Some random observations

[Simon]

The biggest problem with this offense so far is a combination of two factors working in concert to create one larger issue:

1) The OLine cannot sustain protection without help right now

and

2) Daboll wants desperately to take advantage of Allen's arm to hit chunk plays

You can work around either of those issues on its own, but when you combine them, things cannot work. Allen knows it too and he spent the entire first half with one eye on the defensive front; when Daboll adjusted downward in the 2nd half Allen instantly became more comfortable with the knowledge that he didn't have to hold the ball for longer than he was going to have.

 

I don't know what went on between McDermott and Frazier this week, but Leslie absolutely threw every appliance in the kitchen at the Phish offense today. That was the greatest variety of defense calls I've seen the Bills run in forever. Huge props for an exposed secondary holding it all together and giving everybody a chance to cut loose up front.

 

Speaking of the secondary, Dane Jackson played really, really well when he replaced Levi. He made at least 3-4 plays that Wallace never makes. I wonder if we've just witnessed a rejoined battle for the other starting corner spot.

 

Pray for Milano's health every Sunday morning because he's in command out there right now. I didn't agree with the big extension because I didn't think he can stay healthy but I hope he continues to prove me a fool.

 

This is a much better football team with Zach Moss involved in the game. He would have made a significant difference in a lot of down/distance situations against Pittsburgh last week.

 

Ed Oliver just rode a quarter horse through Miami and did it in about four different styles.

 

Feliciano was really bad again in the first half. He got a little better in teh second, but he's got to be flirting with his starting position at this point. I'd very much like to see what Spencer Brown could do to people at LG. 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is not terrible, but at this point he's not significantly better than Klein or maybe even Andre Smith.

 

Mitch Morse has been the best player on the Bills OLine so far.

 

[Beast]

Tremaine Edmunds is a stud. End if story.

[Turbo44]

Spencer brown has never played guard in his life. You’d have to put him at RT and move Williams in to guard, but last time Williams played guard he was really bad

[HappyDays]

Spencer Brown is not a guard. I could be convinced that he should get time at RT though. Darryl Williams looks like someone that got the first big contract of his career and decided to mail it in. I don't think he will be on the team next year.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

Tremaine Edmunds is a stud. End if story.

Couldn't disagree more.

 

There is also a reason why the bills picked up his 5th year and didn't extend him. Cause they aren't sure about him yet.

 

I don't mean to be negative as the defence was outstanding. But if there was one player who I thought struggled it was Edmunds 

 

 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Spencer brown has never played guard in his life. You’d have to put him at RT and move Williams in to guard, but last time Williams played guard he was really bad

I know that and I've about reached the point where I don't care and would still like to see it.

He's not going to be out there having to pull all day or get out on a bunch of screens; he's got to block in-line and run passpro without having ot worry about getting beat laterally. This is not outside his skill set and the Bills are in real trouble at G right now.

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

This is treading on Virgils weekly summary you might wanna to change the headline

 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

I know that and I've about reached the point where I don't care and would still like to see it.

He's not going to be out there having to pull all day or get out on a bunch of screens; he's got to block in-line and run passpro without having ot worry about getting beat to the outside. This is not outside his skill set and the Bills are in real trouble at G right now.

I agree…..Feliciano sucks so bad that we are better off with a LG that has literally never played LG.  

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

10 minutes ago, Beast said:

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

Tremaine Edmunds is a stud. End if story.

what play has he made this season that says so?  the obvious blown tackle today(at least 1)?  that pick he dropped last week that woulda won that game?  End IF story

 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree…..Feliciano sucks so bad that we are better off with a LG that has literally never played LG.  

Yep.

When can you start ? - )

[Brennan Huff]

15 minutes ago, Beast said:

Tremaine Edmunds is a stud. End if story.

He’ll make the Pro Bowl again this year. 

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said:

He’ll make the Pro Bowl again this year. 

i would laugh imoji this butt...its happened before

 

[Beast]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Couldn't disagree more.

 

There is also a reason why the bills picked up his 5th year and didn't extend him. Cause they aren't sure about him yet.

