Beasley flipping out at McDermott (at :41 of the 3rd quarter lower left screen on sideline)

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, BoccesOnTransit said:

Here's a gif: 

 

Honestly think he might’ve been pissed about the shot he took on the field.  Looks like he took one in the head.

 

That said, I think the biggest take away from this thread is that Beasley seems to be losing support amongst some of the posters here.  That is certainly indicative of nothing but the fall off of his play.  He’s not that expensive next season, but he could certainly be a cap casualty when the Bills go looking for space in March. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

to me it looks from the latest video posted in this thread that Cole was lollygagging off the field before the punt and McDermott probably said something like "move it!" and Cole flipped out. 

 

McDermott just kept walking because both he and Cole (and everyone else on the sidelines) knows McDermott is right. Get off the field with some urgency! 

 

No big deal, really. 

 

 

Yep this is at least plausible explanation for the video clip.    And I'm sure you don't run up $100K in protocol fines during the year without being a source of irritation to your head coach so it wouldn't be surprising if McDermott was a bit irked with Beasley still being on the field when the team was already lined up to punt.   All the covid stuff aside........it's just Beasley being Beasley.    He was beloved in Dallas but when he got a top dollar slot-WR contract from Buffalo to leave......he went out of his way to take totally unnecessary shots at the organization/team and then fought with the fans on social media etc..  And that's his home town.   That was a red flag right there that he can turn on his own people fast.

[RobbRiddick]

4 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

 

That said, I think the biggest take away from this thread is that Beasley seems to be losing support amongst some of the posters here. 

 

One key catch that helps us win the NE game and everyone will love him again.

 

A key catch in the Super Bowl and he gets a statue 

[Coach Tuesday]

According to Football Outsiders, Beasley declined from 2020-2021 more than any other WR in the league.

 

“Biggest Decline: Cole Beasley, BUF
From humble slot receiver to … whatever he is now. Beasley caught exactly 82 balls in both 2020 and 2021, but his yardage fell from 967 to 693, his average gain from 11.8 to 8.5, his touchdowns from four to one, and his DYAR from 267 (12th) to -47 (86th).”

(Don’t bother the Truthers with facts, though…)

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Evian said:

This is why McKenzie does not play more. He fumbles a playoff game away and you will be destroyed by the "we all saw thay coming" crowd. All coaches, but especially defensive minded coaches like McDermott, HATE offensive players that turn the ball over. And McKenzie does not protect the ball. Never has.

 

https://predominantlyorange.com/2018/07/26/denver-broncos-isaiah-mckenzie-fumble-issues/

 

 

How many fumbles has McKenzie had this year? Two. Now how many of them were NOT on kick returns?

How many fumbles did McKenzie have in 2020? Zero. 2019? Zero?

How many fumbles did McKenzie have in 2018? Two. Now how many of them were NOT on kick returns?

How many fumbles did McKenzie have in 2017 as a Bronco rookie? Six. Now how many of them were NOT on kick returns?

 

So, that's a total of 10 fumbles. How many were NOT on kick returns? That would be zero, in his whole career. All of his fumbles have come on special teams.

 

McKenzie doesn't have a fumbling problem.

 

He has a FUMBLING WHILE FIELDING AND RETURNING KICKS problem. Not a single fumble on runs or receptions.

 

So yeah, don't have him return kicks anymore. I think they've already figured that out last week.

 

But he protects the ball just fine when running or catching the ball.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

He hasn't been a factor this year, which is a shame.

 

He looks hurt, slow, and angry.

 

Time to move on.

[Thurman#1]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

According to Football Outsiders, Beasley declined from 2020-2021 more than any other WR in the league.

 

“Biggest Decline: Cole Beasley, BUF
From humble slot receiver to … whatever he is now. Beasley caught exactly 82 balls in both 2020 and 2021, but his yardage fell from 967 to 693, his average gain from 11.8 to 8.5, his touchdowns from four to one, and his DYAR from 267 (12th) to -47 (86th).”

(Don’t bother the Truthers with facts, though…)

 

 

Yup. He's still very good at finding holes in zones and settling into them. But in man-to-man situations, he can't find space like he used to. He's lost a step. Or two.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

According to Football Outsiders, Beasley declined from 2020-2021 more than any other WR in the league.

 

“Biggest Decline: Cole Beasley, BUF
From humble slot receiver to … whatever he is now. Beasley caught exactly 82 balls in both 2020 and 2021, but his yardage fell from 967 to 693, his average gain from 11.8 to 8.5, his touchdowns from four to one, and his DYAR from 267 (12th) to -47 (86th).”

