I hate to say it … but the Pats are coming

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These kinds of threads get comments on the Pats boards.  Their fans generally say something like "we live rent free in their heads."  

 

Then, they go to a Bruins game and join in a rousing crowd chant of "Yankees suck!"

 

[teef]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

yup exactly. However, he did talk about the Pats last season too.  He said he wouldnt be surprised if the Bills ended last in the division at one point too or maybe it was second last.

Yup.  That’s our guy!

[PatsFanNH]

52 minutes ago, Success said:

These kinds of threads get comments on the Pats boards.  Their fans generally say something like "we live rent free in their heads."  

 

Then, they go to a Bruins game and join in a rousing crowd chant of "Yankees suck!"

 

First that’s hilarious! Second we Bruins fans chant Canadiens suck lol..  

 

As for this thread of course the Pats are “back” did anyone think BB would have two losing seasons in a row? That doesn’t mean they win it all just they are very much improved.

[Success]

19 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

First that’s hilarious! Second we Bruins fans chant Canadiens suck lol..  

 

As for this thread of course the Pats are “back” did anyone think BB would have two losing seasons in a row? That doesn’t mean they win it all just they are very much improved.

 

I've heard "Yankees suck" at Bruins game. I've heard it  at Celtics games. I've heard it (of course) at Red Sox games, even when they were in the World Series.

 

I have always wondered why they do that.  I mean, the Patriots ARE in our heads here, or at least some of us - but I'd be embarrassed if our fans chanted that anywhere except for a Bills/Pats game.

 

And of course - BB is going to have that team in contention as long as he's there.  The hype is a bit much right now, but if they continue winning it's warranted.

 

[dave mcbride]

49 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

First that’s hilarious! Second we Bruins fans chant Canadiens suck lol..  

 

As for this thread of course the Pats are “back” did anyone think BB would have two losing seasons in a row? That doesn’t mean they win it all just they are very much improved.

They have a very strong roster, that's for sure. And the coaching staff is obviously excellent. I see them ending up at around 11-6. Could win the division, but might not. The Bills have a tough road in the next few weeks, starting with the Colts. It'll come down to the head-to-head games between the two.

[Patrick Duffy]

54 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

First that’s hilarious! Second we Bruins fans chant Canadiens suck lol..  

 

As for this thread of course the Pats are “back” did anyone think BB would have two losing seasons in a row? That doesn’t mean they win it all just they are very much improved.

I honestly predicted they would. Before season I believe I had them at a game below .500 for final record, since with the extra game added this season .500 won't happen. But as I stated (think was you I was talking with other day) that Pats have been better than I thought they would, at least so far anyways...

Edited November 18, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

You’d think this is a Pats*** board with all this love for another Tua.  
 

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[PatsFanNH]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

You’d think this is a Pats*** board with all this love for another Tua.  
 

 

How is he anything like Tua? The Phins were good last year because of Fitzmagic not Tua. While this year the Pats are good because Jones is playing well. Something I don’t believe Tua did at all last year.  I just don’t see the comparison. 

17 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I honestly predicted they would. Before season I believe I had them at a game below .500 for final record, since with the extra game added this season .500 won't happen. But as I stated (think was you I was talking with other day) that Pats have been better than I thought they would, at least so far anyways...

Ok it probably was with me. Did you tell me Iwas wearing rose colored glasses because I thought 10-11 wins was possible for them? (I think they could still get there as well.) Mind you my predictions were off for the Dolphins and the Jets already have 1 more win than I expected lol.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

How is he anything like Tua? The Phins were good last year because of Fitzmagic not Tua. While this year the Pats are good because Jones is playing well. Something I don’t believe Tua did at all last year.  I just don’t see the comparison. 

Cuz Tua can throw some good balls and some bad.  

 

God I wish I could find the vid of the floater Mac n Cheese threw. 
 

that ball would have been intercepted 12 times out of 10 by this Bills Defense 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

25 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok it probably was with me. Did you tell me Iwas wearing rose colored glasses because I thought 10-11 wins was possible for them? (I think they could still get there as well.) Mind you my predictions were off for the Dolphins and the Jets already have 1 more win than I expected lol

Nah that one wasn't me. Believe we were discussing the schedule and strength of opponents etc. But anyways, they still could end up below .500 when it's said and done, but if they keep playing well as they have thus far then it's likely they will be above .500

Edited November 18, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[PatsFanNH]

4 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Cuz Tua can throw some good balls and some bad.  

