According to some of these guys, it’s Allen‘s time to shine against Mahomes

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

20 hours ago, Warcodered said:

and we were worried there wouldn't be bulletin board material this week.

 

 

Keyshawn is a complete doofus.  I hope it was just schtick, but I've seen/heard enough from him, to know he is serious.  How he has a post-NFL career just amazes me.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, teef said:

on the opposite spectrum, david diehl on sirius was gushing about allen.  he couldn't get enough of the perfect game.  

Well everyone but basically keyshawn Johnson and Nick Wright are gushing about it…. I’m just dumbfounded somebody that’s been talking about the NFL over the last 2 years hasn’t figured out Allen is, at the very least, in tier 1 when it comes to talent. 
 

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Keyshawn is a complete doofus.  I hope it was just schtick, but I've seen/heard enough from him, to know he is serious.  How he has a post-NFL career just amazes me.

 

10 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Well everyone but basically keyshawn Johnson and Nick Wright are gushing about it…. I’m just dumbfounded somebody that’s been talking about the NFL over the last 2 years hasn’t figured out Allen is, at the very least, in tier 1 when it comes to talent. 
 

 

I actually like Keyshawn and enjoy listening to him.  I also do not understand his reluctance with regard to acknowledging that Allen is a top NFL QB.  I remember Golic having the same reluctance when it came to Mahomes.  It doesn't bother me, though.  Keyshawn calls it like he sees it and this is how he sees it.  To each his own, I guess.  I still like the guy.

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I actually like Keyshawn and enjoy listening to him.  I also do not understand his reluctance with regard to acknowledging that Allen is a top NFL QB.  I remember Golic having the same reluctance when it came to Mahomes.  It doesn't bother me, though.  Keyshawn calls it like he sees it and this is how he sees it.  To each his own, I guess.  I still like the guy.

Huh?????  Every time he opens his mouth stoopid stuff spews out.  

 

Want to hear his detailed reasoning in wanting Lamar over Allen.

 

Now let's remember Saturday was a "perfect" game and that won't happen weekly.  However there have been very few real bad games (and usually that is partially dues to the game plan, except Atlanta where Allen was a little off). 

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Huh?????  Every time he opens his mouth stoopid stuff spews out.  

 

Want to hear his detailed reasoning in wanting Lamar over Allen.

 

Now let's remember Saturday was a "perfect" game and that won't happen weekly.  However there have been very few real bad games (and usually that is partially dues to the game plan, except Atlanta where Allen was a little off). 

 

I'm not defending Keyshawn's evaluation of Allen.  I'm just saying that, generally speaking, I like Keyshawn and I enjoy listening to him.  I don't find any of what he says "stupid," even though I may not agree with everything.  I find him funny, entertaining, smart and knowledgeable.  A hell of a lot better than listening to Greenberg and/or Wingo - that's for sure.

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

 

I actually like Keyshawn and enjoy listening to him.  I also do not understand his reluctance with regard to acknowledging that Allen is a top NFL QB.  I remember Golic having the same reluctance when it came to Mahomes.  It doesn't bother me, though.  Keyshawn calls it like he sees it and this is how he sees it.  To each his own, I guess.  I still like the guy.

Or he fabricates dumb arguments like bringing up how Allen only beat Mac jones and conveniently leaving out the fact the chiefs beat up on the corpse of Big Ben. All while leaving out the caliber of defenses.... he says stupid s***. he can go pound sand. i personally think he's garbage.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm not defending Keyshawn's evaluation of Allen.  I'm just saying that, generally speaking, I like Keyshawn and I enjoy listening to him.  I don't find any of what he says "stupid," even though I may not agree with everything.  I find him funny, entertaining, smart and knowledgeable.  A hell of a lot better than listening to Greenberg and/or Wingo - that's for sure.

To each his own........ Smart & knowledgeable seems a stretch.....😜 

[Mat68]

Allen will never be accurate…

Allen wont win in the pocket….

Allen cant hit a deep ball…..

Allen will never be elite…..

Now Allen isnt consistent.  Meaning he isnt the most consistent qb in history.  I think the stats show he is just as consistent and prolific as Mahomes.  Allen has to be extra for him to get credit for it.

 

[ToGoGo]

12 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Allen will never be accurate…

Allen wont win in the pocket….

Allen cant hit a deep ball…..

Allen will never be elite…..