 

I don't mean to be negative as the defence was outstanding. But if there was one player who I thought struggled it was Edmunds 

 

 

 

The man in the middle of a shut out performance never struggles. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

20 minutes ago, Simon said:

The biggest problem with this offense so far is a combination of two factors working in concert to create one larger issue:

1) The OLine cannot sustain protection without help right now

and

2) Daboll wants desperately to take advantage of Allen's arm to hit chunk plays

You can work around either of those issues on its own, but when you combine them, things cannot work. Allen knows it too and he spent the entire first half with one eye on the defensive front; when Daboll adjusted downward in the 2nd half Allen instantly became more comfortable with the knowledge that he didn't have to hold the ball for longer than he was going to have.

 

I don't know what went on between McDermott and Frazier this week, but Leslie absolutely threw every appliance in the kitchen at the Phish offense today. That was the greatest variety of defense calls I've seen the Bills run in forever. Huge props for an exposed secondary holding it all together and giving everybody a chance to cut loose up front.

 

Speaking of the secondary, Dane Jackson played really, really well when he replaced Levi. He made at least 3-4 plays that Wallace never makes. I wonder if we've just witnessed a rejoined battle for the other starting corner spot.

 

Pray for Milano's health every Sunday morning because he's in command out there right now. I didn't agree with the big extension because I didn't think he can stay healthy but I hope he continues to prove me a fool.

 

This is a much better football team with Zach Moss involved in the game. He would have made a significant difference in a lot of down/distance situations against Pittsburgh last week.

 

Ed Oliver just rode a quarter horse through Miami and did it in about four different styles.

 

Feliciano was really bad again in the first half. He got a little better in teh second, but he's got to be flirting with his starting position at this point. I'd very much like to see what Spencer Brown could do to people at LG. 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is not terrible, but at this point he's not significantly better than Klein or maybe even Andre Smith.

 

Mitch Morse has been the best player on the Bills OLine so far.

 

 

Don't disagree with you, but can't explain what is different than last year when this concept seemed to work well.  Same line and pretty much same WR group.

 

While we're talking about studs, not that I'd go quite that far, but Knox played another strong game.  Good catch on the TD, got some good yards after catch and likely prevented an INT on the over throw by Allen.  Think the CB dropped it after being hit by a Mack truck, i.e. Knox.  Granted it wasn't that Knox sought him out, just being in the right place at the right time, but was a hard hit.  Also think I saw him have a good block on Moss TD run too.

[Bubba Gump]

Not sure Frazier had to change too much. Phins o-line is garbage.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

 

The one thing I couldn't figure out, Klein played a fair amount today.  Was someone else not playing or just a case or rotating much more because of the heat.  Last week he had zero snaps.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

The man in the middle of a shut out performance never struggles. 

 

He had 1 solo tackle, gave up a couple completions, got ragdolled several times and was outplayed by his backup the entire second half

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The one thing I couldn't figure out, Klein played a fair amount today.  Was someone else not playing or just a case or rotating much more because of the heat.  Last week he had zero snaps.

Edmunds never played after halftime; treated for cramps.

[B-Large]

So was Allen good today? Seemed like the Defense was berserker….

 

Highlights showed some fun plays, but didn’t show his INT?

 

 

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Spencer Brown is not a guard. I could be convinced that he should get time at RT though. Darryl Williams looks like someone that got the first big contract of his career and decided to mail it in. I don't think he will be on the team next year.

 

Williams had at least a couple penalties on top of his generally crappy play. I don’t know what it is, but he does not look like the guy from last year who earned a big deal. If he doesn’t clean it up, we may see Spencer Brown earlier than expected. 

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Don't disagree with you, but can't explain what is different than last year when this concept seemed to work well.  Same line and pretty much same WR group

Feliciano and Williams aren't the same guy right now and neither is Dawkins.

I think Williams and Dawkins will be OK going forward but Feliciano is a problem.

I think it also took Daboll three halves to get a handle on his greed.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Just now, Simon said:

Feliciano and Williams aren't the same guy right now and neither is Dawkins.

I think Williams and Dawkins will be OK going forward but Feliciano is a problem.

