John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Its not my money totally good with the moves would like to know where we are at after the moves 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Its not my money totally good with the moves would like to know where we are at after the moves Listen here you son of a B word. You get angry about this, and you get angry now! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I appreciate your post on this. It's very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 6 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: $7.6 MM which is probably the number the Bills will want to have going into the draft and season. Negative, $1.5M is amortized signing bonus aka "Dead Money" $6.1M savings by snipping Bease 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: With Beasley Release and Recent moves. Bills cap Space $18,922,395 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Still to account for in that 18.9M Howard Jones Saffold Miller And now also Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson Looked at another way: Bills FA moves as of 3/17 5:52 pm Offense Position Offense Position Howard TE Jones 1T DT Saffold LG (rg) Lawson DE Miller Edge (OLB) J. Phillips 3T DT Settle DT Might be time for Dorsey to walk into Beane's office and glare...... Needs: OG (especially if we lose Bates) WR backup QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Negative, $1.5M is amortized signing bonus aka "Dead Money" $6.1M savings by snipping Bease And now also Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson Looked at another way: Bills FA moves as of 3/17 5:52 pm Offense Position Offense Position Howard TE Jones 1T DT Saffold LG (rg) Lawson DE Miller Edge (OLB) J. Phillips 3T DT Settle DT Might be time for Dorsey to walk into Beane's office and glare...... Needs: OG (especially if we lose Bates) WR backup QB Won’t lose Bates IMO alot or WRS left don’t care about a BU QB Fitz can come on that Veteran Exemption to count only 890k against CAP but a min deal for all I care 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Can’t see this team not adding to the CB position in FA with a solid player with Tre coming off an injury and losing Wallace Yes, this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, MAJBobby said: With Beasley Release and Recent moves. Bills cap Space $18,922,395 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Still to account for in that 18.9M Howard Jones Saffold Miller Does this means we won’t be able to get few more DT’s 😱 Edited March 18, 2022 by Putin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 13 hours ago, MAJBobby said: How many DTs do you want? And why would you trust a player that doesnt show up or even really want to play anymore to give him another contract redo. Move on from this malcontent already There's zero indication anyone at OBD considers Star a malcontent. Zero. Nonetheless, his lack of availability is a legitimate concern. As for DTs, how many more? As many as they want. We need competition, always. Now if I've got it right they have DaQuan Jones, Jordan Phillips, Tim Settle, Ed Oliver, Star Lotulelei and Eli Ankou. And they might well draft one somewhere. That's competition, and the more the merrier. If Star plays the way he did after Covid, say goodbye. If someone disappoints, trade 'em for a low pick or cut 'em. It's great letting the lowest two or three there know they'd better work hard, 'cause they're on the bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 18 hours ago, todd said: Yep, and we also don't have any backup QBs. One will be a vet that won't be very cheap. I think one will be a vet. But they will, by necessity, have to be very cheap. I wouldn't be totally amazed if Matt Barkley ends up back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think one will be a vet. But they will, by necessity, have to be very cheap. I wouldn't be totally amazed if Matt Barkley ends up back. Glad to see you're alive. It was strange not to see you 2 days or so when the biggest things were happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 @BuffaloBill If you want to update your original post. SPOTAC has us at 18.9M today (top 51) still not accounted for are (Howard, Jones, Miller, Lawson, Phillips and Saffold) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 21 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: We’re going to need another 15M for Robinson and Gilmore. Diggs extension should get that taken care of. Got to come up with money to lay the guys we ALREADY signed . Jones,Miller, Phillips,et.al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Anybody has idea when should sportrac has missing data? I mean they are now trying to get info from league or agents or what? I find it weird that some contracts are immediately known to details and in some (many) cases we need to wait days (weeks?