Now Allen isnt consistent.  Meaning he isnt the most consistent qb in history.  I think the stats show he is just as consistent and prolific as Mahomes.  Allen has to be extra for him to get credit for it.

 

 

You see it. 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Keyshawn is a complete doofus.  I hope it was just schtick, but I've seen/heard enough from him, to know he is serious.  How he has a post-NFL career just amazes me.

The guy is a tremendous dullard.  Got to spend some time with him at a fundraiser some years ago, and he did not impress.  

[bigduke6]

i find it interesting that Josh is inconsistent and Mahomes isnt when Patty spent the first half of the season.....being inconsistent.   sure hes back to his old ways now,  but nobody is playing better than Josh,  right now,  right here.

 

Chefs have lost to every team left in the playoffs from the AFC.   

 

their defense has gotten healthier and turned it around last half of the season,  but,   who did the Chefs play?   

                        Broncos,  win  - meh

                        Raiders,  destroyed them -  eh decent win i guess.

                        Chargers,  win, went to overtime - not exactly a blowout there

                        Steelers,  win,  blowout - meh

                        Bengals,  loss

                        Broncos,  close win - meh

 

Chefs D gave up 24+ points in 4 of those last 6 games.

not exactly world beaters.   

played 2 above average QBs that span of games,   lost one,  barely won the other game.

 

Chefs O is still top tier,  id argue that their D is middle of the pack

Bills O is just as explosive,  Bills D is top tier.

 

comes down to how the Refs call the game (ugh..) and which QB makes more plays.

 

57 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Or he fabricates dumb arguments like bringing up how Allen only beat Mac jones and conveniently leaving out the fact the chiefs beat up on the corpse of Big Ben. All while leaving out the caliber of defenses.... he says stupid s***. he can go pound sand. i personally think he's garbage.

ya Allen didnt play Mac Jones,  he played against the Pats D.    Keyshawn is an instant channel change for me.

[billieve420]

Love the disrespect from Michael Holley about the Bills not being that good. Funny how when the Pats beat the Bills in that wind storm game all the talk was about the Pats owning the division again. However, now the narrative is the Pats were not good to begin with.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I just heard Max Kellerman, on his ESPN radio show this morning, say Allen is just a notch below the superhuman guys “like Herbert and Mahomes”…

 

….. What in gods name has this man been watching? Living under a rock, I’m assuming? Football guys like Cossel, Simms, and Palmer are literally claiming this Allen might be the most physically gifted qb of all time and Kellerman thinks he’s physically still a cut below a couple of guys currently in the league, let alone all time…. Comical stuff. 

I get saying Allen is a notch below Mahomes - I would probably agree though I think the difference is getting smaller by the game.  But to say Allen is below Herbert is just plain crazy.  While I think Herbert is great QB who is going to be elite for the next decade he's clearly beneath Allen at this point.

 

 

[bigduke6]

55 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I get saying Allen is a notch below Mahomes - I would probably agree though I think the difference is getting smaller by the game.  But to say Allen is below Herbert is just plain crazy.  While I think Herbert is great QB who is going to be elite for the next decade he's clearly beneath Allen at this point.

 

 

u know whats the worst part about Keyshawn,  he played,  he should know better.   the things that come out of his mouth are indefensible imo.    i can watch a guy who never took a NFL snap look like a fool,  but a guy who was above average in the league saying the things he does on a regular basis is just.....smh.

 

Herbert is top ten,  in no way shape or form is he above Josh,  Kellerman is delusional.

Edited January 19, 2022 by bigduke6

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

What makes you think they'll "come up" with something?

 

There are some exceptions the untouchable thing though. Trent Dilfer. So maybe you're right.

 

Seems to me Josh is pretty well respected in the press.

 

He's more respected than he was, mostly because the media types don't want to look like complete fools. But they still come up with their reasons to mark Josh down. Check out this twitter exchange I had with (the real ) Kurt Warner. (Yes I was shocked too.)

 

 

So here's Kurt Warner, a guy who never misfired on a pass apparently, finding a new reason to lower Josh Allen's prestige because he misses "layups."  FYI that tweet was in response to this tweet/story by Ty Dunne.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

53 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He's more respected than he was, mostly because the media types don't want to look like complete fools. But they still come up with their reasons to mark Josh down. Check out this twitter exchange I had with (the real ) Kurt Warner. (Yes I was shocked too.)