 

God I wish I could find the vid of the floater Mac n Cheese threw. 
 

that ball would have been intercepted 12 times out of 10 by this Bills Defense 

 

 

OMG your that kind of fan. Believe what you see 1 throw or two it’s what he is. That be me saying Allen would lose every time to the Pats because he gets happy feet when pressured.. because I saw him do it against the Steelers a couple times.. ugh. (The Allen thing is sarcasm so no one loses their minds)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

You’d think this is a Pats*** board with all this love for another Tua.  

 

Oooooooh, Shots Fired!  

 

So far, Mac Jones looks considerably better than Tua.  How much of that is better offensive play design and coaching, and how much is a better QB, can’t tell you.  Mac is being well supported but he’s “doing his job” and doing it well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

How is he anything like Tua? The Phins were good last year because of Fitzmagic not Tua. While this year the Pats are good because Jones is playing well. Something I don’t believe Tua did at all last year.  I just don’t see the comparison. 

 

I don’t see the comparison between Jones and Tua either.

 

To be fair to Tua-fish, though, the Phins did go 6-3 on his watch last season, and he was responsible for a reasonable amount of offense:

11 TD, 5 INT, 181 ypg, 6.3 ypa in 9 starts 

 

Don’t shoot the messenger, but right now with 10 starts, Mac Jones 6-4, 13 TD 7 INT, 233 ypg, 7.1 ypa is not all that dissimilar offensive production

 

I’m pointing that out not to make an argument that Jones = Tua.  I see them as different players, being asked to lead two very different styles of offense, but Tua didn’t put up those numbers without playing well at times last year.

 

The Dolphins have gone on a slide IMO because their decision to replace Chan Gailey (who runs a difficult offense for a young QB to master) with a two-headed monster promoted from within has NOT worked out well.

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t see the comparison between Jones and Tua either.

 

To be fair to Tua-fish, though, the Phins did go 6-3 on his watch last season, and he was responsible for a reasonable amount of offense:

11 TD, 5 INT, 181 ypg, 6.3 ypa in 9 starts 

 

Don’t shoot the messenger, but right now with 10 starts, Mac Jones 6-4, 13 TD 7 INT, 233 ypg, 7.1 ypa is not all that dissimilar offensive production

 

I’m pointing that out not to make an argument that Jones = Tua.  I see them as different players, being asked to lead two very different styles of offense, but Tua didn’t put up those numbers without playing well at times last year.

 

The Dolphins have gone on a slide IMO because their decision to replace Chan Gailey (who runs a difficult offense for a young QB to master) with a two-headed monster promoted from within has NOT worked out well.

 

I dont know if Tua would be better than Mac or not.  I agree with the original post this started from though.  I think Tua would have looked really well on the Pats and would at least have them in the same place right now.  He may have a noodle arm but he has a fairly accurate short game.  Not much different than what Mac is doing.  Just Mac is on a better team with better coaching. 

 

Mac is now 11 starts 14 TDs and 8 Int.  Not great.  His best attribute is his completion % but he throws the ball mostly within 5 yards of the los.  Praising him for his comp % is like praising Tyrod Taylor because he doesnt throw INTs.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Scott7975

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I dont know if Tua would be better than Mac or not.  I agree with the original post this started from though.  I think Tua would have looked really well on the Pats and would at least have them in the same place right now.  He may have a noodle arm but he has a fairly accurate short game.  Not much different than what Mac is doing.  Just Mac is on a better team with better coaching. 

 

Mac is now 11 starts 14 TDs and 8 Int.  Not great.  His best attribute is his completion % but he throws the ball mostly within 5 yards of the los.  Praising him for his comp % is like praising Tyrod Taylor because he doesnt throw INTs.

The second part is kind of wrong. The first five games they kept it as simple as possible for him.. since I say the Dallas game he been throws deep a lot more and I’d say has average completion percentage for long balls. 

[Casey D]

This is great.  So much trash talk. Competition makes everyone better.  It is good that the Pats are at least decent.  Bills need someone to push them, it will make them better.  And I think both teams make the playoffs.  It's like DA Trotter out there in My Cousin Vinny-- "you did good out there Yankee-- I like the competition." And this will be decided on the field in two games.

