Games that were rescheduled were almost canceled...NFLPA stepped in to push NFL to reschedule

[Big Turk]

The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid.

NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html

The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Big Turk

[GLP]

Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time.

[BuffaloBillyG]

11 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

The teams with COVID outbreaks were going to forfeit but players on neither team would have gotten paid.

NFLPA wasn't cool with that and pushed hard to reschedule them. NFL gave in and rescheduled them.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-news-jc-tretter-nfl-wanted-cancel-games-union-postponements-to-pay-players-164215312.html

The Raiders questioned if JC Tretter, head of the players' union, pushed back games for his team's own good.

When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Here's another angle.  Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games.  My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand.  That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded.  

[MJS]

I think it's better to try to play all the games. Plus, with vaccinated players testing positive due to the new variant, things are different now than they were before the season.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, GLP said:

Yup, cancelled games mean that player's won't get their game checks. That's when the unvaccinated will hear it from the vaccinated. Major dissention in the locker room, just what every team needs come playoff time.

 

Given the NFL's overall stat that 93-94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks. 

 

21 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

 

The "before the season" thing I recall was "if the games are cancelled due to an outbreak caused by unvaccinated players". 

I think the NFLPA had to agree to that as part of the negotiations to allow vaccination to be voluntary for players.

 

I don't think either side agreed on/specified what would happen if an outbreak was spread in the locker room by both vaccinated and unvaccinated players.

[StHustle]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Given the NFL's overall stat that 94% of the players are vaccinated, it's kind of hard to see unvaccinated players as driving these outbreaks.

 

Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

[Lagoon Blues]

No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off.  But, thats just kind of the world we live in now.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Lagoon Blues

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, StHustle said:

Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

 

No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

[StHustle]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

 

Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. 

[Mark Vader]

27 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

When the NFL announced before the season games would be cancelled due to outbreak (and players not paid) the NFLPA didn't throw a fuss and fight it.

 

Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for them. I feel bad for the people that invested time and money to go to a game (many traveling from out of town) that gets moved to a day/time when they can't make it. Season ticket holders that invested their money but can't make a Tuesday game on short notice due to work/family commitments. 

Yes. As always, the fans are the ones who get screwed.

[cba fan]

26 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's another angle.  Season future bets on win totals are based on each team playing 17 games.  My future bets say if they don't play 17 games the bet doesn't stand.  That means both the casinos & winning bettors lose out and the bets get refunded.  

that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays.

 

personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results.

 

 

[Big Turk]

25 minutes ago, cba fan said:

that's bs. If you bet 10 and team wins 10 or more you should win the bet regardless of how many total games your bet plays.

 

personally i feel a bet is a bet. If you place a bet you accept the risks that games may not be played for many reasons. And live with the results.

 

 

 

Agree to an extent...I think any bet that would have an outcome unchanged by canceled games should still stand...only bets that could have it go either way should be refunded for both sides.

 

For example, if you bet the Bills to win 12 games, even if they had one canceled now, they can only win a max of 11, so you should still lose that bet.

 

But for example, you bet them to win 11 games and they are 10-6 and the last game gets canceled, then it should be refunded since they could have theoretically won 11.

 

So to mez any bet that won or lost on either side even with a cancellation should still be honored, only the ones that could go either way or change based on a canceled game should be refunded.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Gotcha...and it's clear because it's many more of them. I was enforcing your original point. 6% unvaxxed isn't driving the issue. 

 

From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people.  So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue.

 

And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week.  A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening.

 

We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. 

 

But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit.  And I think the probabilities are against it.

[dave mcbride]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

From some of the case reports, it appears that in the right circumstances (crowded, unmasked, prolonged contact as on a plane or in a party), one person infected with Omicron can infect a large number of people.  So in theory, one or two unvaccinated people in the locker room could be driving the issue.

 

And infections with Omicron appear to progress very quickly - 2 or 3 days between infections vs. 5 days to a week.  A person can apparently test negative the day before, and be infecting a bunch of people by evening.

 

We don't have good data yet on what impact vaccination may (or may not) have on transmissibility of Omicron, as far as I know. 

 

But yeah, if the NFL had data (and they can sometimes determine the index case and spread patterns in a facility) showing that the recent outbreaks stemmed from an unvaccinated person, I would have expected them to be forcing a forfeit.  And I think the probabilities are against it.

My cynical take: the NFL wants no part of cancellations because it's giving them full spectrum TV dominance. To wit: between last Saturday (Dec 18) and this upcoming Monday(Dec 27), the NFL will have had 8 prime time games in 10 nights. That's crazy.

Edited December 22, 2021 by dave mcbride

[LeGOATski]

I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air.

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I highly doubt they ever really considered canceling/forfeiting games. Too much money involved on both sides. This is a bunch of hot air.

 

No it's not.  If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that.  It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to.

[LeGOATski]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

No it's not.  If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that.  It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to.

Oh, because JC Tretter said so.... 

 

This is all posturing. The NFL was never going to cancel games. Threatening to not pay players unless they get vaccinated was their whole goal prior to the season. And now that the new variant is spreading through vaxxed/unvaxxed alike, any validity behind that threat is pretty much gone.

 

There's too much money involved in stadium revenue, TV revenue, salaries, etc for this to have ever been a real consideration.

 

It's all hot air and posturing.

[ColoradoBills]

My opinion doesn't mean spit but it seems to me if you got enough players to field a team you play and don't forfeit.

 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, Lagoon Blues said:

No matter what happens at least half of everybody will be pissed off.  But, thats just kind of the world we live in now.

Don't assume the rest of the world is like that.  🙂

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

My opinion doesn't mean spit but it seems to me if you got enough players to field a team you play and don't forfeit.

