Weatherman Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What choice do you think the Panthers have exactly about those big $$? 5th year option was fully guaranteed at signing - $18.6M next season. What are they gonna do, say "everyone could see our OL was trash and the guy broke his shoulder, but we so strongly don't believe in him that we want you to take him and his $18.6M off our hands"? If they want to trade Sam, they're gonna have to eat a good part of his salary I do believe. This is my understanding of 5th year options: “When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Weatherman said: This is my understanding of 5th year options: “When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury.” Interesting, Thanks. I thought it was fully guaranteed. Yeah, they're gonna want to kick him to the curb then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I'm actually surprised Barkley would take his family into a dumpster fire rather than continuing to hang out with the elite Titans for the rest of the year. Pretty simple reasoning - he gets paid a lot more being on a 53 man roster than he does on the Practice Squad. And Barkley doesn't have a whole lot of opportunities left to see playing time in the NFL. If you're him, you're going to jump at the chance to play. Even if it's with a bad team. Edited November 10, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Pretty simple reasoning - he gets paid a lot more being on a 53 man roster than he does on the Practice Squad. And Barkley doesn't have a whole lot of opportunities left to see playing time in the NFL. If you're him, you're going to jump at the chance to play. Even if it's with a bad team. Yep, and Carolina minus Darnold might not be a bad team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: And Trubisky will be the #1 QB of the Panthers? Not after bringing in Bridgewater then Darnold. Then passing on Fields to bring in CB Horne. They also don’t have a second or third next year. They are forced to draft someone unless they can get a Rogers or Wilson ( which they can’t) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Love the egos of the head coaches and GM's. We'll fix this guy and bank our short term future on it despite no sustained previous success in his first three years in the NFL. I said at the time it was a mistake to give up picks and pick up his 5th year option for Darnold. However, I also wanted the Bills to draft Josh Rosen so they cancel each other out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What choice do you think the Panthers have exactly about those big $$? 5th year option was fully guaranteed at signing - $18.6M next season. What are they gonna do, say "everyone could see our OL was trash and the guy broke his shoulder, but we so strongly don't believe in him that we want you to take him and his $18.6M off our hands"? If they want to trade Sam, they're gonna have to eat a good part of his salary I do believe. They are currently at $27 in two seasons to move on from QBs ( to worse options) We Have seen this movie before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Darnold now reported as having incomplete fracture of shoulder https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32593531/source-carolina-panthers-qb-sam-darnold-incomplete-fracture-shoulder-blade Perhaps he'll get the "your shoulder was actually broken at the time and you were trying to gut through it" pass out of Rhule's AwShit list Darnold can’t even complete a fracture? Edited November 10, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 hours ago, prissythecat said: I kept reading here that all Darnold needed to shine was a change of scenery. Perhaps a move to another team will finally do the trick ? Well he did look good for a couple of games He just needs to change teams multiple times during the season to keep things fresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: The XFL will do wonders for him, he might even win a championship like JP did in the UFL. There was 3 teams in that league everyone got a podium spot Ok a high of 5 and most seasons 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 hours ago, fasteddie said: Watching the UB game and espnu reported that Darnold has a fractured scapula. I would think that would cause some problems. Happened to me, then I couldn't flip the eggs properly to get 'over easy'. 🙁 18 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Well he did look good for a couple of games He just needs to change teams multiple times during the season to keep things fresh Ever short players for 'playground football' as a kid? We would take the most accurate arm in the bunch, and make him 'official QB'. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Happened to me, then I couldn't flip the eggs properly to get 'over easy'. 🙁 Ever short players for 'playground football' as a kid? We would take the most accurate arm in the bunch, and make him 'official QB'. 😁 It would certainly save on player salaries 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Big Turk said: You know what the difference in weekly checks between a vested vet on the active roster and a practice squad player is? Not that hard of a decision. Obviously. Not all decisions are about money though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think he entered it when The Jets shipped him to Carolina for a 2nd round pick. I heard that Twilight Zone du-da-du-do du-da-du-do when that news broke. But this is definitely a big step further into the Zone. I don't think they're going to let go of him that quickly, but Rhule's comments don't bode well for Sam. They may not bode well for Rhule, either, depending upon what scope and seriousness of conversation he had with Sam before making it public. This is a great point. Rhule is in water way over his head and he's letting Darnold lay in front of the bus, if not throwing him under it. Now with Barkley, his days are likely numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: This is a great point. Rhule is in water way over his head and he's letting Darnold lay in front of the bus, if not throwing him under it. Now with Barkley, his days are likely numbered. He is on year 2 of a very expensive seven year deal with no break clause. If Tepper wants to fire him he better back up the brink trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 hours ago, fasteddie said: Watching