I think it also took Daboll three halves to get a handle on his greed.

 

 

Dawkins is understandable, but why is Williams different?  Mongo shouldn't be any different, but can think of 15 reasons he may be struggling some.  Maybe he needs to start drinking double milkshakes every day.

[Elite Poster]

Allen was okay today. He's missing open guys, this could've been a ~50 point barn burner if he wasn't off. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, B-Large said:

So was Allen good today? Seemed like the Defense was berserker….

 

Highlights showed some fun plays, but didn’t show his INT?

 

 

He struggled in the first half; I though tmost because of a combination of poor protection and Daboll trying to force deeper routes that they couldn't protect.

He was better in the second when the Bills started taking what was there instead of trying to get what wasn't.

The INT wasn't a bad throw, just an unreal play by a world class corner to pick a hot ball off the turf at full speed.

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Dawkins is understandable, but why is Williams different?  Mongo shouldn't be any different, but can think of 15 reasons he may be struggling some.  Maybe he needs to start drinking double milkshakes every day.

 

Maybe it was the two tough matchups vs Watt and Ogbah?

[PonyBoy]

21 minutes ago, Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin said:

This is treading on Virgils weekly summary you might wanna to change the headline

 

Agree. Stay in your lane as they say.

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Simon said:

Yep.

When can you start ? - )

🤣

[Simon]

Just now, PonyBoy said:

Agree. Stay in your lane as they say.

I changed the title so there is not a single word in it that is the same as Virgil's

[Malazan]

25 minutes ago, Simon said:

I know that and I've about reached the point where I don't care and would still like to see it.

He's not going to be out there having to pull all day or get out on a bunch of screens; he's got to block in-line and run passpro without having ot worry about getting beat laterally. This is not outside his skill set and the Bills are in real trouble at G right now.

 

It's getting to the point of "Why not try crazy stuff?" because it's so bad right now. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

The INT wasn't a bad throw, just an unreal play by a world class corner to pick a hot ball off the turf at full speed.

 

Eh it was a bad throw, behind the intended receiver. Usually it wouldn't have been a pick but it was still a bad throw. And he had a throw intended for McKenzie that probably should have been picked because he lofted it instead of rifling it. Allen has not been his usual self the past two weeks. He is making inaccurate throws that last year he was hitting. It isn't time to hit the panic button yet, and I agree the pass protection is contributing to the regression in his mechanics. If he gets out of his funk we could be unstoppable.

[Simon]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Eh it was a bad throw, behind the intended receiver. Usually it wouldn't have been a pick but it was still a bad throw. And he had a throw intended for McKenzie that probably should have been picked because he lofted it instead of rifling it. Allen has not been his usual self the past two weeks. He is making inaccurate throws that last year he was hitting. It isn't time to hit the panic button yet, and I agree the pass protection is contributing to the regression in his mechanics. If he gets out of his funk we could be unstoppable.

That throw was about 6" from perfect.

Not perfect, but not bad either. X just made an unreal play.

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

The man in the middle of a shut out performance never struggles. 

You know he didn't play the 2nd half, right?

[MasterStrategist]

38 minutes ago, Simon said:

The biggest problem with this offense so far is a combination of two factors working in concert to create one larger issue:

1) The OLine cannot sustain protection without help right now

and

2) Daboll wants desperately to take advantage of Allen's arm to hit chunk plays

You can work around either of those issues on its own, but when you combine them, things cannot work. Allen knows it too and he spent the entire first half with one eye on the defensive front; when Daboll adjusted downward in the 2nd half Allen instantly became more comfortable with the knowledge that he didn't have to hold the ball for longer than he was going to have.

 

I don't know what went on between McDermott and Frazier this week, but Leslie absolutely threw every appliance in the kitchen at the Phish offense today. That was the greatest variety of defense calls I've seen the Bills run in forever. Huge props for an exposed secondary holding it all together and giving everybody a chance to cut loose up front.

 

Speaking of the secondary, Dane Jackson played really, really well when he replaced Levi. He made at least 3-4 plays that Wallace never makes. I wonder if we've just witnessed a rejoined battle for the other starting corner spot.

