Matt “frat” Stafford.

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Actually, in video, he can be seen looking shocked for a second, says "oh God", then turns around. That was his reaction. You probably still think it's not a good look, but he didn't immediately just turn around without showing concern. Even if it was only an iota. 

 

Maybe, but I saw it more as a "Oh *****, I don't want to be involved and let me just look away".

 

[ddaryl]

8 minutes ago, JimmyNoodles said:

I hate to "jump" in here because this conversation seems to be heating up.  My first thought was that his reaction was pretty cold and I think it's hard to argue that it's not.  After reading some comments, I was comtemplating why he might react like that.  I wondered if he's been conditioned to move away from situations (because of his celebrity) where he could somehow be blamed for something going wrong...you know, just distance himself form the whole thing.  

Bar room fight yes... A crowd of unruly people... yes....  But this one was a very strange reaction IMO.....   

If Matt was conditioned for self preservation in this particular situation then it is still sad.... 

Just think of how many people would be singing his praises if his initial reaction was more drop  everything and make sure she was ok.

Edited February 17, 2022 by ddaryl

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Magox said:

 

Maybe, but I saw it more as a "Oh *****, I don't want to be involved and let me just look away".

 

Yeah that's kinda how it came off to me also. In any case I'm not going to speculate because I don't know what went on after the video stopped. Maybe he came back? Or maybe he went on doing what he was doing. I'd like to think he came back considering his wife was helping.?

[Jauronimo]

30 minutes ago, muppy said:

who Nelly lol talk about a tempest in a teapot. The fact Mr Stafford looked elsewhere after seeing something in what many peoples eyes was a bad fall....virtue signaling we who see things differently are more virtuous? My reply to that is we are clearly less DRUNK than  he was at the time..or if not damn he really DGAF about human beings possibly injuring themselves right there in front of him. To me that is not a judgment on our virtue any more than the propensity to rubber neck a bad freeway accident makes us virtuous or unvirtuous. To not seemingly give a single **** if he was in his right mind is NOT a usual human response virtuous or not. If he'd have laughed I'd have understood that as he taking it as somewhat  slapstick not realizing the potential harm possibly involved. I'd like to hear his reaction today while sober and leave it at That. His reacton really mans squat as far as the woman who fells well being. It was just a Odd reaction on his part for most I think.

 

 

His reaction to the situation looks strange at best and cold at worst but I think its silly to read anything more into it.  Had Stafford "rubber necked" and gawked at the injured woman, it would probably be seen as a sign of compassion and I doubt a thread ever starts. Morbid curiosity like gawking could easily be mistaken as empathy.  Similarly, a reflex triggering disgust in that situation could look like a cold response. I've witnessed plenty of people turn away from compound fractures.  

 

This thread exists purely as a judgement based on a 5 second clip where people assume to know what he was thinking and his level of care.  I find humor in the idea that morality could be defined as taking 2 steps forward instead of 5 steps back and the number of seconds waited before sipping water.  Obviously, that is an absurd way to judge a person's character but that is all the information we have to go on so that is what is truly being debated here.  I find even more humor in this argument since both actions, stare and express concern facially or walk away, are equally meaningless to the outcome.  We could start a whole new chapter of etiquette "How to Properly do Absolutely Nothing in an Emergency Situation".

 

The "frat" descriptor in the title and some of the reactions make it obvious that some people have a vested personal interest in painting Stafford as a bad guy and that interests me.  Schadenfreude aimed at a person who has no controversial past that I'm aware of is always fascinating.  Some people just like to see the privileged fall, or in this case, walk away from a fall.  Playing devils advocate and parody about virtue signaling and the other stuff is just me having fun with this thread.  

Edited February 17, 2022 by Jauronimo

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Its only a story because outrage culture loves this kinda thing.  It makes all sorts of unremarkable people swell with pride.

 

 

I haven't read the whole thread yet but my guess is @eball went from 6 to midnight when he opened this thread.

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Lord knows that I have done plenty of things in my past when I have been inebriated that I've been embarrassed about.   Personally, I'm just going to chalk this up to him being hammered and Stafford just having a bad moment.

