Get Christian McCaffery to be our #1... slot WR...???

[transplantbillsfan]

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/cole-beasley-christian-mccaffrey-trade/amp/

 

I gotta be honest, I really like this. We all know the Carolina pipeline is real and with Beane there helping to draft him and Dorsey in Carolina his rookie year this gets even more realistic.

 

The proposal (by Spotrac) is to trade Beasley and a 3rd & 5th round pick for McCaffery as he takes the role he's theoretically better suited for as a slot WR. Of course he'd be able to play more of the hybrid WR/RB role that kinda took over the league last year and we know he'd be effective if he can stay healthy... and we all know that's a big if.

 

And as for what we could afford, it'd basically be an even trade in terms of what we owe Beas and what we'd owe McCaffery.

 

I completely acknowledge this would be a gamble because the guy just can't stay healthy, but turning him into a slot WR has gotta help with that a bit. The best ability is availability and McCaffery has been unavailable so much, but I actually this might be the reason the Panthers would be willing to part with him. And when he is on the field, he's one of the best players in the NFL.

 

I know we have a thread asking about players that might push us over the hump and I was gonna put this in there, but I think this very specific proposal for this player would be intriguing. I like this idea better than trading for Saquan as RB1.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

For corn's sake, and then have to put up with another Sherlock Holmes bromance?!

[mushypeaches]

Yes, let's trade for an often injured running back making 15M+ to play slot receiver.  That'll put us over the top

 

I love the off-season

[klos63]

Lot of money for a slot receiver.  How much slot has he played in his career?

Edited February 22, 2022 by klos63

[Alphadawg7]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see either Barkley or EMC in a Bills uniform next season.  Given our connection to both teams/front offices, the trade lines here are there for something to happen.  I think both guys could benefit from a change of scenery and better training facilities.  

 

In terms of health issues, EMC is more concerning.  I would be less concerned about Barkley health issues, as EMC seems to have a lot of soft tissue issues which can be more chronic.  Barkley were a couple bad breaks more than something that seems chronic.  

 

But I think either of these guys are potential candidates to land here in trade in this offseason.  Not saying its a sure thing, but I think its possible Beane at least checks in on both these guys availability.  

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

Yes, let's trade for an often injured running back making 15M+ to play slot receiver.  That'll put us over the top

 

I love the off-season

 

13 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Lot of money for a slot receiver.  How much slot has he played in his career?

 

I dont think you guys read the article.  His cap hit is almost a wash with Beasley in trade according to the article.  Says he has $8.1M cap hit and Beasley in trade clears over $7M in space.  

[warrior9]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It honestly wouldn't surprise me to see either Barkley or EMC in a Bills uniform next season.  Given our connection to both teams/front offices, the trade lines here are there for something to happen.  I think both guys could benefit from a change of scenery and better training facilities.  

 

In terms of health issues, EMC is more concerning.  I would be less concerned about Barkley health issues, as EMC seems to have a lot of soft tissue issues which can be more chronic.  Barkley were a couple bad breaks more than something that seems chronic.  

 

But I think either of these guys are potential candidates to land here in trade in this offseason.  Not saying its a sure thing, but I think its possible Beane at least checks in on both these guys availability.  

I want nothing to do with Barkley. He is abysmal. If you've never watched a Giants game, you wouldn't understand and you'd want him because of his pedigree.

 

He does not put his head down and hit the hole. For as gigantic as he is, he runs like he's afraid of contact. He bounces every chance he gets and will never grind out a 1 or 2 yard gain. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Jesus Christ

[JoPoy88]

Trade multiple assets for an expensive player and then only use part of his talent set. Yes sounds like a great idea. 🙄

[mushypeaches]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I dont think you guys read the article.  His cap hit is almost a wash with Beasley in trade according to the article.  Says he has $8.1M cap hit and Beasley in trade clears over $7M in space.  

 

I don't need to read some speculative off-season article to decide that trading for Christian McCaffrey is a really bad idea.  His best football is already behind him and you don't trade for that paycheck, no matter what

17 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Jesus Christ

 

That says it all about another brilliant off-season idea

[JaCrispy]

18 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

I want nothing to do with Barkley. He is abysmal. If you've never watched a Giants game, you wouldn't understand and you'd want him because of his pedigree.