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The good news is we still haven't even had to use any of our big 3 yet Dawkins, Diggs, and White attorneys at law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Negative, $1.5M is amortized signing bonus aka "Dead Money" $6.1M savings by snipping Bease And now also Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson Looked at another way: Bills FA moves as of 3/17 5:52 pm Offense Position Offense Position Howard TE Jones 1T DT Saffold LG (rg) Lawson DE Miller Edge (OLB) J. Phillips 3T DT Settle DT Might be time for Dorsey to walk into Beane's office and glare...... Needs: OG (especially if we lose Bates) WR backup QB Do we really need a WR? I think we are good with Davis, Diggs, Mckenzie and Knox. I think we will see a lot of Hodgins and Stevenson this year too. Maybe draft one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: Do we really need a WR? I think we are good with Davis, Diggs, Mckenzie and Knox. I think we will see a lot of Hodgins and Stevenson this year too. Maybe draft one I think we do. I saw nothing in Stevenson that made me think he is an NFL caliber player, and who knows about Hodgins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Anybody has idea when should sportrac has missing data? I mean they are now trying to get info from league or agents or what? I find it weird that some contracts are immediately known to details and in some (many) cases we need to wait days (weeks?). I don't really understand how Spotrac and Overthecap work, but my guess is that the league office is pretty well overwhelmed the first couple days of FA and are working full-bore to keep up. If Spotrac has sources there, they may not have time to keep them in the loop. I suspect they get info from agents as well, but the same "working full bore" may apply and agents are not necessarily reliable sources when they're trying to make every contract sound fantastic. Or, contrarily, if their guys sign a cheap deal, they don't want to depress the market so they keep it hush. And yeah, I'm personally F5ing and "Jonesing" for the details on Jones, Phillips, Lawson, Saffold, Miller, and Howard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I think we do. I saw nothing in Stevenson that made me think he is an NFL caliber player, and who knows about Hodgins. I’m definitely drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds. WR, CB, then I would sneakingly go safety in any order really. Edited March 18, 2022 by Governor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I think we do. I saw nothing in Stevenson that made me think he is an NFL caliber player, and who knows about Hodgins. This. Guys can absolutely grow and develop, but "hope is not a plan". Even Davis has looked uneven in his development at times. 7 minutes ago, Governor said: I’m definitely drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds. WR, CB, then I would sneakingly go safety in any order really. Not a fan of BPA and "let the board come to us" I see 54 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: The good news is we still haven't even had to use any of our big 3 yet Dawkins, Diggs, and White attorneys at law. I think we restructured Dawkins and White last year....though looking at Dawkins contract perhaps I'm mistaken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think one will be a vet. But they will, by necessity, have to be very cheap. I wouldn't be totally amazed if Matt Barkley ends up back. I thought they might want Kyle Allen, but he apparently just signed a 1 year, $2.5M contract with the Texans of which $2.25M is guaranteed - which might be more than the Bills would want to pay/guarantee (and he may see himself more likely to start in Houston) Pretty wild that we signed Trubisky last season for the same $$ Nice raise for Allen, who earned $850k last season, Josh Allen must be happy for his friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Governor said: I’m definitely drafting a WR in the first 2 rounds. WR, CB, then I would sneakingly go safety in any order really. I'd probably go guard WR cb. Depends how the rest of FA plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I think we do. I saw nothing in Stevenson that made me think he is an NFL caliber player, and who knows about Hodgins. Hodgins might be your new slot receiver. Davis #2, McKenzie the #4 motion, keep the D off balance guy. They’ll also go with ALOT of 12 personnel with OJ in the fold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think one will be a vet. But they will, by necessity, have to be very cheap. I wouldn't be totally amazed if Matt Barkley ends up back. I don't think Fitz, considering the money he's made, and coming off a serious injury, is going to want to play anywhere for Vet minimum. He might have to shave, but I suspect with his intelligence, he might become a first rate TV analyst, or an eventual GM like Elway or Lynch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said: Anybody has idea when should sportrac has missing data? I mean they are now trying to get info from league or agents or what? I find it weird that some contracts are immediately known to details and in some (many) cases we need to wait days (weeks?). When the contracts are filed. So they can get the true structure. So Bills havent filed them yet to the league. Once Filed in it a matter of hours. Like Settles for example has been tracked and accounted for since first reported he signed. And Until Filed to the league they are technically NOT official. So the delay in filing could be cap related or could be they wanted to get all the players to sign in person for their pressers yesterday. If they are not cap related I expect them to be filed today and likely by the 4pm transaction window. So then by Sat SPOTRAC should have them accounted for. Edited March 18, 2022 by MAJBobby 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Guys can absolutely grow and develop, but "hope is not a plan". Even Davis has looked uneven in his development at times. Not a fan of BPA and "let the board come to us" I see I think we restructured Dawkins and White last year....though looking at Dawkins contract perhaps I'm mistaken. To some extent but I think we should go in knowing we need an impact WR that can help us immediately, which isn’t easy to find. We should also plan for life without our safeties and look for a LB also and get some guys on cheaper contracts. Basically, don’t come home without a