 

 

 

 

 

So exactly what I said in my original post. Welcome aboard.

[Dablitzkrieg]

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So exactly what I said in my original post. Welcome aboard.

That’s not what you said, but ok.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's my take.  His wife, who has experience as a nurse is right there.  Why would any of you get involved when a professional is right next to you & you have no qualifications to help the person?  Here's another thing, if Stafford, completely unqualified (and possibly drunk) so much as touches her & something goes wrong in the future, she'll sue him for millions.  I've seen stories where someone stops to help out in an accident, moves the victim the wrong way and the good samaritan gets sued.  Now imagine if you're a millionaire like Stafford.  are you going to risk a future lawsuit when there are much more qualified people around to aid & assist the victim?  

He's probably been told before this that if something happens near him and there are more qualified people to assist someone, get as far away as you can & avoid any possible lawsuit.  People like us just don't think about getting sued for being a good samaritan because we have nothing to lose.  A rich and famous person is a lawsuit waiting to happen every day.  

 

 

 

wtf, is this for real??  "get as far away as you can"??  no--no one has needed to say such a ridiculous thing to him.   No one expects him to provide any kind of first aid so I have no idea what you are talking about as far as "a lawsuit waiting to happen".  He can't be sued for jumping down and saying, "hey are you ok?  someone call 911".  He has zero exposure. 

 

.Also, his wife is not much "more qualified" than a lay person to tend to a fall victim.  She would do what any normal person would do: ask if the person was ok and call for first responders.

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

He can't be sued for jumping down and saying, "hey are you ok?  someone call 911".  He has zero exposure.

Yeah really...Lol was wondering why the lawsuit talk came about....

[Albany,n.y.]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

wtf, is this for real??  "get as far away as you can"??  no--no one has needed to say such a ridiculous thing to him.   No one expects him to provide any kind of first aid so I have no idea what you are talking about as far as "a lawsuit waiting to happen".  He can't be sued for jumping down and saying, "hey are you ok?  someone call 911".  He has zero exposure. 

 

.Also, his wife is not much "more qualified" than a lay person to tend to a fall victim.  She would do what any normal person would do: ask if the person was ok and call for first responders.

His wife is an experienced nurse, of course she is more qualified than most of the other people on the scene.  You obviously don't know that otherwise your statement makes no sense. 

Is your response for real?  Have you never heard of lawsuits against just about anyone with money?  If you have you wouldn't have no idea what I'm talking about.  Go and look up how many times a celebrity has been sued just for being somewhere where something happened.  Go and look up the times a person came upon a scene, tried to help a victim & got sued.   

[Patrick Duffy]

9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

His wife is an experienced nurse, of course she is more qualified than most of the other people on the scene.  You obviously don't know that otherwise your statement makes no sense. 

Is your response for real?  Have you never heard of lawsuits against just about anyone with money?  If you have you wouldn't have no idea what I'm talking about.  Go and look up how many times a celebrity has been sued just for being somewhere where something happened.  Go and look up the times a person came upon a scene, tried to help a victim & got sued.   

 

Yeah that's true, pretty much can sue anyone for anything unfortunately...with that said though, it's really hard for me to see him being sued for simply asking her if she's okay.

 

I mean he didn't make her fall and in this scenario he would not even lay a finger on her. Just simply hopping down there and ask her if she's hurt or not.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Albany,n.y.]

8 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

 

Yeah that's true, pretty much can sue anyone for anything unfortunately...with that said though, it's really hard for me to see him being sued for simply asking her if she's okay.

 

I mean he didn't make her fall and in this scenario he would not even lay a finger on her. Just simply hopping down there and ask her if she's hurt or not.

We don't know what he did or said afterwards.  All we've seen is a clip when she 1st fell.  I was just trying to give a reason why a rich celebrity might not want to get physically involved.  Maybe his wife, a health care professional, did go down.  We just don't know.  If he was drunk, he might have been afraid of falling & got away from the edge of the stage to what would be considered a safer place.  Unless we get the whole story, we are just speculating.   The only thing we know for sure is his wife is much more qualified than him to do something after the woman fell.  