(Don’t bother the Truthers with facts, though…)

Its plain to the eye that hes moving a step slower, far less elusive, not getting nearly the same degree of separation, and dropping catchable balls.  Last year he was playing out of his mind so maybe its slightly unfair to compare his current performance to the absolute best he has ever played but thats the bar.  

 

This is obvious to everyone but the few in this thread who think Beas is some kind of folk hero and will now defend him to the point of absurdity.  The offense moves the ball more efficiently when McKenzie stays on the field.  

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

According to Football Outsiders, Beasley declined from 2020-2021 more than any other WR in the league.

 

“Biggest Decline: Cole Beasley, BUF
From humble slot receiver to … whatever he is now. Beasley caught exactly 82 balls in both 2020 and 2021, but his yardage fell from 967 to 693, his average gain from 11.8 to 8.5, his touchdowns from four to one, and his DYAR from 267 (12th) to -47 (86th).”

(Don’t bother the Truthers with facts, though…)

That is what my eyes have seen imo.  He doesnt have that extra bit to grab the ball before the stick and get passed them.  I would start Beasley Saturday night.  At the first sign of man i go to Mckenzie.  He was a guy who gave them a ton of problems.    

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

One key catch that helps us win the NE game and everyone will love him again.

 

A key catch in the Super Bowl and he gets a statue 

Meh.  A single key catch against NE would do little to move the needle.  A game winning catch on Saturday would get him some momentary love, sure.  But it would be fleeting.  And anyone would get that.  Ditto immortalization for a game winning SB catch.  Knox, Mackenzie or a practice squad player would get that. 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

According to Football Outsiders, Beasley declined from 2020-2021 more than any other WR in the league.

 

“Biggest Decline: Cole Beasley, BUF
From humble slot receiver to … whatever he is now. Beasley caught exactly 82 balls in both 2020 and 2021, but his yardage fell from 967 to 693, his average gain from 11.8 to 8.5, his touchdowns from four to one, and his DYAR from 267 (12th) to -47 (86th).”

(Don’t bother the Truthers with facts, though…)

 

 

The big stat for me is 82 catches both seasons but 53 1st downs in 2020 and just 34 in 2021.

 

He actually had a "vintage" Beasley conversion early in the Jets game......but he has come up short of the sticks over and over this year.    Last year he was getting some RAC.    They weren't a good RAC team in 2020 either but the WR corps is really lousy wrt RAC this year.

[Coach Tuesday]

7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Meh.  A single key catch against NE would do little to move the needle.  A game winning catch on Saturday would get him some momentary love, sure.  But it would be fleeting.  And anyone would get that.  Ditto immortalization for a game winning SB catch.  Knox, Mackenzie or a practice squad player would get that. 

Tyler Kroft got that against the Rams.

[TheFunPolice]

Cole is entitled to his own opinions, and I respect that, and in and of itself that's not a big deal to me.

 

However, he has caused quite the stir this season AND something just seems off with him. His going at the fans for "booing him" when he catches the ball (which I don't think is what is happening) coupled with how he took so many shots at Dallas after leaving there makes me think he feels wronged somehow here and it is affecting his attitude and his play. He could just be hurt, frustrated, and now feeling like he's being attacked or not appreciated here because of the Covid stuff. 

 

He's a tough dude and a very good slot WR, and we need him dialed in to win a Super Bowl. 

 

I will say this in defense of Cole: regardless of the noise, the guy catches just about everything thrown near him. 

Edited January 11, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Jauronimo]

13 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Cole is entitled to his own opinions, and I respect that, and in and of itself that's not a big deal to me.

 

However, he has caused quite the stir this season AND something just seems off with him. His going at the fans for "booing him" when he catches the ball (which I don't think is what is happening) coupled with how he took so many shots at Dallas after leaving there makes me think he feels wronged somehow here and it is affecting his attitude and his play. He could just be hurt, frustrated, and now feeling like he's being attacked or not appreciated here because of the Covid stuff. 

 

He's a tough dude and a very good slot WR, and we need him dialed in to win a Super Bowl. 

 

I will say this in defense of Cole: regardless of the noise, the guy catches just about everything thrown near him. 

Hes had a couple balls go through the fingers this year.  They stood out to me big time because I don't think he had a single drop in 2020.  

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Ok. 

 

Braxton Berrios gets the nod because why?
 