WR and CB. After that, we’re officially in “luxury pick” territory so start looking for guys to replace with rookie deals. Definitely lean towards “need” in the first two rounds. Edited March 18, 2022 by Governor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The Remaining Cap Tickets I see. Stef Diggs (Extension) - Can save at least 10M with a good structure Tre White - Base to Bonus Conversion (can save 7M min) (I would put this one as my last resort though because of the INJ) Edmunds - (Extension) - Can save probably 6-8M with good structure, (Trade) saves 12.7M Poyer - (Extension) - probably saves around 5M on a good structure Lotulelei - (Post June 1 Cut) 4.1M, (Cut) 1.5M, (Trade) 4.0M, (trade post june 1) 6.6M (this might be the plan get to June 1 and trade him for nothing to get max savings All Total roughly can clear 28-35M pretty easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 THIS says it all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: THIS says it all. . When you have a Owner willing to spend and a GM that understands the Cap and how to skillfully manipulate it, Cap becomes very very pliable and less restrictive. And so now I will say we have Both so Thank you Kim and Terry and Big Baller Beane Edited March 18, 2022 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Every year the saints and the rams are hilariously over the cap and they end up under. Just tell the league you're under cause I feel like they just don't check 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Governor said: To some extent but I think we should go in knowing we need an impact WR that can help us immediately, which isn’t easy to find. We should also plan for life without our safeties and look for a LB also and get some guys on cheaper contracts. Basically, don’t come home without a WR and CB. After that, we’re officially in “luxury pick” territory so start looking for guys to replace with rookie deals. Long term you're right about LB and S. Near term, I think OG/C and OL in general is a much higher priority than WR. We have Saffold (coming off injury) on a 1 yr contract. Even if we do keep Bates, we're very thin at OG, we need a succession plan at C, and our current swing tackle backup is Doyle, who would need to take a huge step to believe that we aren't one injury away from A Very Bad Day for Josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Every year the saints and the rams are hilariously over the cap and they end up under. Just tell the league you're under cause I feel like they just don't check or probably don't care. The owners make the rules. Are they going to punish themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 30 minutes ago, flomoe said: Hodgins might be your new slot receiver. Davis #2, McKenzie the #4 motion, keep the D off balance guy. They’ll also go with ALOT of 12 personnel with OJ in the fold Honestly, I'm not super comfortable if that is McD's plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: The Remaining Cap Tickets I see. Stef Diggs (Extension) - Can save at least 10M with a good structure Tre White - Base to Bonus Conversion (can save 7M min) (I would put this one as my last resort though because of the INJ) Edmunds - (Extension) - Can save probably 6-8M with good structure, (Trade) saves 12.7M Poyer - (Extension) - probably saves around 5M on a good structure Lotulelei - (Post June 1 Cut) 4.1M, (Cut) 1.5M, (Trade) 4.0M, (trade post june 1) 6.6M (this might be the plan get to June 1 and trade him for nothing to get max savings All Total roughly can clear 28-35M pretty easily. Diggs is going to cost more, esp with the insane contract Adams just got. Edmunds is on his 5th year "bargain" first round option, he will want a long term extension, which I'm not seeing a lot of the board would be happy with, He is supposedly the defensive signal caller, so trade comes with risk. Matakevich is JAG, and probably can be replaced, but he's also a backup LB, and Milano has been prone to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, BearNorth said: I don't think Fitz, considering the money he's made, and coming off a serious injury, is going to want to play anywhere for Vet minimum. He might have to shave, but I suspect with his intelligence, he might become a first rate TV analyst, or an eventual GM like Elway or Lynch This. Fitz last 4 contracts were 1 yr, $10M ($6M guaranteed); 2 year, $11M ($7M guaranteed); 2x 1 year, $3M ($1.3M guaranteed. People think that a guy who has made money should be willing to work real cheap, but unless he hasn't been taking care "y'all chicken" (which Fitz has), there's a 'dignity point' where a guy who does not have to work, would rather not work than work for the minimum. We also have seen since he left Buffalo that guaranteed $$ are a thing to Fitz. He's a businessman and a family man, and he isn't going to buy a house and relocate his family and lose money on his "operating expenses" if cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Diggs is going to cost more, esp with the insane contract Adams just got. Not in terms of 2022 CAP. if structure is right Edmunds is on his 5th year "bargain" first round option, he will want a long term extension, which I'm not seeing a lot of the board would be happy with, He is supposedly the defensive signal caller, so trade comes with risk. I think Bills will have him play out this contract and then decide before the 2023 offseason IMO but is a ticket that can be cashed. Matakevich is JAG, and probably can be replaced, but he's also a backup LB, and Milano has been prone to injury. Yep but also minimal savings and that savings would likely be eaten up by his replacement Comments in bold 