NFL Trade Deadline: The Bills Trade Rumors Thread

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

This feels like a mid-draught post. Weird.

 

It's drought.  You're Dead to Me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though mid-draught is actually quote probable

[Milanos Milano]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

This feels like a mid-draught post. Weird.

Just win a super bowl. Any year that a super bowl isn’t won is a drought. Sorry I have expectations. 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's drought.  You're Dead to Me.

It subconscious. I really don’t want to think or talk about the trout.

[TampaBillsJunkie]

I'm glad we held on to Trubisky. Kind of wish we could have landed Norwell.  Oh well, we are still a damn good team and are going to at least make a deep playoff run. 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Just win a super bowl. Any year that a super bowl isn’t won is a drought. Sorry I have expectations. 

I get it, but that's depressing. Try to enjoy finally having a great team playing great football.

[Milanos Milano]

Just win a super bowl. Whatever you have to do to do it. Just win. No more excuses. 

[No_Matter_What]

33 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

So how many more drafts do we need to sure up the lines? 1 , 2? What if he take me another Ford? At some point you just have to go out and get talent. 

All I know is, if Daboll insist on using Allen as a battery ram, if he gets hurt, he needs fired ASAP. 

I get that you are on a crusade right now, but you don't make any sense.

 

What are you even talking about? At some point we have to get out and get talent? Really? What has been Beane doing past 4 years?

 

You (as well as rest of us) have absolutely no idea if there was any OL available for reasonable price and you also have absolutely no idea if that is what can potentially change outcome of SB.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

I get it, but that's depressing. Try to enjoy finally having a great team playing great football.

I do enjoy it. But we play to win the game. Anything short of a super bowl win is failure. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I'll admit it I'm disappointed.  I feel like we're strong enough everywhere except the Oline to win it. This seasons SB also seems like its there for the taking. Hope I'm wrong, but I have visions of a playoff loss with JA running for his life and no rushing attack. Sorry that's not what I want either. Hope Beane proves me wrong. Its his job to build a SB winner and it's not just the trade deadline today either. Our line being good enough is a mirage IMO and today felt like the last chance to improve it. So shoot me.

Edited November 2, 2021 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[billsbackto81]

15 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s just sad honestly. Knowing how close we are to winning a super bowl. We are a few pieces away and it hurts knowing we aren’t getting those pieces this year. 

It's frustrating. We are a lot closer than many think. You see other teams making moves while their window is there and some realistically don't have the chops, yet.  Beane has done nothing though I'm sure he's tried, within his budget of course. Sometimes I think he's more concerned with Beane counting instead of taking a risk in going for the gold. O line acquisitions are tough because you want to protect your QB. Especially if they're young and franchise material which is why I can't see Jville parting with Norwell unless it's an outrageous offer. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

It subconscious. I really don’t want to think or talk about the trout.

 

I'm actually very fond of trout.  I have a killer recipe that calls for it to be brushed with egg white then crusted with rosemary and ground walnuts and baked on parchment.

 

I also like it whole, brushed with olive oil, sprinkled with coarse salt, and grilled.  If you got lemon infused olive oil so much the better.

[No_Matter_What]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Just win a super bowl. Whatever you have to do to do it. Just win. No more excuses. 

Again, what are you talking about? There are 32 teams in the league and 10-12 of them have realistic chance to win it all. And if Bills don't win it, you will call it "excuses"?

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, No_Matter_What said:

Again, what are you talking about? There are 32 teams in the league and 10-12 of them have realistic chance to win it all. And if Bills don't win it, you will call it "excuses"?

Yes. No more “winning is hard.” Just win it. Just win. Don’t care what we have to do it. If it means making trades so be it, if it means trading up in the draft, so be it. If it means hiring a new OC, so be it. It’s time, it’s time to win a super bowl. 

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, Beerball said:

If Beane would have ever mortgaged the future for the present today was the day to do it.  Time will tell which approach works. Rams almost seem to have a disdain for draft picks whilst Beane covets his.

 

Rams win a SB it was worth it.

Bills eventually win a SB with this core group it was worth it.

 

As an advance middle aged fan I am tired of looking to tomorrow.

 

I might be in the minority; however, I don't ever want to see Beane mortgage the future for the present day. I would rather have the next 15 years of solid, competitive, playoff caliber football with no SB wins, than mortgage the future for a 1-2 year SB run (and maybe a win) and then drift off into mediocrity - again.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

Not a trade, but the Rams just cut Desean Jackson...any chance we kick the tires on him?

 

He's still got top end speed and might be good depth especially if our injury luck runs out at some stage. 

