way defenses are run today, they don't really designate whether they are running a 4-3 or 3-4 anymore. There have been so many hybrid schemes that take some principals from each and modify what individual players are expected to do. Miller is a speed rusher and at 250lbs can barely be called a DE. The Bills will have their own spin on his role. In a 3-4 they used to call his role the joker. But there are still variations. He can change from play to play DE/LB. That's just what defenses do nowadays. What you don't want is to pigeon hole what his role will be. Offenses have become very varied. Defenses must do the same or be left in the dust. So in essence, Miller will be both. A LB and a DE. He will have a role that can change from play to play, but if I had to guess it will mostly be to get after whoever has the ball and blow s**t up.