Just now, Casey D said:

This is great.  So much trash talk. Competition makes everyone better.  It is good that the Pats are at least decent.  Bills need someone to push them, it will make them better.  And I think both teams make the playoffs.  It's like DA Trotter out there in My Cousin Vinny-- "you did good out there Yankee-- I like the competition." And this will be decided on the field in two games. Maybe three!

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

The second part is kind of wrong. The first five games they kept it as simple as possible for him.. since I say the Dallas game he been throws deep a lot more and I’d say has average completion percentage for long balls. 

Do you have stats to back this? Games before Dallas and then since? I’m not doing the work, I hope you will forgive me for not trusting a Pats fan. I bet you can figure out why. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oooooooh, Shots Fired!  

 

So far, Mac Jones looks considerably better than Tua.  How much of that is better offensive play design and coaching, and how much is a better QB, can’t tell you.  Mac is being well supported but he’s “doing his job” and doing it well.

 

just having a little fun 🤩 

‘‘Twas  meant to indicate that people crown the Tim Tebow of the world winners too fast. 
 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[PatsFanNH]

52 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Do you have stats to back this? Games before Dallas and then since? I’m not doing the work, I hope you will forgive me for not trusting a Pats fan. I bet you can figure out why. 

I don’t I was going by the eye test.. ive watched every game. But let me see if I can. (It may take me awhile so I didn’t want you thinking I was ignoring your reasonable request)

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

The second part is kind of wrong. The first five games they kept it as simple as possible for him.. since I say the Dallas game he been throws deep a lot more and I’d say has average completion percentage for long balls. 

 

Define a lot more.  Last night he threw one deep pass and it was a floater INT.  Im not saying he cant.  I honestly don't know yet.  Im just saying he doesn't.

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Define a lot more.  Last night he threw one deep pass and it was a floater INT.  Im not saying he cant.  I honestly don't know yet.  Im just saying he doesn't.

What do you consider a deep pass? For example he threw a couple nice 17 yard passes for completions, and that interception was a rookie mistake. (Which I expect)

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

What do you consider a deep pass? For example he threw a couple nice 17 yard passes for completions, and that interception was a rookie mistake. (Which I expect)

Yeah that one pass was nice.  He laid it up perfect for his receiver to make a play.  Deep ball to me is 20+ air.  At some point he will have to stretch the field.

 

Just to be clear... I am not of the opinion that the kid is bad.  He is playing very well.  I just don't know if he can make those throws.  Because he hasn't, at least not very often, I question if he can.  Eventually your team will be behind against someone.  Can he bring them back with his arm when 5 yard passes won't cut it?  I know I mock but... Im a Bills fan.  At this point he isn't scary to me.

Edited November 19, 2021 by Scott7975

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Yeah that one pass was nice.  He laid it up perfect for his receiver to make a play.  Deep ball to me is 20+ air.  At some point he will have to stretch the field.

 

Just to be clear... I am not of the opinion that the kid is bad.  He is playing very well.  I just don't know if he can make those throws.  Because he hasn't, at least not very often, I question if he can.  Eventually your team will be behind against someone.  Can he bring them back with his arm when 5 yard passes won't cut it?  I know I mock but... Im a Bills fan.  At this point he isn't scary to me.

He shouldn’t scare you as a bills fan yet. You have the better QB right now no matter what. 
 

also I don’t know how he would do in a comeback situation but he went toe to toe with the Cowboys and landed a few good deep passes. (Like a 50 yarder that went 75 for a TD)

[BADOLBILZ]

On 11/17/2021 at 3:11 PM, dave mcbride said:

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2021/11/16/bill-belichick-the-gm-has-built-a-patriots-to-believe-in/ - homer-biased but good rundown of what he has put together.

 

 

Belichick has taken A TON of heat in the Boston media the two years prior for his personnel decisions.   At least the idiots could wait until the team actually stopped being competitive.   One fall off to 7-9 after a couple decades of dominating the division and he could do no right in their eyes.   Bills fans think the Buffalo media is critical.

[BADOLBILZ]

On 11/17/2021 at 12:27 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't say it was "a gouge".  I said "So why undercut those points with dramatic sounding incorrect gouge?" 

Top definition here

 

I can't help your reading comprehension problems.  This is what I said:

 

There's nothing in there about how McDermott was a "big key" in Reid's success (that would be a strange take, given that Reid's teams were conference championship contenders long before McDermott became an assistant), nor did I say anything implying they made the playoffs because McD was the DC.   There's a huge amount of space between hiring a DC with no NFL defensive coaching experience, and having your former DC be "responsible" for your success.  