 

He does not put his head down and hit the hole. For as gigantic as he is, he runs like he's afraid of contact. He bounces every chance he gets and will never grind out a 1 or 2 yard gain. 

I have a friend who’s a big Giants fan- and everything you just said is exactly what he told me...

[Simon Says]

45 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

Yes, let's trade for an often injured running back making 15M+ to play slot receiver.  That'll put us over the top

 

I love the off-season

He won't be making 15 million in 2022. Bills would take on about 8.5 million salary but Carolina is on the hook for the prorated signing bonus

[klos63]

29 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I dont think you guys read the article.  His cap hit is almost a wash with Beasley in trade according to the article.  Says he has $8.1M cap hit and Beasley in trade clears over $7M in space.  

His cap hit is $14 million next year, then in 2023 he can opt out, according to Spotrac.

1 minute ago, Georgie said:

He won't be making 15 million in 2022. Bills would take on about 8.5 million salary but Carolina is on the hook for the prorated signing bonus

ok, i didn't know that is how the signing bonus works.

[BearNorth]

Many Long Years ago, isn't this what the "WFT" did with Bobby Mitchell? turned a decent running back into a hall of fame receiver?

[JoPoy88]

53 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Lot of money for a slot receiver.  How much slot has he played in his career?

found the last couple of years at least:

 

“McCaffrey lined up in the slot 16 of 429 snaps in 2019 under then-coach Ron Rivera, according to ESPN Stats & Information. In his first season under Rhule and Brady in 2020, McCaffrey lined up there twice on 78 snaps.

He lined up in the slot only once in 141 snaps this season. He lined up in the backfield 135 times in 2021, as opposed to wide receiver three times, Wildcat quarterback twice and slot once.”

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/carolina-panthers-intention-trading-christian-mccaffrey-gm-scott/story%3Fid%3D82185937

 

edit: 56 snaps from slot in ‘18, over 100 in ‘17. So he’s done it early in his career at a pretty decent volume.

Edited February 22, 2022 by JoPoy88

[ToGoGo]

45 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

I dont think you guys read the article.  His cap hit is almost a wash with Beasley in trade according to the article.  Says he has $8.1M cap hit and Beasley in trade clears over $7M in space.  

 

Fans act like an All-Pro player is the worst garbage in the world after a down year or injury. They get off on it. 

 

I'd be mad, but people like this are the reason you can make money on the stock market betting against public opinion. 

[Success]

I mean, this would be an incredible move.  I don't know why it's getting some derision.

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

The entire scenario is utterly ridiculous.  The Panthers aren't going to give away their best player for almost nothing, nor are the Bills in the position to commit that much cap space.

[wppete]

Would like to see both of them on the Bills next year. Beasley at Slot and Mccafrey at RB.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

Yes, let's trade for an often injured running back making 15M+ to play slot receiver.  That'll put us over the top

 

He'd be less than a $7M cap hit this upcoming season. And it's funny because I know you're attempting to be sarcastic with the rest of what you're saying... but you aren't pulling it off very well.

 

Yes McCaffery is an often injured running back... because he's not built to be an every down RB.

 

Making him a hybrid RB/slot WR makes a ton of sense and saves him from a lot of big hits.

 

I hope you can at least acknowledge that when he's on the field and healthy he's one of the best weapons in the NFL. Beasley's contract would make it almost an even exchange. 

 

Would you trade McCaffery for Beasley straight up? That's kinda a rhetorical question because you'd be a moron if you wouldn't... so how much extra draft capital becomes acceptable?

[Augie]

I’d like to see younger, cheaper and better players the Bills found thru the draft. Chasing Big Names with big contracts is rarely the best path, IMO. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I mean, this would be an incredible move.  I don't know why it's getting some derision.

 

Because he has a proven track record of being injured. They guy can't stay healthy. What makes you think he will with the Bills? If you want a quality guy for mayne a half season then I get it. He should be nicknamed McGlass...

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Because he has a proven track record of being injured. They guy can't stay healthy. What makes you think he will with the Bills? If you want a quality guy for mayne a half season then I get it. He should be nicknamed McGlass...