 

 

So here's Kurt Warner, a guy who never misfired on a pass apparently, finding a new reason to lower Josh Allen's prestige because he misses "layups."  FYI that tweet was in response to this tweet/story by Ty Dunne.

 

 

What's frustrating is to read how wrong this Tyler Dunne guy got it.  He talks about how Allen struggled in the playoffs last year against Baltimore & KC.  First he didn't mention the masterful game Allen had against the Colts to win the first playoff game. Nor did he mention that the Baltimore game was played in a wind storm and Allen actually played well by the standards of playing under those conditions.  Only in the KC championship game did the situation seem to big for Allen and he didn't bring his A game. 

 

Funny though that last years AFC Championship game was in Allen's 3rd season and I don't remember anyone claiming that Allen's lack of experience contributed to his game.  Yet a couple of day's ago in Kyler Murray's 3rd season, it seems like everyone was blaming Murray's game on his lack of experience!  I mean Murray had one of the worst games in recent memory by a QB and it's all because he doesn't have a lot of playoff experience.

 

No matter what happens Sunday, and Allen might struggle, there is no doubt that Allen has arrived and is a top 5 elite level QB.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

i find it interesting that Josh is inconsistent and Mahomes isnt when Patty spent the first half of the season.....being inconsistent.   sure hes back to his old ways now,  but nobody is playing better than Josh,  right now,  right here.

 

Chefs have lost to every team left in the playoffs from the AFC.   

 

their defense has gotten healthier and turned it around last half of the season,  but,   who did the Chefs play?   

                        Broncos,  win  - meh

                        Raiders,  destroyed them -  eh decent win i guess.

                        Chargers,  win, went to overtime - not exactly a blowout there

                        Steelers,  win,  blowout - meh

                        Bengals,  loss

                        Broncos,  close win - meh

 

Chefs D gave up 24+ points in 4 of those last 6 games.

not exactly world beaters.   

played 2 above average QBs that span of games,   lost one,  barely won the other game.

 

Chefs O is still top tier,  id argue that their D is middle of the pack

Bills O is just as explosive,  Bills D is top tier.

 

comes down to how the Refs call the game (ugh..) and which QB makes more plays.

 

ya Allen didnt play Mac Jones,  he played against the Pats D.    Keyshawn is an instant channel change for me.

It’s against NFL gospel to criticize Mahomes. We don’t hear about his inconsistent play, turnovers earlier in the season. Instead we are told the defense has turned their season around. Perhaps the defense was put in bad spots when Mahomes was being a turnover machine? On a Betting show on 1520 radio the morning of the Pats playoff game, the talking heads said they had to take the Pats and the 4 points because Allen lost to the Jaguars 2 months ago! The bias in favor of Mahomes vs Allen is astounding. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Boatdrinks

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s against NFL gospel to criticize Mahomes. We don’t hear about his inconsistent play, turnovers earlier in the season. Instead we are told the defense has turned their season around. Perhaps the defense was put in bad spots when Mahomes was being a turnover machine? On a Betting show on 1520 radio the morning of the Pats playoff game, the talking heads said they had to take the Pats and the 4 points because Allen lost to the Jaguars 2 months ago! The bias in favor of Mahomes vs Allen is astounding. 

And I remember in the SB last year Mahomes threw for 400 yards and the defense let them down...😜

 

I like & cheer for Patrick, but he is Teflon, while the media waits to pounce on Allen.  

[starrymessenger]

Maybe Kurt Warner is reluctant to give Allen his due because Josh steals some of his thunder. Going from bagging groceries (or working on a farm) with total disinterest from the football world to elite status is supposed to be only Kurt’s story. I don’t want to believe that but I think it’s possible.

[Gugny]

7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Or he fabricates dumb arguments like bringing up how Allen only beat Mac jones and conveniently leaving out the fact the chiefs beat up on the corpse of Big Ben. All while leaving out the caliber of defenses.... he says stupid s***. he can go pound sand. i personally think he's garbage.

 

You and I see eye-to-eye on the vast majority of topics, but I guess we disagree about Keyshawn, LOL. No biggie!  But I DO agree with you that he is going out of his way to justify his stance on Josh.  I really don't get it.  

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He's more respected than he was, mostly because the media types don't want to look like complete fools. But they still come up with their reasons to mark Josh down. Check out this twitter exchange I had with (the real ) Kurt Warner. (Yes I was shocked too.)