 

It's also a crap discussion tactic to put quotation marks around something that was never said. 

 

I'm not going to bother to try to explain my point further, because with the reading comprehension (or deliberate misrepresentation) issues who knows how that would get twisted?  I'll reiterate something I did previously say: "This kind of straw man is exactly why so many here hold back from engaging with you.  You genuinely know a lot about the Bills, and about football, and I respect that...but you sometimes appear far more interested in "poking the bear" or ***** stirring than in actually having the solid discussion of which you are capable."

 

 

You used the Urban Dictionary version of the word "gouge"?  You really think that the majority of people on this board know that the word gouge in ghetto slang means "insight"?  Most people think it means "to take a chunk out of something".  

 

As for the rest..........you painted a picture that just wasn't accurate.    Why did it matter that the Eagles had made the playoffs "3 straight years" when McD was fired?   They'd been to 5 NFC Championship games under Reid in the decade prior.........all before McDermott was his DC.......and they were unceremoniously knocked out of the playoffs in the WC round in the two seasons he was the DC.    

 

Nobody takes being pointed out to be wrong worse than you on this board.  Instant red head.   Now I know why you want to be a mod. 

[TBBills]

They are definitely coming... In 2 weeks, and will be leaving losers.

[Success]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

They are definitely coming... In 2 weeks, and will be leaving losers.

 

Man, I hope so.

 

If we don't at least split w/ them this year, it will be a trying situation for me.  Could be good for gummy & beer sales, though.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You used the Urban Dictionary version of the word "gouge"?  You really think that the majority of people on this board know that the word gouge in ghetto slang means "insight"?  Most people think it means "to take a chunk out of something".  

 

As for the rest..........you painted a picture that just wasn't accurate.    Why did it matter that the Eagles had made the playoffs "3 straight years" when McD was fired?   They'd been to 5 NFC Championship games under Reid in the decade prior.........all before McDermott was his DC.......and they were unceremoniously knocked out of the playoffs in the WC round in the two seasons he was the DC.    

 

Nobody takes being pointed out to be wrong worse than you on this board.  Instant red head.   Now I know why you want to be a mod. 

 

If one does not understand what someone means by something, one can always ask for clarification.  In this case, I think the meaning was clear by context. It's not "ghetto slang", by the way.  It's a small point, and focusing there does not address my main point -

You attributed to me conclusions not justified by what I actually wrote.  I think in context it's clear why the Eagles making the playoffs is relevant to what I said - it shows they were a talented team accustomed to recent winning, before (among other changes) Reid chose to hire an OL coach as his DC and they wound up 8-8 (despite an all-pro season from McCoy and career high YPG from Vick) then 4-12, with Reid fired.

 

As for the bolded, I must recognize you a far superior talent in this regard.   Absent actual information (such as why/how I became a mod) you are endlessly creative at fabricating stuff you can use as sneers and personal attacks, and apparently unconcerned for any effect this practice might have on your overall credibility. 

 

C'est la Vie.  I'm done here.

 

 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Bring it on. Bring. It. On. 

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If one does not understand what someone means by something, one can always ask for clarification.  In this case, I think the meaning was clear by context. It's not "ghetto slang", by the way.  It's a small point, and focusing there does not address my main point -

You attributed to me conclusions not justified by what I actually wrote.  I think in context it's clear why the Eagles making the playoffs is relevant to what I said - it shows they were a talented team accustomed to recent winning, before (among other changes) Reid chose to hire an OL coach as his DC and they wound up 8-8 (despite an all-pro season from McCoy and career high YPG from Vick) then 4-12, with Reid fired.

 

As for the bolded, I must recognize you a far superior talent in this regard.   Absent actual information (such as why/how I became a mod) you are endlessly creative at fabricating stuff you can use as sneers and personal attacks, and apparently unconcerned for any effect this practice might have on your overall credibility. 

 

C'est la Vie.  I'm done here.

 

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Can he bring them back with his arm when 5 yard passes won't cut it?  I know I mock but... Im a Bills fan.  At this point he isn't scary to me.

 

He did against Dallas. I think he showed something there. Down 5 just over two minutes left he hit the deep ball for a touchdown. Okay they ended up losing in OT but it was an example of him not just dinking and dunking. His overall passing air yards per attempt at the moment is above Mahomes and just below Rodgers and Allen. You can make a living in the NFL being an intermediate passer in any event. 