the UB game and espnu reported that Darnold has a fractured scapula. I would think that would cause some problems. Not sure how to flip the eggs with a fractured scapula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He is on year 2 of a very expensive seven year deal with no break clause. If Tepper wants to fire him he better back up the brink trucks. Tepper is D.Snyder 2.0. He is egotistical, meddlesome and clearly feels he can pay his way into a Championship caliber team. On one hand, the D they built is good. On the other, their QB and O line evaluation has been an abject failure. I think Rhule makes it through next year at a minimum with the proviso that OC Brady is gone ( maybe before the end of this season) and they bring in a competent OC. Also, the QB and O line show signs of improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Tepper is D.Snyder 2.0. He is egotistical, meddlesome and clearly feels he can pay his way into a Championship caliber team. On one hand, the D they built is good. On the other, their QB and O line evaluation has been an abject failure. I think Rhule makes it through next year at a minimum with the proviso that OC Brady is gone ( maybe before the end of this season) and they bring in a competent OC. Also, the QB and O line show signs of improvement. Yea Joe Brady will be back in college next year IMO. He has been a bad hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: They are about to clear some crazy amount of dead money this year and will only have 7 million dead cap next year so they could cut him. Let’s review: Cut Cam and eat $20 mil of guaranteed $ to sign Bridgewater. Cut Bridgewater and pay him $7 mil to play for the Broncos. Pickup Darnold’s fifth year option before he played a down😂😂😂 You better believe they can cut him. They have scored exactly one TD in the last 34 possessions. A defensive player started his presser by stating he was only going to answer questions about the D(!?!) Rhule is losing that locker room if he trots “ Captain Interception “ out there even a few more times. And PJ Walker is NOT a QB. He is worse than Darnold which is the real reason Rhule kept him in there. The next time they bench Darnold is the last time they do it. So, yes, they are done with Darnold and he is done as a starter in this league. Maybe not this week but maybe so. Bad management continues in spite of a change of GMs this past offseason. The last GM got fired in part because of the 1st move and what does the new GM come in & do?- moves 2 & 3. That's like buying a new car & crashing it a block from the dealer where you picked it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Success said: I mean, who would have thought on draft day that Allen would be the top of that class? Josh Allen, that's who. On draft day Josh said this about Bills management: I'm going to make them look like the smartest people out there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He is on year 2 of a very expensive seven year deal with no break clause. If Tepper wants to fire him he better back up the brink trucks. Another billionaire making another dumb NFL business decision. Rhule is a nobody with a year in 2012 as an NFL assistant position coach. He's a college kid coach. Prior to Panthers, he was at Baylor where his teams went 1-11, 6-6, 11-1. Yet Tepper backed up the truck to pay this dude crazy money. What could go wrong?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 They probably should’ve kept Kyle Allen instead of trading him. Be at least showed someone promise and could’ve been a decent backup QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Success said: I mean, who would have thought on draft day that Allen would be the top of that class? A lot of people. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, mannc said: A lot of people. (Re: Allen being top of the 2018 QB class) Has anyone gone back to look at what the "experts" said? I'd tend to agree with this. Wasn't it something like an even split between Mayfield/Allen/Darnold/Rosen with a smaller Lamar contingent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 This signing has nothing to do with Darnold's play and everything to do with the fact he has an incomplete fracture of his right shoulder blade and is likely to miss several weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: That's like buying a new car & crashing it a block from the dealer where you picked it up. "Hey, let's go back and get another one, even if it's off the used car lot! Dad's got lots of money!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Darnold can’t even complete a fracture? Did you come up with that independently or borrow this? Either way, it's funny. Harsh, but funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, mannc said: A lot of people. Not here. On this board, we got the "wrong Josh." There were a few who were thrilled, but it was not a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said: This signing has nothing to do with Darnold's play and everything to do with the fact he has an incomplete fracture of his right shoulder blade and is likely to miss several weeks. Darnold doesn’t start another game this year for the Panthers, even when cleared to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did you come up with that independently or borrow this? Either way, it's funny. Harsh, but funny. Hap, I’m a lot of things, but if I use someone else’s work I acknowledge it. It seemed a very natural comment upon reading what you wrote and I was surprised you didn’t hit it when you teed it up. I actually checked the 7 or 8 posts that preceded mine to be sure no one had said it. Ironically, my initial post was corrected from Darnold to Darnell… I had to edit a 5 word post. 