 

I also know that if I'm impaired, for whatever reason, & someone near me falls off the edge of something, I'm getting away from that edge before I become the next one to fall.  

Edited February 17, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We don't know what he did or said afterwards.  All we've seen is a clip when she 1st fell.  I was just trying to give a reason why a rich celebrity might not want to get physically involved.  Maybe his wife, a health care professional, did go down.  We just don't know.  If he was drunk, he might have been afraid of falling & got away from the edge of the stage to what would be considered a safer place.  Unless we get the whole story, we are just speculating.   The only thing we know for sure is his wife is much more qualified than him to do something after the woman fell.  

 

I also know that if I'm impaired, for whatever reason, & someone near me falls off the edge of something, I'm getting away from that edge before I become the next one to fall.  

 

That's for sure, we don't know nothing at that point, although that's a different cup of worms but I get it and agree. However, I was only talking about in a scenario where "if he did only hop down and ask if she was okay" and nothing more.

 

Sorry for the confusion...

[ndirish1978]

 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Hate to wonder if doing it due to the video of him

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

What were his facial expressions when this was announced?  How long after the announcement did he wait to drink or eat?

[RaoulDuke79]

6 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

All is right with the world.....personally I think it took too long and he should have announced his intentions as she was falling to the earth.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Money to the rescue!

[YoloinOhio]

apparently the go fund me was almost at 43k

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What were his facial expressions when this was announced?  How long after the announcement did he wait to drink or eat?

 

Lol, maybe the "hangover and forgot what happened" look. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

It's a bad look for stafford, but when I saw she started a GoFundMe within 3 hours of breaking her spine, I no longer felt sorry for her.

I too look down upon those who can’t afford their medical bills

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Process said:

What bills? She had the page up probably before she even got to the hospital lol. How about worrying about your health/surgery whatever before you start begging for money? And then starting the GoFundMe...when youve actually received a bill.

 

Plus it was obvious the second the video started circulating and the backlash started that someone from the organization was going to help out.

Relying on the magnanimity of Stan Kronke is always your best bet

[Mr. WEO]

59 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

His wife is an experienced nurse, of course she is more qualified than most of the other people on the scene.  You obviously don't know that otherwise your statement makes no sense. 

Is your response for real?  Have you never heard of lawsuits against just about anyone with money?  If you have you wouldn't have no idea what I'm talking about.  Go and look up how many times a celebrity has been sued just for being somewhere where something happened.  Go and look up the times a person came upon a scene, tried to help a victim & got sued.   

 

Yes!  I have no idea what I am talking about....lol. 

 

But as an experienced nurse, she would have done nothing but call EMS.  Which any lay person could/would also due.  The fall victim was not in cardiac arrest.  You're making no sense at this point. 

 

Anyway, I googled "how many times a celebrity has been sued just for being somewhere where something happened" and found nothing you are describing.

 

Then I googled "times a person came upon a scene, tried to help a victim & got sued"...amazingly, still nothing!

 

It did link to https://www.enjuris.com/blog/questions/frivolous-lawsuits/

 

No lawyer is going to file a suit over a guy calling 911 and saying "are you OK?".  so stop with that, lol.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

What were his facial expressions when this was announced?  How long after the announcement did he wait to drink or eat?

 

I believe he never stopped drinking.

[HappyDays]

44 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

 

Correction - Matthew Stafford's publicist announced they will be covering the medial expenses for Kelly Smiley.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Process said:

It's a bad look for stafford, but when I saw she started a GoFundMe within 3 hours of breaking her spine, I no longer felt sorry for her.

 

What is the appropriate elapsed time between sustaining an injury and realizing that one will need help with the bills?

 

If she was taken directly to hospital, she (or a relative) probably had a diagnosis and some understanding of what her recovery timeline would be within 2-3 hrs (and knew her camera equipment was busted and she wouldn't be able to work for several months)

 

PS: Looks like it was a friend who started the GoFundMe.  And the top donor is "Pat McAfee Inc" with $5k

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I too look down upon those who can’t afford their medical bills

Lol, I know you're being sarcastic, but that would be a majority of the country to look down upon LOL

[RaoulDuke79]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I too look down upon those who can’t afford their medical bills

Seems like a workers comp claim. Shouldn't be any out-of pocket expense unless she freelancing. 

