JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Putin said: I’m not here to disagree with you but last year we also thought that no way will be able to keep Milano and Williams , just saying that if Bean wants to get something done he’ll figure out a way I agree with you but if we are moving on from him next year , wouldn’t it be better to get something for him instead of letting walk ? Yes...Get a 2nd rounder, and sign Wagner...Instant upgrade plus more draft ammo...👍 Edited March 13, 2022 by JaCrispy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Putin said: I’m not here to disagree with you but last year we also thought that no way will be able to keep Milano and Williams , just saying that if Bean wants to get something done he’ll figure out a way I agree with you but if we are moving on from him next year , wouldn’t it be better to get something for him instead of letting walk ? I don’t think they are worried about that. I think they are more worried about this year than some day 2 pick in 2023. Plus I don’t think they know they are moving on and they don’t need to know that yet. Edited March 13, 2022 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s going to play out this year and go from there. Beane isn’t changing out the captain of the D, they are all in this year. You think they let him play it out huh? I think so too. If they see him as a “core building block” wouldn’t extending him now be a no brainer? The longer they wait, the more expensive he’ll be. If they truly believe, they would extend him now and create more cap room this year. It’s a win win for the Bills if they really love the guy. Locking up a core building block while creating 10M in cap space. 2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yes...Get a 2nd rounder, and sign Wagne...👍 Instant upgrade plus more draft ammo... We aren’t getting a 2nd rounder lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Putin said: I’m not here to disagree with you but last year we also thought that no way will be able to keep Milano and Williams , just saying that if Bean wants to get something done he’ll figure out a way Re-signing Milano and Williams is a far cry from trading for Barkley, re-signing Phillips, and signing Gronkowski and Chandler. He was very flexible last year and was able to make some moves. But I think that makes it harder this season. You can't restructure or paycut everyone year after year. I think he'll do some things and maybe get one or two of those guys. But this idea of "he can create space whenever he wants" isn't as easy as a lot of posters make it out to be. FA opens on Monday and we're still only 1-2 million under the cap. You can't even sign draft picks with that. The fact that were still sitting where we're at this close to the start of FA just goes to show it's not as simple as people are making it to be. And people are reaching Madden levels of ridiculousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Anyone know or see how the bills will create or save cap space in the coming weeks? Sounds like they need roughly $25M with all the “rumors”…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: Re-signing Milano and Williams is a far cry from trading for Barkley, re-signing Phillips, and signing Gronkowski and Chandler. He was very flexible last year and was able to make some moves. But I think that makes it harder this season. You can't restructure or paycut everyone year after year. I think he'll do some things and maybe get one or two of those guys. But this idea of "he can create space whenever he wants" isn't as easy as a lot of posters make it out to be. FA opens on Monday and we're still only 1-2 million under the cap. You can't even sign draft picks with that. The fact that were still sitting where we're at this close to the start of FA just goes to show it's not as simple as people are making it to be. And people are reaching Madden levels of ridiculousness. He’ll be restructuring @ least 2 players a year, every year until he gets fired/resigns imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Yes...Get a 2nd rounder, and sign Wagner...Instant upgrade plus more draft ammo...👍 It's much more likely that Edmunds will be extended to create cap space. And man, I can't wait to see some of your guys posts if/when it happens. Nothing about what Beane and McDermott has ever said and how they've used him makes me think he's viewed even remotely like his detractors on this board view him. Edmunds will not be traded. I'd bet the house. 1 hour ago, Putin said: I agree with you but if we are moving on from him next year , wouldn’t it be better to get something for him instead of letting walk ? Who says they are moving on him from after this year? Edited March 13, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: It's much more likely that Edmunds will be extended to create cap space. And man, I can't wait to see some of you guys' posts when it happens. Nothing about what Beane and McDermott has ever said and how they've used him makes me think he's viewed even remotely like his detractors on this board view him. Edmunds will not be traded. I'd bet the house. Who says they are moving on him from after this year? Nobody says they’re moving on from him , but Oliver contract is also around the corner will they be able to keep both ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: It's much more likely that Edmunds will be extended to create cap space. And man, I can't wait to see some of you guys' posts if/when it happens. Nothing about what Beane and McDermott has ever said and how they've used him makes me think he's viewed even remotely like his detractors on this board view him. Edmunds will not be traded. I'd bet the house. Who says they are moving on him from after this year? Your answer lies in the post that he was replying to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Putin said: Nobody says they’re moving on from him , but Oliver contract is also around the corner will they be able to keep both ? Edmunds is on his 5th year option this year and Oliver