 

 

So here's Kurt Warner, a guy who never misfired on a pass apparently, finding a new reason to lower Josh Allen's prestige because he misses "layups."  FYI that tweet was in response to this tweet/story by Ty Dunne.

 

 

 

OK.  Kurt said a lot of nice things about Josh's game too but just glom onto the "layups" thing.  

 

The bigger mystery to me is why any Bills fan would he so upset about this.  I don't pay attention to those people much.  Its obvious listening that a lot of them don't know what they're talking about anyway.  What I have heard in the last few years has been a lot of positive.

 

Contrast that to 2017 when covering the playoff match ups we were last. Then they snickered and chuckled about how were were gonna get killed. We lost by 7.

 

Think of it this way. People telling jocks they aren't good enough motivates them like nothing else.  They said we couldn't do it but we pulled together as a team and  blah blah blah. The Cheats*** in their 18-1 season even used it.  So maybe its a good thing

[PromoTheRobot]

13 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

OK.  Kurt said a lot of nice things about Josh's game too but just glom onto the "layups" thing.  

 

The bigger mystery to me is why any Bills fan would he so upset about this.  I don't pay attention to those people much.  Its obvious listening that a lot of them don't know what they're talking about anyway.  What I have heard in the last few years has been a lot of positive.

 

Contrast that to 2017 when covering the playoff match ups we were last. Then they snickered and chuckled about how were were gonna get killed. We lost by 7.

 

Think of it this way. People telling jocks they aren't good enough motivates them like nothing else.  They said we couldn't do it but we pulled together as a team and  blah blah blah. The Cheats*** in their 18-1 season even used it.  So maybe its a good thing

 

The point is the "Allen's good, but..." narrative that still persists. Do you ever hear anyone describe Mahomes that way? Allen has achieved enough in his career that no one should parse his success.

[starrymessenger]

32 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

OK.  Kurt said a lot of nice things about Josh's game too but just glom onto the "layups" thing.  

 

The bigger mystery to me is why any Bills fan would he so upset about this.  I don't pay attention to those people much.  Its obvious listening that a lot of them don't know what they're talking about anyway.  What I have heard in the last few years has been a lot of positive.

 

Contrast that to 2017 when covering the playoff match ups we were last. Then they snickered and chuckled about how were were gonna get killed. We lost by 7.

 

Think of it this way. People telling jocks they aren't good enough motivates them like nothing else.  They said we couldn't do it but we pulled together as a team and  blah blah blah. The Cheats*** in their 18-1 season even used it.  So maybe its a good thing

We’ll actually Kurt has always been slow to give Allen credit, though he’s finding it more difficult to do so.

But that’s nothing more than an empirical observation. Frankly I could care less. 

[CincyBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

The point is the "Allen's good, but..." narrative that still persists. Do you ever hear anyone describe Mahomes that way? Allen has achieved enough in his career that no one should parse his success.

I can excuse Mahomes here because he had such a terrific start to his career.  But I never hear the "Herbert's good, but..." narrative.  And I'm not sure why?

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

They love to move the goalposts when it comes to Josh.

 

Get used to it.....?😉

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I think Warner is waiting for Allen to win a SB, like a lot of Bills fans.

 

I take it a step further, I need to see the Bills win a SB before I behave any differently.

 

Fixed it for you. 

[starrymessenger]

23 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I think Warner is waiting for Allen to win a SB, like a lot of Bills fans.

 

I take it a step further, I need to see the Bills win a SB before I look at the franchise any differently.

TBH I look at the franchise a lot differently than I did during the drought. IMO it’s amongst the handful of better franchises top to bottom.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, starrymessenger said:

Maybe Kurt Warner is reluctant to give Allen his due because Josh steals some of his thunder. Going from bagging groceries (or working on a farm) with total disinterest from the football world to elite status is supposed to be only Kurt’s story. I don’t want to believe that but I think it’s possible.

 

There's very few talking heads in the NFL world that are going to truly give Allen and the Bills credit until they win a championship.

 

And that's also why most of these guys are pounding the Chiefs and Mahomes bandwagon again and the Bills resounding victory over the Patriots is a distant memory because of what the Chiefs and Mahomes did in their first playoff game. It's the 'the rest of the NFL better look out because the Chiefs of 2018 - 2020 are back' angle. But honestly can you really blame them?

[34-78-83]

6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

He's more respected than he was, mostly because the media types don't want to look like complete fools. But they still come up with their reasons to mark Josh down. Check out this twitter exchange I had with (the real ) Kurt Warner. (Yes I was shocked too.)