 

My concern with Mac long term is less can he go over the top. It is more can he fit those balls in to the real tight windows in the redzone when you do need that bit of extra arm. People think arm strength is about throwing deep, but it's really not. It is about tight windows. There is a reason Josh Allen has zero redzone picks. 

[Scott7975]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He did against Dallas. I think he showed something there. Down 5 just over two minutes left he hit the deep ball for a touchdown. Okay they ended up losing in OT but it was an example of him not just dinking and dunking. His overall passing air yards per attempt at the moment is above Mahomes and just below Rodgers and Allen. You can make a living in the NFL being an intermediate passer in any event. 

 

My concern with Mac long term is less can he go over the top. It is more can he fit those balls in to the real tight windows in the redzone when you do need that bit of extra arm. People think arm strength is about throwing deep, but it's really not. It is about tight windows. There is a reason Josh Allen has zero redzone picks. 

 

Yes, I know about arm strength and it not being about just the deep ball.  Also yes he showed a little more in Dallas.  I did not see that game but I guess I am more getting at not can you win it at the end but can he win a game where they are behind enough that the run game goes bye bye for two quarters.  Looking at the play by play they werent really behind until late.  They actually had the lead to start. Mac still only threw 21 passes that game.

Edited November 20, 2021 by Scott7975

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes, I know about arm strength and it not being about just the deep ball.  Also yes he showed a little more in Dallas.  I did not see that game but I guess I am more getting at not can you win it at the end but can he win a game where they are behind enough that the run game goes bye bye for two quarters.  Looking at the play by play they werent really behind until late.  They actually had the lead to start. Mac still only threw 21 passes that game.

 

And that is a fair question. I think the answer would be - not with these weapons. Not sure how many Quarterbacks could with Agholor, Bourne, Harry and Myers, it would be a small number for sure. The Pats would need to elevate the talent around him for that. 

 

The other point is even if he plays there for 5 years (i.e. the rest of Bill's career) how many times is a Belichick team with a Belichick defense actually going to be behind so big that the run game is out of the window the whole 2nd half? Won't be many. 

 

I'd be surprised if Mac Jones wins a Superbowl for New England. But I think while they have him and Bill they are a perennial playoff contender again. Doesn't mean they will make it every year but they will always be in the 8-10 win territory.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Patriots D are playing scary good. One of the best this year. Watched breakdown Falcons game. noone getting open. They play smart in coverage. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Awwufelloff]

They will win the AFC east, no real weaknesses. The Bills have the better QB, but this is a team game. The offensive line is beyond terrible and we will get exploited because of it. Hope I'm wrong.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

no real weaknesses

 

Their lack of offensive weapons is a real weakness. Even if Mac Jones had less limitations they would have trouble moving the ball through the air consistently. They weren't able to do it even in Brady's last year. They are hiding that flaw with a good running game and very good defense. As Bills fans we know as well as anyone that you can't hide a middling passing offense forever. And they have basically no upside there. For teams like the Bills and Chiefs the passing offense hasn't been elite this year but you know any week it could all come together and explode. The Pats are stuck with what they have. I would compare them to the 2017 Bills. With good coaching and game planning we drew better teams into a dogfight they didn't expect; this formula managed to sneak us into the playoffs but ultimately we were never a real contender.

Edited November 20, 2021 by HappyDays

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

He shouldn’t scare you as a bills fan yet. You have the better QB right now no matter what. 
 

also I don’t know how he would do in a comeback situation but he went toe to toe with the Cowboys and landed a few good deep passes. (Like a 50 yarder that went 75 for a TD)

 

The longest pass charted in the Cowboys game is 30 yds, just FYI.  There's nothing wrong with that, just a fact.

 

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Patriots D are playing scary good. One of the best this year. Watched breakdown Falcons game. noone getting open. They play smart in coverage. 

As noted, their front 7 will give us absolute fits; they D is just as good as ours right now.

 

These are going to be 2 very tough games; tougher than I thought after the first few weeks of the season.

 

It's a good example of how things constantly change over the course of a long season and most teams don't remain stagnant...unless you're the JETS and just suck all the time.

 

LOL

 

 

[RaoulDuke79]

They must go to the same massage parlor as Kraft.