But the Bills have the best training facilities. 😁😁

[transplantbillsfan]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

I’d like to see younger, cheaper and better players the Bills found thru the draft. Chasing Big Names with big contracts is rarely the best path, IMO. 

 

McCaffery is 25 years old. He's younger than Joe Burrow. He's also an even swap in terms of CAP hit if we traded Beasley. 

 

There's risk involved, but McCaffery basically had to shoulder the whole Panther team and he's just not built for it. In Buffalo he'd be playing with an Elite playmaker at QB and an Elite WR and could be a complimentary but dangerous weapon on our offense. 

 

I will be okay with what Beane does, but where is our guaranteed playmaker on the field in the draft? That's exactly what McCaffery is if he's healthy and on the field.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

McCaffery is 25 years old. He's younger than Joe Burrow. He's also an even swap in terms of CAP hit if we traded Beasley. 

 

There's risk involved, but McCaffery basically had to shoulder the whole Panther team and he's just not built for it. In Buffalo he'd be playing with an Elite playmaker at QB and an Elite WR and could be a complimentary but dangerous weapon on our offense. 

 

I will be okay with what Beane does, but where is our guaranteed playmaker on the field in the draft? That's exactly what McCaffery is if he's healthy and on the field.

 

He will be 26 next year, but that’s not my issue. I’m not paying that much for a slot receiver with his injury history. People always want “Big Names”.  I want the NEXT big name, at a discount. Some guy I’ve never heard of, but a guy our scouts are smart enough to identify. THAT is how you get ahead! 

 

One of the best things about a first round pick is that they are cheap for 4-5 years. I don’t want to trade that for an injury plagued guy who is already expensive. 

 

Sure, he’s a great player when available. I just don’t like the cost that goes with the risk. JMO.

 

 

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Edited February 22, 2022 by Augie

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

McCaffery is 25 years old. He's younger than Joe Burrow. He's also an even swap in terms of CAP hit if we traded Beasley. 

 

There's risk involved, but McCaffery basically had to shoulder the whole Panther team and he's just not built for it. In Buffalo he'd be playing with an Elite playmaker at QB and an Elite WR and could be a complimentary but dangerous weapon on our offense. 

 

I will be okay with what Beane does, but where is our guaranteed playmaker on the field in the draft? That's exactly what McCaffery is if he's healthy and on the field.

Big "if" I must say. His track record clearly indicates he cannot stay healthy. I don't buy you argument on how he would stay healthy on the Bills team. Conversely, I don't buy that he got hurt in Carolina because he was over used. Are you suggesting he gets like 10 touches a game? The guy is like peanut brittle. Hard pass for me. 

[BuffaloRebound]

If the price is Beasley plus a 3rd and a 5th, I make that deal.  Bills would owe $8.6m in year 1 and none of the money is guaranteed.  Worth the risk in my opinion.  

[transplantbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Big "if" I must say. His track record clearly indicates he cannot stay healthy. I don't buy you argument on how he would stay healthy on the Bills team. Conversely, I don't buy that he got hurt in Carolina because he was over used. Are you suggesting he gets like 10 touches a game? The guy is like peanut brittle. Hard pass for me. 

 

So you're okay keeping a slot WR who's turned into peanut brittle at his age rather than exchanging him for a much younger but much more dynamic weapon?

 

And hell... why not 10 touches a game? That's more than what Beasley gets? It's more than what Diggs, Davis or Knox gets, too.

 

I went back and looked and had to double check, but McCaffery was injury free his first 3 years in the NFL and only actually got the injury bug the last 2 years, unlike a guy like Saquan Barkley or Dalvin Cook who are injured every year.

 

Yes, this would be a bit of a roll of the dice, but given our strapped Cap, we might find it worthwhile gambling on an Elite 25 year old NFL talent.

[Success]

35 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Because he has a proven track record of being injured. They guy can't stay healthy. What makes you think he will with the Bills? If you want a quality guy for mayne a half season then I get it. He should be nicknamed McGlass...

 

Players are injury prone, until they're not.

 

What I always ask myself is, "What if KC or one of our division rivals made this move?"

 

It would be very concerning. And the reaction around the league if the Bills did it would be a collective groan (from non-Bills fans, of course).