 

Well, last year they expanded the PS roster seemingly with that idea in mind. I agree.

 

If a team hasn't filled it with some foresight and managed their roster accordingly (doesn't seem any team is keeping 1 QB in a "bubble" like many did last year) that's on them. The NFL makes a point to mention there is no eveidence that COVID has never been spread from team to team durning a game (which is extremely suspect).

[Mr. WEO]

Players are all about safety too!!!

[Lagoon Blues]

7 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Don't assume the rest of the world is like that.  🙂

You may be correct.  A possibly poor choice of a word on my part.  Though I try to avoid filtered news outlets, the world view I am left with most likely does not correctly portray every day people worldwide.  Cheers!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

My opinion doesn't mean spit but it seems to me if you got enough players to field a team you play and don't forfeit.

 

 

Yes but the fear is the team may be out 15 players, so yes enough to play with PS call ups.  But there may be another dozen whom test positive the day after the game,  meanwhile during the game they infect a dozen players on opposing team who then do the same the following week. By canceling the game you're doing more to contain it.

 

And by forfeiting and losing a game check may give incentive to get vaxxed.  Though I think with the league being over 92% vaxxed overall, doubt there's much of anything could be done to convince the last 8 % to take the shot.  Maybe a $1mil bonus payed??

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yes but the fear is the team may be out 15 players, so yes enough to play with PS call ups.  But there may be another dozen whom test positive the day after the game,  meanwhile during the game they infect a dozen players on opposing team who then do the same the following week. By canceling the game you're doing more to contain it.

 

And by forfeiting and losing a game check may give incentive to get vaxxed.  Though I think with the league being over 92% vaxxed overall, doubt there's much of anything could be done to convince the last 8 % to take the shot.  Maybe a $1mil bonus payed??

 

 

Like I stated already, "my opinion means spit".  We all will see what happens to the season with this new variant.

Seriously, is the NFL going to cancel a playoff game?  How is that going to work?

 

Personally, I have taken all the precautions I can.  Every time I leave my home I'm exposing myself in all kinds of ways.

My only empathy left is for the caregivers (of which I know many) and those who can't be vaxed.

FWIW.

[GLP]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

 Most of our COVID positives are the unvaxxed, Star, Beasley, etc. Not sure I trust the NFL vaccinated #'s. You have liars and cheaters out there like Rodgers and AB; most likely many more liars and cheaters too.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

They should, we all go to work they should too

 

 

[RaoulDuke79]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Bingo! It's clear that the vaccinated spread it much more. Now the NFL won't even test these guys so now all eyes on the unvaxed. Really unfair imo. Can someone explain to me how unvaxed put others in danger that vaxed dont?

 

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

I know anything vaccine related is very touchy, but just wondering why these are still posted while mine was deleted. Just trying to get a feel for what's acceptable and what's not. 

[Paulus]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No, that's not clear 'the vaccinated spread it much more'.  

And No, we're not going to do a general discussion of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated spread here.

I understood it to mean that they spread it more because they are not tested as much as the unvaxed. But, gonna stay away from the subject other than letting you know how I read it. 

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

No it's not.  If you read the story the NFL was planning to do just that.  It was the NFLPA that pushed hard for them not to.

Yes because the players want their game checks

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, GLP said:

 Most of our COVID positives are the unvaxxed, Star, Beasley, etc. Not sure I trust the NFL vaccinated #'s. You have liars and cheaters out there like Rodgers and AB; most likely many more liars and cheaters too.

 

Beasley, Klein, Doyle, Lotulelei believed to be unvaccinated

Feliciano, Dawkins, Dodson say they're vaccinated

Hart has switched teams and played on a timeline not allowed for a vaccinated player, so presumed vaccinated.  Ditto Fromm.

Trubisky and Kumerow returned in less then 10 days, so presumably vaccinated

Love and Gentry unknown (but we think the practice squad guys are likely to be vaccinated in case they get cut and need a new team)

 

So that's 4 unvaccinated

3 known vaccinated

3 presumed vaccinated (by timeline)

2 unknown

 

I think most people are honest and trustworthy - might tell "white lies" or fib about why they're late to work)

Rodgers lied to the press but was honest with the NFL and the team.

Yeah, you have cheaters like AB and his two buds.  AB has been totes cray-cray for a long time.  The 3 of them make up 4% of the team.

 

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Oh, because JC Tretter said so.... 

 

This is all posturing. The NFL was never going to cancel games. Threatening to not pay players unless they get vaccinated was their whole goal prior to the season. And now that the new variant is spreading through vaxxed/unvaxxed alike, any validity behind that threat is pretty much gone.

 

There's too much money involved in stadium revenue, TV revenue, salaries, etc for this to have ever been a real consideration.

 

It's all hot air and posturing.

 

It seems more that those who have only an opinion posturing and blowing hot air because that theory agrees with what they believed before.

 

I am really surprised though that NFL did not use this as leverage on NFLPA to pay for player tests since they are ones advocating daily tests on behalf of small minority of players who already need to take daily tests.

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

It seems more that those who have only an opinion posturing and blowing hot air because that theory agrees with what they believed before.

 

I am really surprised though that NFL did not use this as leverage on NFLPA to pay for player tests since they are ones advocating daily tests on behalf of small minority of players who already need to take daily tests.

Because in reality they have no leverage

[Buddo]

Players want to be paid.

Cancelling games will stop that happening.

If I understand the way things are happening, players on the covid list, still get paid, assuming the game is played.

The players will complain about it to an extent, but will have street FAs playing if it still means they get paid.

[HOUSE]

Its amazing how money can move mountains

 

Play 3 games on Strawberry Island ??

 

Sure, no problem 😬