 

 

So here's Kurt Warner, a guy who never misfired on a pass apparently, finding a new reason to lower Josh Allen's prestige because he misses "layups."  FYI that tweet was in response to this tweet/story by Ty Dunne.

 

 

Weren't these from 1/12, before the NE game? Maybe you should do a follow up now

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

On 1/18/2022 at 12:19 PM, FilthyBeast said:

 

Chris Jones is a top 10 player in this league and the best DT in the NFL after Aaron Donald. He didn't play in that game and the last time he did play against the Bills he destroyed our oline twice, especially in the AFCCG.

 

Another overlooked difference is Melvin Ingram who wasn't in KC the last game and the emergence of Nick Bolton who is a stud rookie LB.

 

If the oline can't limit these players Allen isn't going to have a chance to play well, let alone come close to his output in the last game in October.

 

 Chris Jones is good, even really good, but in no way is he a top 10 player.

 

  The league would have to be so talent starved at other positions, including the most important one(QB), to place 2 DTs in the top 10......It's not. 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

50 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

There's very few talking heads in the NFL world that are going to truly give Allen and the Bills credit until they win a championship.

 

And that's also why most of these guys are pounding the Chiefs and Mahomes bandwagon again and the Bills resounding victory over the Patriots is a distant memory because of what the Chiefs and Mahomes did in their first playoff game. It's the 'the rest of the NFL better look out because the Chiefs of 2018 - 2020 are back' angle. But honestly can you really blame them?

I wouldn’t blame anyone for liking the Chiefs. They are a really good team and they are playing well on both sides of the ball right now. On offence they have adjusted very well to the two high safeties look and in using their secondary offensive weapons. On D they have gotten Jones back and so are better leveraging Clark. Getting Ingram was a good move imo.  I still think their secondary can be challenged, especially Sorensen who is used on passing downs and I believe saw the majority of defensive snaps versus Cincinnati.

When it comes to the Bills and specifically Josh Allen  I think the views of many talking heads are reliable - but as lagging indicators. They are for the most part behind the times. This board is generally a much better take on reality than their opinions. There are of course some commentators out there who are more up to date. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by starrymessenger

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

Weren't these from 1/12, before the NE game? Maybe you should do a follow up now

 

Yes they were. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[BillsFan619]

16 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

They need to right the 90's wrongs before I am willing to do so.

So for example, you don’t look at this team any differently than you did during the drought years?

[TheBrownBear]

On 1/19/2022 at 7:58 AM, billieve420 said:

Love the disrespect from Michael Holley about the Bills not being that good. Funny how when the Pats beat the Bills in that wind storm game all the talk was about the Pats owning the division again. However, now the narrative is the Pats were not good to begin with.

 

 

Michael Holley after the Bills win the Super Bowl: "The NFL clearly stinks!"

[BillsFan619]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

While the team changes over the years, the franchise has no championships. Until they do, it's Same Old Bills to me.

 

Win a SB and that will change.

I mean, I get what you’re saying. We all want them to win a Super Bowl. That said, same old Bills seems extreme.
 

The bills have been a very good team the past few years and have even gotten better. They’re way different than the drought years.

Edited January 20, 2022 by BillsFan619

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BillsFan619 said:

I mean, I get what you’re saying. We all want them to win a Super Bowl. That said, same old Bills seems extreme.
 

The bills have been a very good team the past few years and have even gotten better. They’re way different than the drought years.

This is so obvious as to be self-evident. Strange thing to be in denial about.

[aristocrat]

The Bills need to get this Super Bowl monkey off their back. It's the only way to quiet everyone.  Go out and just take it and we forever have that ring. 

[BillsFan619]

20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

This is so obvious as to be self-evident. Strange thing to be in denial about.

Yup. I agree, bro.

 

I know every single one of us wants to win a Super Bowl and that we don’t have one yet. That said, it doesn’t mean we’re the “same old” bills either.

[BillsFan619]

12 hours ago, aristocrat said:

The Bills need to get this Super Bowl monkey off their back. It's the only way to quiet everyone.  Go out and just take it and we forever have that ring. 

You’re right, some narratives won’t change until you win the big game.

 

Man, it’d be great if they can do that this year. Let’s get the monkey off our back.

 

Go Bills!

Edited January 21, 2022 by BillsFan619