What’s his 3rd down conversion rate? Is he as good of a route runner as Beasley? Does he understand option routes the same way? 
 

You can’t just plug and play one small light skinned dude for another. Braxton Barrios is GARBAGE. Beasley is certainly slower than he was last season, but he’s reliable. And as an outlet on 3rd and long, that’s what you need. That’s all he is here for, and that’s all he was ever here for. I was made aware of that after I was roasted on here after his first season, because I wasn’t drinking the Cole Kool Aid. 
 

He’s fiery and opinionated, and people here don’t like that… so naturally the fans here want him gone. Lord knows his “distractions” have hampered this team all season. 
 

Braxton Berrios…

 

 

Why? Because Braxton Berrios a good player. You seem to have missed that. Doesn't quite compare to prime Beasley. But neither does today's Beasley. And Berrios is a good kick returner, for KOs and punts.

 

More, Berrios has ...

 

• A slightly higher Yards per Reception number and a significantly higher one for this year
• A drop percentage of 0% this year (ProFootballReference) compared to 3.6% for Beasley.
• A career (2019 - 2021) drop %age of 3.0%, compared to Beasley's 3.7% over the same period all in Buffalo (ProFootballReference)
• Significantly better YAC per reception than Beasley each of the last three years
• A significantly better passer rating for his QB on throws to him this year than to Beasley, though Beasley was better in 2019 and 2012 before he lost that step
• A much higher TD/target figure

 

... and he accomplished all that while Beasley was being thrown to by Josh Allen, while Berrios ... was not. Think having Allen throwing to him might improve his numbers a bit?

 

Again, he returns kicks.

 

And as for fiery and opinionated, I don't give a crap. I don't think many fans do.

 

I do admit that I don't like selfish and entitled, willing to pay fines for risking teammate health consistentl, and consistently being on social media causing controversy even after promising he wouldn't.

 

I also don't like that Beasley's clearly lost a step or two and a great deal of his effectiveness against man coverage.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11, 2022 by Thurman#1

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 ... is a good player. You seem to have missed that. Doesn't compare to prime Beasley. But neither does today's Beasley. And Berrios is a good kick returner, for KOs and punts.

 

Berrios has ...

 

A slightly higher Yards per Reception number and a significantly higher one for this year

A drop percentage of 0% this year (ProFootballReference) compared to 3.6% for Beasley.

A career (2019 - 2021) drop %age of 3.0%, compared to Beasley's 3.7% over the same period all in Buffalo (ProFootballReference)

Significantly better YAC per reception than Beasley each of the last three years

A significantly better passer rating for his QB on throws to him this year than to Beasley, though Beasley was better in 2019 and 2012 before he lost that step

A much higher TD/target figure

 

... and he accomplished all that while Beasley was being thrown to by Josh Allen, while Berrios ... was not. Think having Allen throwing to him might improve his numbers a bit?

 

Again, he returns kicks.

 

And as for fiery and opinionated, I don't give a crap. I don't think many fans do.

 

I do admit that I don't like selfish and entitled, willing to pay fines for risking teammate health consistentl, and consistently being on social media causing controversy even after promising he wouldn't.

 

I also don't like that Beasley's clearly lost a step or two.

 

 

 So a “slightly” better player, who doesn’t put his team at risk. 
 

But you don’t care about his opinions…. Just like on the other 20+ pages of this thread. 

[BADOLBILZ]

I'd be a fan of adding Braxton Berrios.   

 

 

A good draft strategy for the last decade is invest late round picks in Miami Hurricanes...........they've been poorly coached so a lot of very talented players end up under-drafted.

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

 So a “slightly” better player, who doesn’t put his team at risk. 
 

But you don’t care about his opinions…. Just like on the other 20+ pages of this thread. 

 

He's an ascending young player who has put up comparable numbers with worse QBs and he can return kicks and punts.  You're either being purposely obtuse or, more likely, it's YOU who has the agenda.

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I'd be a fan of adding Braxton Berrios.   

 

 

A good draft strategy for the last decade is invest late round picks in Miami Hurricanes...........they've been poorly coached so a lot of very talented players end up under-drafted.

 

I would LOVE to add Berrios.  Upgrades on Beasley and McKenzie in one fell swoop.

[716er]

Berrios is alright but why settle there when you can get a younger and better (the BEST) slot guy in Godwin?