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This. Fitz last 4 contracts were 1 yr, $10M ($6M guaranteed); 2 year, $11M ($7M guaranteed); 2x 1 year, $3M ($1.3M guaranteed. People think that a guy who has made money should be willing to work real cheap, but unless he hasn't been taking care "y'all chicken" (which Fitz has), there's a 'dignity point' where a guy who does not have to work, would rather not work than work for the minimum. We also have seen since he left Buffalo that guaranteed $$ are a thing to Fitz. He's a businessman and a family man, and he isn't going to buy a house and relocate his family and lose money on his "operating expenses" if cut. He was at the Bills playoff game Shirtless. To take a Vet Min Contract (with the Veteran exemption 1.1M in cash, Cap hit of 890K) might be something he is willing to do. And if not Fitz one of these Vets will. What hasnt Fitz got in his journey man career..... A Ring. He is at the end of his career.... Made money and Now maybe he wants a Ring as well. Edited March 18, 2022 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Every year the saints and the rams are hilariously over the cap and they end up under. Just tell the league you're under cause I feel like they just don't check They check. And they care. There have been cases where contracts have been filed with the league and held up because there was some dispute about a prior move that cleared cap. Like for example the team traded a player to clear the cap to sign another player, but there was a SNAFU in the trade terms so the signing didn't go through until that was straightened. At this time of the year, I think there's just a backlog and also sometimes a move that's agreed on (like restructuring the contracts that clear cap space for signings) isn't signed off because the player involved is vacationing and it's not their top priority, so the contracts contingent on that can't be filed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He was at the Bills playoff game Shirtless. To take a Vet Min Contract (with the Veteran exemption 1.1M in cash, Cap hit of 890K) might be something he is willing to do. And if not Fitz one of these Vets will. Especially to end his career with Josh and Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He was at the Bills playoff game Shirtless. To take a Vet Min Contract (with the Veteran exemption 1.1M in cash, Cap hit of 890K) might be something he is willing to do. And if not Fitz one of these Vets will. Yeah, No. Being a fan and having a blast with the former Buffalo neighbors he's kept in touch with and his son is one thing. A business decision is something else. Just like Harrison Phillips who may have shed tears about leaving Buffalo, or Jordan Phillips, contracts are business decisions and you don't risk life and limb for a contract that is not in your business interest. He might go for a somewhat smaller contract than he could get elsewhere, but going from $3M to $5.5M to $10M to $1.06M and very minimal signing bonus is a bridge too far. Here's the info on Veteran Salary Benefit contracts (which are not just for end of career - any player with 4 years or more can sign one) https://frontofficenfl.com/2020/05/25/2020-nfl-cba-explained-veteran-salary-benefit/ One feature is that bonuses in addition to the per-game minimum salary can not exceed $137k. They're not just intended for "end of career" but in general, to help older NFL players compete successfully as a ST or backup, with newer cheaper guys. (BTW, not necessarily you, but some people seem to think Shaq and Jordan Phillips must have signed minimum contracts. I doubt they were outrageous because neither lived up to the contracts they signed post-Bills so their market has dropped. But I doubt they were VSB or minimum contracts either) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, No. Being a fan and having a blast with the former Buffalo neighbors he's kept in touch with and his son is one thing. A business decision is something else. Just like Harrison Phillips who may have shed tears about leaving Buffalo, or Jordan Phillips, contracts are business decisions and you don't risk life and limb for a contract that is not in your business interest. He might go for a somewhat smaller contract than he could get elsewhere, but going from $3M to $5.5M to $10M to $1.06M and very minimal signing bonus is a bridge too far. Here's the info on Veteran Salary Benefit contracts (which are not just for end of career - any player with 4 years or more can sign one) https://frontofficenfl.com/2020/05/25/2020-nfl-cba-explained-veteran-salary-benefit/ One feature is that bonuses in addition to the per-game minimum salary can not exceed $137k. They're not just intended for "end of career" but in general, to help older NFL players compete successfully as a ST or backup, with newer cheaper guys. (BTW, not necessarily you, but some people seem to think Shaq and Jordan Phillips must have signed minimum contracts. I doubt they were outrageous because neither lived up to the contracts they signed post-Bills so their market has dropped. But I doubt they were VSB or minimum contracts either) The longer the 39, will be 40 QB sits on the market the closer that Bridge becomes. (ooo and coming off MAJOR Hip INJ) Who has already made 82.1M in Cash in his career. Edited March 18, 2022 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And yeah, I'm personally F5ing and "Jonesing" for the details on Jones, Phillips, Lawson, Saffold, Miller, and Howard Saffold is already in his own thread. 4.25M this year, 2M next void year. Overall good value I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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