[billsfan1959]

10 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I'll admit it I'm disappointed.  I feel like we're strong enough everywhere except the Oline to win it. This seasons SB also seems like its there for the taking. Hope I'm wrong, but I have visions of a playoff loss with JA running for his life and no rushing attack. Sorry that's not what I want either. Hope Beane proves me wrong. Its his job to build a SB winner and it's not just the trade deadline today either. Our line being good enough is a mirage IMO and today felt like the last chance to improve it. So shoot me.

 

Just out of curiosity, what o-lineman would Beane have gotten in a trade today that would put the team over the top in terms of winning a SB? What o-lineman of that caliber ever is acquired in an in-season trade?

 

Beane has built this team from a doormat to a team that has won 20 of the last 26 games they've played, got to the AFC Championship game last year, are currently tied for the 2nd best record in the AFC, 1st in pts scored per game, and 1st in pts against per game. I'd say he has done a pretty damn good job of building this team toward a SB winner. There isn't a team in the NFL, including past SB winners that didn't have issues somewhere on their team. The Bills aren't perfect, but they are currently capable of beating any team they play. That pretty much makes them a SB contender.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Not a trade, but the Rams just cut Desean Jackson...any chance we kick the tires on him?

He's still got top end speed and might be good depth especially if our injury luck runs out at some stage. 

 

I don't think so.  If he's not happy being the Rams #4 WR behind Kupp, Woods, and Jefferson, he's not gonna be thrilled at being the #5 WR on the Bills behind Diggs, Sanders, Beasley, and Davis.

[BuffaloBaumer]

At least the Dolphins did not get Watson. Bills should have firm grasp on the AFC EAST for a while yet. I think the only piece Beane was after included a beast DE. Looks like he tried but not exactly the easiest to acquire. Season part 2 is underway and it's gonna be fun. Think about being a Browns fan today....wasn't this supposed to be THEIR year? We should all be very happy with the direction and management of this team.

[34-78-83]

I wanted a guard too by the deadline today... So when its speculated or reported that Beane reached out to every legitimate potential suitor for a trade at that position (Beane has shown that he always does his due diligence in this area) that would be an upgrade and got no bites, that's a Buffalo Bills problem that we need to lament? Just making sure I have this right... Also, someone list all the guard trades that occurred today that the Bills "missed out on" so I can be mad that we should have offered more. And no, that one the Jets got would not have been an upgrade.

 

Basically what I am saying is its quite likely the Bills tried to upgrade that position today.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Just out of curiosity, what o-lineman would Beane have gotten in a trade today that would put the team over the top in terms of winning a SB? What o-lineman of that caliber ever is acquired in an in-season trade?

 

Some would argue that Laurent Duvernay Tardif could be a better OG than anyone on our team.  I dunno - he's coming back from a broken hand in preseason, a year off, and was available because a 6th round rookie outplayed him.   So it's not a clear-cut "yeah he's better" thing.

 

I would have like to see us make a push for Brandon Scherff from the WFT.   It's a bit of a risk because he'd be coming back from a knee injury and hasn't played since week 4.  But he's an excellent guard IMO and could be an improvement.  The thing is, he's got an $18M salary and is a FA next year, so you're not gonna see Beane giving up a high pick for a 9 game rental.  I wondered if this might be a case where we send them Trubisky and a lower pick for Scherff and they keep part of his salary, but that's just a lot of moving parts.  I thought that was the most likely case.

 

Teams just don't normally trade healthy, starting OG who are capable of playing at a high level because everyone needs better OL play than they've got

[FilthyBeast]

23 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I'll admit it I'm disappointed.  I feel like we're strong enough everywhere except the Oline to win it. This seasons SB also seems like its there for the taking. Hope I'm wrong, but I have visions of a playoff loss with JA running for his life and no rushing attack. Sorry that's not what I want either. Hope Beane proves me wrong. Its his job to build a SB winner and it's not just the trade deadline today either. Our line being good enough is a mirage IMO and today felt like the last chance to improve it. So shoot me.

 

I think this regime's biggest flaw is they overvalue the talent they have and don't want to concede to failure when it comes to their draft picks and FA signings. Because if they did they certainly wouldn't have kept Addison/Butler and could have used that money elsewhere in the offseason.

 

At the end of the day it's not shocking this team didn't make a trade today because most other teams in the league didn't either, but anything short of a championship this season in Buffalo has to be considered a failure and I think that's when the clock starts ticking on this regime in terms of their long term viability. And sure some will laugh and say this is crazy but this is a results driven league and many other franchise have cut the cord on GM's and HC's that have been successful in the regular season and getting teams to the playoffs consistently, but failing to deliver in the postseason.

 

Bottom line the window is only open for so long in this league and I still don't feel this team is nearly as good as some fans and media believe, but it all goes back to the offseason approach that Beane decided to take in terms of keeping the same exact team intact that fell short last year for the most part. And it will likely be the same reasons this team falls short yet again come next january.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Does this mean we have to see Jon ***** Feliciano back in the starting lineup? 