 

Now that we have a stud like Josh, recruiting a guy like Godwin should not be off the table. Beane loves a big splash, too

[fan_in_tx]

5 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

They won’t even address the selfishness/distraction issue.  Just pretend it’s not a thing.  Won’t engage with it or respond to it at all, even though it’s THE issue with him, not his personal medical decision.

So how often did you say the words Beasley and "selfish" prior to his personnel medical decisions?   We all know what these call outs are about. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

On 1/10/2022 at 1:12 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

I got back late last night so didn't see game thread or re-watch the game so not sure if it was discussed......

 

But after a 3rd down pass to Beasley went incomplete he ran off the field screaming at McDermott and throwing his hand at him in frustration.   

 

McDermott was walking briskly in his direction like he wanted to kick his ass....... but at the last second appeared to be pretending to not notice him. 

 

Someone on staff spun Beasley by the shoulder and escorted him to the bench area.

 

Beasley was pacing around audibly yelling "I'm done, I'm done".

 

Did you guys see this on the broadcast?    Was it discussed in the postgame?

 

I guess that's probably just 2021 Beasley being 2021(in 2022) Beasley but it was noteworthy.

 

 

You’re about to upset so many Beasley stans. They may be too busy rushing to Instagram to pat him on his back when things go wrong. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Beasley has been hurt all year and clearly lost a step with gusts to a step and a half. Likely due to age but probably both age and injury.

 

This thread quickly turned to a good ol' fashioned TSW catfight. Someone needs to challenge someone else to a spearing contest in the parking lot before Saturday's game.

[fan_in_tx]

4 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

The purpose of the getting to playoffs is to put your best players on the field to win the games.  It does not matter what happened yesterday its one and your done if you loose.

I want the best players on the field, and McKenzie has to many positive attributes right now to sit him on the bench.

Cole to be honest has not had a good year.  I give the nod to the guy that can help you the most right now.

 

That is not Cole.  Its Mckenzie.

And this is based off the countless hours you have spent at practice watching who is doing what ?   Who is accomplishing their jobs? Who is running the crisper routes.. who is dropping passes?    We don't know what the team knows based on what we see on Sunday

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

He's an ascending young player who has put up comparable numbers with worse QBs and he can return kicks and punts.  You're either being purposely obtuse or, more likely, it's YOU who has the agenda.

 

I would LOVE to add Berrios.  Upgrades on Beasley and McKenzie in one fell swoop.

My only agenda is not going back to addition but subtraction. 
 

At no point in any of what I wrote did I imply an agenda; except for not wanting trash players on this team. 

 

If you think that a guy like Barrios is the answer, awesome. I don’t. Not even a little. I’m not interested in paying market value for “slightly better”. I would much rather go with the players that are on this team, and use the small FA resources available to sign the core players on this roster, and go out and get some quality players through the draft. 
 

Someday I hope that “fans” can learn to separate the real world, from the distraction that sports brings us. How many players on this team have different religious views? Political views? Parenting choices? Dietary choices? Every single human being on this planet have minds and souls that determine their path. You and I are here to cheer them and boo them for what they do on the field. I’m not sure what the view of that field is like from the horses many of you ride on, but down here on the ground, I’m still pretty happy that Cole Beasley is on this team… and that’s coming from someone who didn’t want him on the team when he signed. 

Edited January 11, 2022 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap

[blacklabel]

50 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Beasley has been hurt all year and clearly lost a step with gusts to a step and a half. Likely due to age but probably both age and injury.

 

This thread quickly turned to a good ol' fashioned TSW catfight. Someone needs to challenge someone else to a spearing contest in the parking lot before Saturday's game.

i challenge you! I don’t care if you’re a dog, knuckle up, bucko! You’re about to get a furious fury of flying fists….of fury!!

[Wyobills89]

I'm going a little off topic. but people talking about return guy and slot. Watching the rose bowl this year, I really liked that return guy for the utes. He had dang good vision and could keep his balance really well I think his name was covey. Only seen him in the rose bowl though so not sure how his whole production was. But looked the part of a slot, return guy to me. As for beas. I like him and he has a right to his own opinion, but sometimes the best thing is to just keep it to yourself. 

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

My only agenda is not going back to addition but subtraction. 
 

At no point in any of what I wrote did I imply an agenda; except for not wanting trash players on this team. 

 

If you think that a guy like Barrios is the answer, awesome. I don’t. Not even a little. I’m not interested in paying market value for “slightly better”. I would much rather go with the players that are on this team, and use the small FA resources available to sign the core players on this roster, and go out and get some quality players through the draft. 
 