[Returntoglory]

He should be ashamed of himself! My God. 

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Seems like a workers comp claim. Shouldn't be any out-of pocket expense unless she freelancing. 

If I had a nickel for every old fall backwards off the Super Bowl parade stage taking photos get rich quick scheme I swear to God

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

The fuh is he supposed to do here?

 

 

 

What people who take first aid/CPR are trained to do is to make sure the scene is safe and then call for help. Look around wave, point, get on your phone, try to do something to bring attention to the accident victim. Do you think walking away is an appropriate response?

 

10 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Did he not check on her?

 

Let me ask you this... if Matt Stafford went down there to show care and concern (even standing close by) don't you think there would be photo and written documentation of this?

 

Here's another question for you: If you were a betting person, would you bet that Matt Stafford went down from the stage to see if the photographer was alright or would you bet that he didn't?

 

Here's another thing no one has mentioned which is really more damning on Matt Stafford: Matt Stafford's wife asked the photographer, Kelly Smiley to take a photograph of her and Matt. As they were starting to pose for the photo and as the photographer was trying to properly frame the picture, she fell off the stage. At the moment she fell she was trying to perform a service for the Staffords.

 

It's not like she was taking a picture of migrating geese overhead.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Sierra Foothills

[Riverboat Ritchie]

6 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 

His reaction to the situation looks strange at best and cold at worst but I think its silly to read anything more into it.  Had Stafford "rubber necked" and gawked at the injured woman, it would probably be seen as a sign of compassion and I doubt a thread ever starts. Morbid curiosity like gawking could easily be mistaken as empathy.  Similarly, a reflex triggering disgust in that situation could look like a cold response. I've witnessed plenty of people turn away from compound fractures.  

 

This thread exists purely as a judgement based on a 5 second clip where people assume to know what he was thinking and his level of care.  I find humor in the idea that morality could be defined as taking 2 steps forward instead of 5 steps back and the number of seconds waited before sipping water.  Obviously, that is an absurd way to judge a person's character but that is all the information we have to go on so that is what is truly being debated here.  I find even more humor in this argument since both actions, stare and express concern facially or walk away, are equally meaningless to the outcome.  We could start a whole new chapter of etiquette "How to Properly do Absolutely Nothing in an Emergency Situation".

 

The "frat" descriptor in the title and some of the reactions make it obvious that some people have a vested personal interest in painting Stafford as a bad guy and that interests me.  Schadenfreude aimed at a person who has no controversial past that I'm aware of is always fascinating.  Some people just like to see the privileged fall, or in this case, walk away from a fall.  Playing devils advocate and parody about virtue signaling and the other stuff is just me having fun with this thread.  

lol. The irony of passing judgment on people watching that video and observing that it was jacked up as somehow them being judgmental whackos while writing half a novel on your judgments of said people is rich. Go Bills. 

[Augie]

I have to come clean here. When I first saw that clip, I misunderstood what was happening and why. I posted (since deleted) based upon what I thought I saw. 

 

I had no idea that she belonged there, or that she had been so seriously injured. (I’m not sure if the extent of her injury was known at the time.) It’s certainly a bad look for him, but I think his wife (?) appeared sufficiently horrified.

 

I hope nobody judges me by my worst moments. That would not be pretty. I won’t do that to him. Tequila makes for strange events! You don’t win your first SB very often in life.

 

 Hope she gets well soon with no long term downside. 

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

Here's another thing no one has mentioned which is really more damning on Matt Stafford: Matt Stafford's wife asked the photographer, Kelly Smiley to take a photograph of her and Matt. As they were starting to pose for the photo and as the photographer was trying to properly frame the picture, she fell off the stage. At the moment she fell she was trying to perform a service for the Staffords.

If so one would think Matt or his wife would warn her that she's too close to edge....I mean since if they were posing they would have been looking directly at the photographer and all.....

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

If so one would think Matt or his wife would warn her that she's too close to edge....I mean since if they were posing they would have been looking directly at the photographer and all.....