 

The Magic 8 Ball says "likely to occur"

[BuffaloBillyG]

26 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Not a trade, but the Rams just cut Desean Jackson...any chance we kick the tires on him?

 

He's still got top end speed and might be good depth especially if our injury luck runs out at some stage. 

I feel like with the Ruggs situation, Jackson should be a Raider by breakfast.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

 

This is the second time IN A DAY that "penis" has auto-corrected to "penis" on these boards.

 

😱😱😱😱😱😱

Testing… Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a penis

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Just out of curiosity, what o-lineman would Beane have gotten in a trade today that would put the team over the top in terms of winning a SB? What o-lineman of that caliber ever is acquired in an in-season trade?

 

Beane has built this team from a doormat to a team that has won 20 of the last 26 games they've played, got to the AFC Championship game last year, are currently tied for the 2nd best record in the AFC, 1st in pts scored per game, and 1st in pts against per game. I'd say he has done a pretty damn good job of building this team toward a SB winner. There isn't a team in the NFL, including past SB winners that didn't have issues somewhere on their team. The Bills aren't perfect, but they are currently capable of beating any team they play. That pretty much makes them a SB contender.

You're missing my point, It's not that there was something specific I wanted done. I've suspected all year long the OL isn't good enough, and this was just hoping Beane could pull a rabbit out of his hat.  I could be wrong and the OL plays great and we win the SB. Or it could be that he (we) come up short again. Unlike you I'm not satisfied with just being good for 15 years.

[Dr. K]

40 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Yes. No more “winning is hard.” Just win it. Just win. Don’t care what we have to do it. If it means making trades so be it, if it means trading up in the draft, so be it. If it means hiring a new OC, so be it. It’s time, it’s time to win a super bowl. 

This attitude seems to be, "Don't just stand there, do something!!!!" as if making any sort of trade or acquisition at all is an improvement. It also assumes that the moves that need to be made are obvious, and possible.

 

The Bills could have broken the bank and forced themselves to get rid of other players in order to sign JJ Watt for this season. And he's done seven games into the season. I am so glad that Beane doesn't do his job as if his hair is on fire. That's not the way to win a Super Bowl. 

 

I remember when the Dolphins in the mid 90s spent crazy money to assemble a team of first round draft choices. Everybody was talking about how they had moe talent than anybody in the league. Where did they go--exactly nowhere. 

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You're missing my point, It's not that there was something specific I wanted done. I've suspected all year long the OL isn't good enough, and this was just hoping Beane could pull a rabbit out of his hat.  I could be wrong and the OL plays great and we win the SB. Or it could be that he (we) come up short again. Unlike you I'm not satisfied with just being good for 15 years.

 

I got your point. I just don't think it was ever a realistic expectation that Beane was going to be able to find an elite o-lineman without giving up far more than he would be willing to give - if he could even find a team willing to give up an elite lineman.

 

And don't get me wrong. I absolutely would love a championship. I have been a die hard fan for 55 years. However, I am not a fan of mortgaging the future to do it. It rarely works and typically ends up having more negative than positive long-term consequences.  

[Nitro]

5 hours ago, ngbills said:

Except for an TE, interior OL, CB2 upgrade, Edge upgrade, DT Upgrade, RB upgrade. But no needs other than those. 

 Upgrades are different than glaring holes. 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

He and fans who cheer on no trades will regret this later come playoff time,  not enough to get it done again.  Maybe he can use a second rounder on another guard like Cody Ford

Don’t be Upsetty, have some spaghetti 🍝 🍷 😁👍

 

Go Bills!!!

[Beerball]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I might be in the minority; however, I don't ever want to see Beane mortgage the future for the present day. I would rather have the next 15 years of solid, competitive, playoff caliber football with no SB wins, than mortgage the future for a 1-2 year SB run (and maybe a win) and then drift off into mediocrity - again.

Sorry, I just can't understand this.  In the immortal words of Herm Edwards and all that stuff.  If 1959 refers to the year of your birth then you're just a bit younger than I am. I'm sure you're in better shape than I am, but if it doesn't happen with this core group then the chances of me seeing them win it all diminishes.

 

Once your QB takes a bite of the 2nd contract apple things get much, much more difficult on a team.  Look around the league and tell me I'm wrong.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can you tell us about some of those recent in-season trade-deadline moves for offensive guards?

He can’t, because it doesn’t happen, and he knows it, no one trades a starting level O lineman, especially with the notable lack of truly good O line league wide. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This team is taking a gamble with this offensive line, it’s been poor all season, and I’m to believe that nothing was available?