 

[ProcessTruster]

hey it's "lets go get shiny objects" time!  Thought I'd have a few more days before having to s--t all over this kind of garbage.  Guess the season is early this year. 

 

No.  

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

The entire scenario is utterly ridiculous.  The Panthers aren't going to give away their best player for almost nothing, nor are the Bills in the position to commit that much cap space.

 

Read the article... this proposal was by a guy who gets paid to examine NFL contracts not some Joe Schmo or some Florida Bills Fanatic.

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Would like to see both of them on the Bills next year. Beasley at Slot and Mccafrey at RB.

 

Don't know if this is a joke, but it would require a trade.

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Because he has a proven track record of being injured. They guy can't stay healthy. What makes you think he will with the Bills? If you want a quality guy for mayne a half season then I get it. He should be nicknamed McGlass...

 

He was healthy and uninjured 3 out of his 5 years in the NFL

Edited February 22, 2022 by transplantbillsfan

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, Success said:

I mean, this would be an incredible move.  I don't know why it's getting some derision.

 

I don’t have a problem bringing him in, the money can be balanced out and he is an elite talent when healthy. I just don’t want to then limit his utility by turning him into a strict slot guy. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I think people are underestimating CMC’s trade value. Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th? We going to throw in Cody Ford while we are at it? 
 

If they move CMC, he will probably net Carolina a 1st round pick and he would probably agree to restructure to make the deal work. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Jesus Christ

 

3 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

That says it all about another brilliant off-season idea

Think He would sign? 🤔

WWJD?

[transplantbillsfan]

54 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He will be 26 next year, but that’s not my issue. I’m not paying that much for a slot receiver with his injury history. People always want “Big Names”.  I want the NEXT big name, at a discount. Some guy I’ve never heard of, but a guy our scouts are smart enough to identify. THAT is how you get ahead! 

 

Sure, he’s a great player when available. I just don’t like the cost that goes with the risk. JMO.

 

Why can't we get the next Superstar AND McCaffery? It's not like we don't have 9 draft picks and potentially 1 or 2 compensatory picks coming. 

 

Beane and his scouting department can still find the next superstar in the mid to later rounds (Kamara, AB, Tyreek Hill, Diggs, etc.) while acquiring an established superstar... when healthy.

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Why can't we get the next Superstar AND McCaffery? It's not like we don't have 9 draft picks and potentially 1 or 2 compensatory picks coming. 

 

Beane and his scouting department can still find the next superstar in the mid to later rounds (Kamara, AB, Tyreek Hill, Diggs, etc.) while acquiring an established superstar... when healthy.

 

Sure, swing for the fences, but don’t pay thru the nose for a a “big name” with a well known injury history. 

 

Step back, look at the big picture. I’d prefer Gabe Davis over McCaffrey going forward, especially given the cap expense. Get the next Gabe with the draft picks you saved. Use the savings for guys we need to keep. 

 

I don’t like the idea of shopping for bling. I like nuts and bolts. 

[BuffaloRebound]

7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think people are underestimating CMC’s trade value. Beasley, a 3rd, and a 5th? We going to throw in Cody Ford while we are at it? 
 

If they move CMC, he will probably net Carolina a 1st round pick and he would probably agree to restructure to make the deal work. 

Beasley has more value to a team without an established QB.  It’s hard getting quality free agent WR’s to play for a Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones without significantly over-paying.  And Beasley can still be a young QB’s best friend.  I think he has more trade value than people think.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

26 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Beasley has more value to a team without an established QB.  It’s hard getting quality free agent WR’s to play for a Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones without significantly over-paying.  And Beasley can still be a young QB’s best friend.  I think he has more trade value than people think.  

I think that makes some sense. But Beasley is 33, been hobbled, and is on the last year of his contract. Just sort of seems like an odd asset for the Panthers in their current situation. 

[Richard Noggin]

The proposed trade seems like a moderate risk, high reward move. 

 

I don't think Beasley coming back at his price makes any sense, but I do think exchanging him for CMC at roughly the same price (minus a couple draft assets) is at least worth consideration. People laughing off this proposal must be reacting emotionally. 

[njbuff]

The Bills could just re-sign McKenzie.

Problem solved.