 

If you watch the video they're preoccupied with preparing themselves for the photo and not yet paying attention to the photog.

 

It also bears mentioning that the photog showed very poor spatial awareness. A large component to personal safety is personal responsibility...I'm a bit amazed at how oblivious she was to standing at the brink of a potentially catastrophic fall.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

If you watch the video they're preoccupied with preparing themselves for the photo and not yet paying attention to the photog.

 

It also bears mentioning that the photog showed very poor spatial awareness. A large component to personal safety is personal responsibility...I'm a bit amazed at how oblivious she was to standing at the brink of a potentially catastrophic fall.

Maybe she was hitting the tequila a bit hard also? 

[RaoulDuke79]

10 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The Staffords asked her to take their picture. She falls off stage framing the shot, fracturing her spine. Stafford just walks away to get another drink not even bothering to see what happened to her. She could of died or been paralyzed and he obviously did not give a *****.  

  What an #######, there's absolutely no other excuse. A total piece of ***** human being. 

I think there's a bit of speculation going on here.

[Nelius]

"Frat" Matt Stafford is redundant and doesn't roll off the tongue well. The correct nickname is simply Frat Stafford.

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes!  I have no idea what I am talking about....lol. 

 

But as an experienced nurse, she would have done nothing but call EMS.  Which any lay person could/would also due.  The fall victim was not in cardiac arrest.  You're making no sense at this point. 

 

Anyway, I googled "how many times a celebrity has been sued just for being somewhere where something happened" and found nothing you are describing.

 

Then I googled "times a person came upon a scene, tried to help a victim & got sued"...amazingly, still nothing!

 

It did link to https://www.enjuris.com/blog/questions/frivolous-lawsuits/

 

No lawyer is going to file a suit over a guy calling 911 and saying "are you OK?".  so stop with that, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess you have a different Google search engine than I do:

https://www.vulture.com/2021/12/travis-scott-lawsuits-victims-families.html

 https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=14

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-me-good-samaritan19-story.html

https://www.mcdivittlaw.com/blog/can-sued-helping-accident-victim

https://cmplawgroup.com/blog/californias-good-samaritan-law-in-2019-can-you-be-sued-for-helping-a-car-accident-victim-and-aggravating-their-injury/

https://lawteam.com/florida-good-samaritan-law/

 

I'll stop pasting, I think I've made my point with the links above.  

Edited February 18, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I guess you have a different Google search engine than I do:

https://www.vulture.com/2021/12/travis-scott-lawsuits-victims-families.html

 https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=6498405&page=14

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-dec-19-me-good-samaritan19-story.html

https://www.mcdivittlaw.com/blog/can-sued-helping-accident-victim

https://cmplawgroup.com/blog/californias-good-samaritan-law-in-2019-can-you-be-sued-for-helping-a-car-accident-victim-and-aggravating-their-injury/

https://lawteam.com/florida-good-samaritan-law/

 

I'll stop pasting, I think I've made my point with the links above.  

 

hmmmm...where to start?

 

The Travis Scott lawsuit is obviously unrelated as he is being sued for putting on  a production that had a litany of security problems AND he continued to perform while fans were being crushed to death and the staff was aware.  None of this in any way applies to the Stafford scenario.

 

And several of your other links refer to the same famous nonmedical Good Sam case in Cali.  The last one you cited on it says this:

 

"After the infamous car accident involving a good Samaritan in 2008, California’s good Samaritan law changed once and for all. In its 2008 ruling, the California Supreme Court upheld that as long as a rescuer renders medical or nonmedical care or assistance at the scene of a car accident and does so in good faith, that person cannot be held liable for injuries or damages resulting from his or her actions.
Therefore, if you are represented by an experienced car accident attorney in Los Angeles, rendering medical or non-medical aid at the scene of a car crash cannot make you liable for the victim’s injuries."

 

You didn't read your links.

 

Anyway, nothing you posted has anything to do with the simple act of asking if the person who was injured was OK and calling 911.   So your insistence that even doing that little would expose Stafford to a lawsuit is mind-bendingly ridiculous.