 

Why would you believe otherwise? Good interior o-linemen do not get traded. Even teams in rebuild mode need good guards. Most good players that get traded, it's because they don't fit into a new regime or they have become disgruntled with the team and requested a trade.

[Beerball]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Can you tell us about some of those recent in-season trade-deadline moves for offensive guards?

I can tell you about an edge rusher with something still in the tank. Things happen. 

 

I realize the people don't want to acknowledge this, but that window is swinging in OP.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, teef said:

no trade anger!

 

 

it's not quite as good as the game day thread anger, but it works on a tuesday.

I’m starting to think you’re  okay, 👍 your skills in sarcasm are unrivaled 😂

 

Go Bills!!!

[BuffaninSarasota]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I get that you are on a crusade right now, but you don't make any sense.

 

What are you even talking about? At some point we have to get out and get talent? Really? What has been Beane doing past 4 years?

 

You (as well as rest of us) have absolutely no idea if there was any OL available for reasonable price and you also have absolutely no idea if that is what can potentially change outcome of SB.

 

not only did he not make any sense, but he confused "battery ram" with battering ram

 

we all the want the same thing - for the Bills to win the SB - but some on this thread act like Beane just needs to snap his fingers harder in order to get "a deal" done...

Edited November 3, 2021 by BuffaninSarasota
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[3rdnlng]

5 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

 

not only did he not make any sense, but he confused "battery ram" with battering ram

Not so fast, it was triple "A" (AAA) so it was confused.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I got your point. I just don't think it was ever a realistic expectation that Beane was going to be able to find an elite o-lineman without giving up far more than he would be willing to give - if he could even find a team willing to give up an elite lineman.

 

And don't get me wrong. I absolutely would love a championship. I have been a die hard fan for 55 years. However, I am not a fan of mortgaging the future to do it. It rarely works and typically ends up having more negative than positive long-term consequences.  

The Rams are a case study in how mortgaging the future isn’t real.

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, Beerball said:

Sorry, I just can't understand this.  In the immortal words of Herm Edwards and all that stuff.  If 1959 refers to the year of your birth then you're just a bit younger than I am. I'm sure you're in better shape than I am, but if it doesn't happen with this core group then the chances of me seeing them win it all diminishes.

 

Once your QB takes a bite of the 2nd contract apple things get much, much more difficult on a team.  Look around the league and tell me I'm wrong.

 

Yep, it does refer to the year of my birth and I have waited a very long time to see the Bills (and the Sabres as well) win a championship. And we have both lived through far more bad years with this team than good ones. I used to feel I would be happy and fulfilled if I could experience just one championship season. But it changed over the years. Particularly when my son, who wasn't quite old enough to understand the superbowl years spent the vast majority of his years as a real fan of this team watching year after year of awful football. It is wonderful to me to be able to see him enjoy what this team has become again. It would be nice to experience that championship, but, not at the expense of mortgaging the future. I'd like my son to continue watching playoff caliber football for awhile.

 

I happen to think as long as Allen is the QB of the Bills, they will have that chance at a championship as long as they keep a decent team around him. That is the best part of having a great QB. 

 

I don't necessarily think you are wrong in what you want or how you think it should be achieved. There was a time I felt exactly the same way. I just don't anymore.

 

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The Rams are a case study in how mortgaging the future isn’t real.

 

Actually, I think that is yet to be determined.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by billsfan1959

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Yep, it does refer to the year of my birth and I have waited a very long time to see the Bills (and the Sabres as well) win a championship. And we have both lived through far more bad years with this team than good ones. I used to feel I would be happy and fulfilled if I could experience just one championship season. But it changed over the years. Particularly when my son, who wasn't quite old enough to understand the superbowl years spent the vast majority of his years as a real fan of this team watching year after year of awful football. It is wonderful to me to be able to see him enjoy what this team has become again. It would be nice to experience that championship, but, not at the expense of mortgaging the future. I'd like my son to continue watching playoff caliber football for awhile.

 

I happen to think as long as Allen is the QB of the Bills, they will have that chance at a championship as long as they keep a decent team around him. That is the best part of having a great QB. 

 

I don't necessarily think you are wrong in what you want or how you think it should be achieved. There was a time I felt exactly the same way. I just don't anymore.

 

 

Actually, I think that is yet to be determined.

 

 

Huh? The Rams have consistently been a contender in the NFL since adopting their “mortgaging the future every year” strategy. And they’ve gotten even better this year.

 

Every year we hear “they have no depth, they are crazy!” And every year, that’s wrong.

Edited November 3, 2021 by FireChans

[Brand J]

Why spend a 2nd round draft pick on a proven, high quality guard like Norwell, when you can just draft the next Cody Ford. 
 

 

 

 

Kidding. Kinda. I’ll trust Beane knows what he’s doing, despite what appears to be a glaring weakness in the interior OL.