🤣 🤙 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 6:06 AM, mannc said: Yep, and Carolina minus Darnold might not be a bad team. I think they are an oline and a QB away. They have excellent weapons, they have good pieces on defense.... When Sam was efficient through the first three games you saw what they can be. As soon as he regressed to the mean they are a bit of a mess. The oline definitely needs work too though. Taylor Morton is steady the rest are not good enough. John Miller is starting for them at guard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 I've said it before the season started and I'll say it again. Sam Darnold is going to be a Buffalo Bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they are an oline and a QB away. They have excellent weapons, they have good pieces on defense.... When Sam was efficient through the first three games you saw what they can be. As soon as he regressed to the mean they are a bit of a mess. The oline definitely needs work too though. Taylor Morton is steady the rest are not good enough. John Miller is starting for them at guard! Gunner, All sarcasm aside, “ online and QB” away is like being on a desert island. They have a 1,4,5,5,6,6,7 in the draft so the phone they have on their island is just about out of juice. Matt Paradis just blew his knee out so they are truly screwed. And he has never lived up to expectations as it was. They will have to trade good players away( R. Anderson, D. Jackson, S. Thompson?) to acquire the capital to get anyone of value or more draft capital. They have no shot at Rodgers or? In the free agent market. YOLO talked about Trubisky going there but Rhule and co have shot their “ Reclamation wad” . I would be stunned if they bring in anything other than a rookie draft pick( which I hear aren’t looking that good this college year) and keep Barkley or some other place holder. Mark my word, Darnold is gone or the third string inactive next year. And that doesn’t even include the O line which need a bigger rebuild than the Bills. And, they will be installing a new Offense next year as Brady ( wonderkid extrordinaire) crapped the NFL OC bed mightily. Their misery has made my NFL Week a little more palatable 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Gunner, All sarcasm aside, “ online and QB” away is like being on a desert island. They have a 1,4,5,5,6,6,7 in the draft so the phone they have on their island is just about out of juice. Matt Paradis just blew his knee out so they are truly screwed. And he has never lived up to expectations as it was. They will have to trade good players away( R. Anderson, D. Jackson, S. Thompson?) to acquire the capital to get anyone of value or more draft capital. They have no shot at Rodgers or? In the free agent market. YOLO talked about Trubisky going there but Rhule and co have shot their “ Reclamation wad” . I would be stunned if they bring in anything other than a rookie draft pick( which I hear aren’t looking that good this college year) and keep Barkley or some other place holder. Mark my word, Darnold is gone or the third string inactive next year. And that doesn’t even include the O line which need a bigger rebuild than the Bills. And, they will be installing a new Offense next year as Brady ( wonderkid extrordinaire) crapped the NFL OC bed mightily. Their misery has made my NFL Week a little more palatable 🤓 Yep, fair point. It is a tough spot cos the roster is too good to suck. But you are right that building an Oline and finding a Quarterback with limited draft capital isn't easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) On 11/10/2021 at 10:39 AM, The Frankish Reich said: (Re: Allen being top of the 2018 QB class) Has anyone gone back to look at what the "experts" said? I'd tend to agree with this. Wasn't it something like an even split between Mayfield/Allen/Darnold/Rosen with a smaller Lamar contingent? 1st I'll address the Allen at the top of the class. I have collected several 2018 draft opinions that were published that I printed years ago. Going to my files here are the results. Anyone who put on ESPN in 2018 knows Mel Kiper Jr. had Josh Allen at the top of his QB rankings. In fact, at the time Kiper had Allen ranked as the 9th best QB prospect in the history of his ratings (He now has moved Josh to #10 with the addition of Trevor Lawrence above Josh) My favorite draft expert, the late Dave Te' Thomas had Josh at the top of his 2018 QB ratings. The headline to his analysis is " On potential, Josh Allen is cream of the quarterback crop. Frank Coyle's Draft Insiders had Josh Allen 3rd, behind in order Darnold and Rosen, and ahead Mayfield & Jackson. He had this week's Jets QB, Mike White, at 7. Athlon Sports 2018 NFL Draft Guide ranked Allen #3. Their rankings in order were Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, Riley Ferguson, Benkert, Faulk, White, Lee, Lauletta, Linehan, Briscoe, Barrett, Kyle Allen There were many mock drafts that had the Bills trading up for Josh Allen. I think that it wasn't a very well kept secret that the Bills wanted Josh Allen. As long as Cleveland didn't take him #1 the path was clear since the Bills had a trade up to #5 worked out and a backup plan (the one that happened) at #7. So with all those mocks of Allen to the Bills, the "experts" knew something. Edited November 11, 2021 by Albany,n.y. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 10:26 AM, Mr. WEO said: Another billionaire making another dumb NFL business decision. Rhule is a nobody with a year in 2012 as an NFL assistant position coach. He's a college kid coach. Prior to Panthers, he was at Baylor where his teams went 1-11, 6-6, 11-1. Yet Tepper backed up the truck to pay this dude crazy money. What could go wrong?? The reason he signed Rhule to such a big contract was because it was rumored that the NY Giants 1st choice was Rhule and the Panthers owner wanted to beat out the Giants. After Rhule went to Carolina, the Giants signed Joe Judge. Lose/Lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 3:48 PM, Buffalo Boy said: https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-plan-to-sign-quarterback-matt-barkley Darnold’s stats in Clt are even worse than with the Jets. Rhule’s decision to keep his former Temple player PJ Walker as the only backup QB is blowing up in his face. The Panthers are dumpster firing hotter than any other current team. Barkley is going to get fed to the wolves behind an O line that makes ours look like a Pro Bowl roster. I legit feel bad for Matt. I hope he gouges them for a tidy sum for the beating he is about to take. You feel bad for an NFL head coach? Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: You feel bad for an NFL head coach? Yikes. No!! Enjoying the heck out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 Cam’s Back Darnold’s DONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Cam Newton just signed with the Panthers. That changes the dynamic for Matt Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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