is on his 5th year option next year. Yes, they can't which makes some of these laundry list of Superstar moves this season even more ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Pete said: https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/cole-beasley-christian-mccaffrey-trade/ Cole, a 3rd, and a 5th. Hell yeah I say. Motor and Christian, F Yeah! McCafferty would solve our returner issues too. He can motion outside, and really present matchup problems. I doubt the Bills are trading for him, but if they do I also doubt a player with his injury history will be used to return kicks. Getting him through offensive series is hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Your answer lies in the post that he was replying to No, it doesn't the post he replied to was saying he believes Beane is letting this year play out and going from there without being clear what he's going to do yet (and personally, I'm not convinced he's even that down on him). He wasn't saying he's definitely out the door after this season. I think you're reading it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Chandler Jones is going to either the 49ers or Broncos. This is from my own Twitter research. (Seeing that he was trending and saw what most of the posts were about). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 hours ago, SCBills said: As much as I’m weary of McCaffrey’s injury history, I’d do this. If we aren’t willing to pull a LA Rams and mortgage the future to win (I’m not saying I disagree with being more conservative) you’ve got to take some risks. Buffalo has shown, knock on wood, that we can keep players healthy. McCaffrey also won’t be a workhorse here. Singletary is likely still the lead back and CMC comes in spell him, two back sets, and play in the slot. He’ll get his touches, but they will be more in space and less grinding through big bodies. Not for the money he makes. That dude is starting. He will move around to different positions but he’s not there to spell anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: No, it doesn't the post he replied to was saying he believes Beane is letting this year play out and going from there without being clear what he's going to do yet (and personally, I'm not convinced he's even that down on him). He wasn't saying he's definitely out the door after this season. I think you're reading it wrong. If they love and want to keep edmunds so much…..what sense does it make to wait? Edited March 13, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Draconator said: Chandler Jones is going to either the 49ers or Broncos. This is from my own Twitter research. (Seeing that he was trending and saw what most of the posts were about). Funny everything I read it is down to Broncos and Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, purple haze said: I doubt the Bills are trading for him, but if they do I also doubt a player with his injury history will be used to return kicks. Getting him through offensive series is hard enough. Agreed. Brandon Beane has proven time and again that he doesn't allocate premium draft picks or pay for RB's. No way he's doing both. Especially for a guy who's proven time and again he can't stay on the field. And especially after Singletary finished the season in the fashion he did. I see him looking at another Frank Gore, TJ Yeldon, Matt Breida like inexpensive veteran or a mid round pick. And that will be that for RB. 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: If they love and want to keep edmunds so much…..what sense does it make to wait? I'm not convinced they will. I find it much more likely he's extended soon to lower his cap figure this season than it is he's traded. Edited March 13, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, dje85 said: Funny everything I read it is down to Broncos and Bills. I'm seeing a ton of tweets about him and the 49ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s going to play out this year and go from there. Beane isn’t changing out the captain of the D, they are all in this year. More importantly, there’s not a clear path to meaningful compensation if he was offered an impact player or pick, I think you’d be wrong… but that’s unlikely to come through and he’s not moving just to shuffle chairs aimlessly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 32 minutes ago, NewEra said: You think they let him play it out huh? I think so too. If they see him as a “core building block” wouldn’t extending him now be a no brainer? The longer they wait, the more expensive he’ll be. If they truly believe, they would extend him now and create more cap room this year. It’s a win win for the Bills if they really love the guy. Locking up a core building block while creating 10M in cap space. We aren’t getting a 2nd rounder lol Monday is just around the corner. Beane will do something contractually with a player or two. Could be Edmunds. I would be on the board all day just to see the tears. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Agreed. Brandon Beane has proven time and again that he doesn't allocate premium draft picks or pay for RB's. No way he's doing both. Especially for a guy who's proven time and again he can't stay on the field. And especially after Singletary finished the season in the fashion he did. I see him looking at another Frank Gore, TJ Yeldon, Matt Breida like inexpensive veteran or a mid round pick. And that will be that for RB. I'm not convinced they will. I find it much more likely he's extended soon to lower his cap figure this season than it is he's traded. That’s just it. There’s no reason to wait if they’re sold on him. They know they need to clear cap and locking up a core player can create a ton of cap space. So why wait? Are teams able to extend players right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I’m not a huge Edmunds fan, but I think he has a ton of potential. If we extend him to alleviate his cap hit next year, ok, fine. If we trade him, great. I do think - until we sign him long term - he could be a surprise