Someday I hope that “fans” can learn to separate the real world, from the distraction that sports brings us. How many players on this team have different religious views? Political views? Parenting choices? Dietary choices? Every single human being on this planet have minds and souls that determine their path. You and I are here to cheer them and boo them for what they do on the field. I’m not sure what the view of that field is like from the horses many of you ride on, but down here on the ground, I’m still pretty happy that Cole Beasley is on this team… and that’s coming from someone who didn’t want him on the team when he signed. 

 

Have you actually watched Barrios play?

[QCity]

11 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

I’m not interested in paying market value for “slightly better”. I would much rather go with the players that are on this team

 

Beasley will be 33 next year and Sanders 35. How long do you realistically think they can play? 

 

Getting Josh younger WR's that he can gel with for the next ~5 years seems like a good idea to me. 

 

 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Have you actually watched Barrios play?

Actually, yes. I watch Giants and Jests games on condensed replay on GamePass. He’s nothing spectacular. He doesn’t run routes the way that Beasley does. He’s not as creative at getting open. He’s scrappy and quick, but he doesn’t stand out to me as anything better than who is on this team already. If the Bills HAVE to cut Beasley, I’d rather have McKenzie or Kumerow over Barrios in a heart beat. 

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Beasley will be 33 next year and Sanders 35. How long do you realistically think they can play? 

 

Getting Josh younger WR's that he can gel with for the next ~5 years seems like a good idea to me. 

 

 

Sanders can go away. He’s a great locker room guy, great influence for the young guys on how to work and have longevity at the pro level. 
 

Beasley is most likely gone after this season, and Im fine with that if that’s what the FO decides. Younger receivers are great, but I don’t want the Bills to overpay for a guy like Barrios, when there are replacements for both of these guys you mentioned, already on the team. 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Actually, yes. I watch Giants and Jests games on condensed replay on GamePass. He’s nothing spectacular. He doesn’t run routes the way that Beasley does. He’s not as creative at getting open. He’s scrappy and quick, but he doesn’t stand out to me as anything better than who is on this team already. If the Bills HAVE to cut Beasley, I’d rather have McKenzie or Kumerow over Barrios in a heart beat. 

Why Kumerow? I get McKenzie, but Kumerow has done nothing his entire career.

[Coach Tuesday]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Why Kumerow? I get McKenzie, but Kumerow has done nothing his entire career.

 

Also why the Giants?

[MAJBobby]

Buh bye Beasley. Thanks for

your time. You Cap number and antics have overstayed their welcome. 

[RobbRiddicksTDLeap]

25 minutes ago, MJS said:

Why Kumerow? I get McKenzie, but Kumerow has done nothing his entire career.

Personally, I like what I see. He runs good routes, has good hands, plays through the whistle. He seems like a Process guy, and he’s under contract. 
 

I live on Long Island and work in NYC. Most of my coworkers are Jests or Giants fans. I watch them because I like to talk trash about their teams. Being able to say things like “really? A QB sneak on 3rd and 9 from the 4?” Or “Really? Tell me more about Braxton Barrios and Zach Wilson being the next Manning/Harrison!” That’s actually a conversation I had with a Teamster from Staten Island who told me I don’t have a clue about the Jests. 

[BADOLBILZ]

 

The Shaq thread is killing the traffic to my rumor thread.

 

Mods.........can we have the Shaq thread merged with mine and keep my title?

[Simon Says]

Has anybody posted video ?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, Simon said:

 

There a chunk of vid literally two posts above yours. 

 

Thanks 😘😘

 

[34-78-83]

24 minutes ago, Georgie said:

Has anybody posted video ?

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=how+to+search+posts+in+a+forum

[ExiledInIllinois]

52 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

Personally, I like what I see. He runs good routes, has good hands, plays through the whistle. He seems like a Process guy, and he’s under contract. 
 

I live on Long Island and work in NYC. Most of my coworkers are Jests or Giants fans. I watch them because I like to talk trash about their teams. Being able to say things like “really? A QB sneak on 3rd and 9 from the 4?” Or “Really? Tell me more about Braxton Barrios and Zach Wilson being the next Manning/Harrison!” That’s actually a conversation I had with a Teamster from Staten Island who told me I don’t have a clue about the Jests. 

Nobody has a clue about the Jests... Don't let them Shame you!😁

Edited January 11, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[716to540]

Okay. So I have this video of the Terminator shooting JFK in the Mississippi Delta .... 

[Chandler#81]

More evidence?? We made his Twitter.