trade in a player for player swap. What I don’t love is him, at his cap hit, not locked up long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I like edmunds But if you could move him, and sign wagner to replace him Thats something I'm interested in exploring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: That’s just it. There’s no reason to wait if they’re sold on him. They know they need to clear cap and locking up a core player can create a ton of cap space. So why wait? Are teams able to extend players right now? I wouldn't consider picking up a 5th year option and re-upping him before the start of that 5th year is "waiting". It's a fairly common practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: Just for context, we were first or second in pressure rate and top 10 in sacks. We can use a stud but we are absolutely not desperate. Pass rush has been THE defining difference in the last 2 Super Bowls. If you want to get to the playoffs top 10 is fine, but difference makers are needed to get to the SB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Did I miss something on Edmunds? Checked into the board tonight and seems like there is lot of chatter about him. Personally think it would be a great idea to get out of paying him 12 million this year, and 14+ million a year if they re-up but seems like there is real conversation about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Did I miss something on Edmunds? Checked into the board tonight and seems like there is lot of chatter about him. Personally think it would be a great idea to get out of paying him 12 million this year, and 14+ million a year if they re-up but seems like there is real conversation about it. The only conversation is along fans imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Did I miss something on Edmunds? Checked into the board tonight and seems like there is lot of chatter about him. Personally think it would be a great idea to get out of paying him 12 million this year, and 14+ million a year if they re-up but seems like there is real conversation about it. Nah, just all of us trying to speak it into existence. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, SCBills said: Nah, just all of us trying to speak it into existence. I think it would be a smart move on their part but I also realize they value him a lot more than I do. Dreading the day they give him a long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Nah, just all of us trying to speak it into existence. At least your being honest with yourself unlike those who speak of it like it's a forgone conclusion when it couldn't be further from reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Did I miss something on Edmunds? Checked into the board tonight and seems like there is lot of chatter about him. Personally think it would be a great idea to get out of paying him 12 million this year, and 14+ million a year if they re-up but seems like there is real conversation about it. I think the chatter is because the next options with Edmunds are extension, trade, or let walk in free agency. Those that think he's average or worse don't want an extension, but also don't want to just let him walk. So they're hoping for a trade. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I wouldn't consider picking up a 5th year option and re-upping him before the start of that 5th year is "waiting". It's a fairly common practice. We need cap space…..No? Extending him now creates cap space and locks him in at a cheaper rate (as the rates go up yearly). what reasons do they have for not extending him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: We need cap space…..No? Extending him now creates cap space and locks him in at a cheaper rate (as the rates go up yearly). what reasons do they have for not extending him? Exactly why I say extend him. But he might have an inflated price tag right now. His accomplishments say top 5 ILB, even if his play doesn't. Edmunds probably believes he's worth somewhere around $18 million per year. Edited March 13, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: We need cap space…..No? Extending him now creates cap space and locks him in at a cheaper rate (as the rates go up yearly). what reasons do they have for not extending him? Again, who says he won't? All my posts have been alluding to my expectation that it will probably happen soon. People seem to think signing long term deals or restructuring deals are simple and get done at the snap of a finger. Negotiations take time and I'd expect it to get done sometime between now and before the start of the season. Edited March 13, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: I really want Cox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 55 minutes ago, Draconator said: Chandler Jones is going to either the 49ers or Broncos. This is from my own Twitter research. (Seeing that he was trending and saw what most of the posts were about). My Lord, if he goes to the Broncos and Von Miller returns... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think the chatter is because the next options with Edmunds are extension, trade, or let walk in free agency. Those that think he's average or worse don't want an extension, but also don't want to just let him walk. So they're hoping for a trade. What about franchise tag as the route they’re planning go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said: What about franchise tag as the route they’re planning go? They'd be better off with an extension. Tag number is like $18 million this year. It wouldn't make sense. I don't think Edmunds will sign a deal with the Bills unless it's around that number. I don't think the Bills are going to pay that. So if you do take that into account trading Edmunds this offseason makes sense if there's a decent market for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I really want Cox. Was it you that wrote that on the bathroom wall?! 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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