 

Pray for Milano's health every Sunday morning because he's in command out there right now. I didn't agree with the big extension because I didn't think he can stay healthy but I hope he continues to prove me a fool.

 

This is a much better football team with Zach Moss involved in the game. He would have made a significant difference in a lot of down/distance situations against Pittsburgh last week.

 

Ed Oliver just rode a quarter horse through Miami and did it in about four different styles.

 

Feliciano was really bad again in the first half. He got a little better in teh second, but he's got to be flirting with his starting position at this point. I'd very much like to see what Spencer Brown could do to people at LG. 

 

Tremaine Edmunds is not terrible, but at this point he's not significantly better than Klein or maybe even Andre Smith.

 

Mitch Morse has been the best player on the Bills OLine so far.

 

Agree on the defensive playcalls.  Although we did mix it up well against Steelers too, I think this was an offseason focus to be more aggressive.  Ben/Claypool/refs bailed them out a couple times or we might have held them to 1 score.  

 

Moss rebounded from thr fumble well.  Glad to see he was active and involved I. short yardage.  Motor still looks better and should remain the starter IMO, until proven otherwise.  There is a role for each.  

 

Will add.that dline performance today was off the charts.  Guys played with hair on fire, and AJE although not on the sack statsheet gave others opportunities to clean up.

 

 

Things I disagree with:

1. Daboll isn't desperately doing anything right now.  He literally just installed a bunch of new plays/called a completely different style this week. Josh's footwork and mechanics just look off right now.  He's inaccurate with a few throws, leading to longer 3rd downs to convert and missed chances to extend drives.  Granted, I think Josh will adjust and get back on track.  He did make a few really great plays, then a couple very bad misses.

 

2. Feliciano was.really bad in the 1st half, really? He sprung that big run by Motor, with his perfect execution of the combo block and getting to the 2nd level.  Sometimes not sure if ppl know X and Os to understand what they are seeing. 

 

3.  Edmunds is in a completely different class ahead of Klein and Smith (inactive).  Polarizing topic, all I have to say is Coach and Frazier seem to agree.  Klein deserves credit for stepping in and played well.  Missed a couple tackles to start, but had a nice blitz and fundamentally sound. Klein is what he is, not the sideline to sideline or coverage LB that I trust.

 

Go Bills, great team win!

[Mango]

29 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The one thing I couldn't figure out, Klein played a fair amount today.  Was someone else not playing or just a case or rotating much more because of the heat.  Last week he had zero snaps.

I noticed it, and I love it. I think we are better in 3 LB sets.

[RichRiderBills]

49 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Couldn't disagree more.

 

There is also a reason why the bills picked up his 5th year and didn't extend him. Cause they aren't sure about him yet.

 

I don't mean to be negative as the defence was outstanding. But if there was one player who I thought struggled it was Edmunds 

 

 

 

No way, the 5th year options are pretty big money. They are pretty sold on him. Defense feasted today...i dont see the poor play from edmunds. He played solid last week.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Spencer brown has never played guard in his life. You’d have to put him at RT and move Williams in to guard, but last time Williams played guard he was really bad

 

I think the more plausible change is to give Boettger an opportunity to show what he's got at LG.  I think he looked better at LG in the 7 games he started there, than Feliciano has looked so far and he played against some good Ds (SFO, PIT). 

 

The other plausible change is to see what Bates can do at LG.  I thought he was solid at C in preseason and he played well enough not to "stand out" at guard last season.

 

I'm sure the coaches don't want to over-react to one game especially one game where Jon was 1:1 against a Beast like Cam Heyward.  But eventually there's a pattern.

 

28 minutes ago, Augie said:

Williams had at least a couple penalties on top of his generally crappy play. I don’t know what it is, but he does not look like the guy from last year who earned a big deal. If he doesn’t clean it up, we may see Spencer Brown earlier than expected. 

 

Agreed.

 

Frankly, the OL as a whole is looking like a poster for "continuity is overrated".  Dawkins doesn't look like the franchies LT we paid; Williams doesn't look like the RT we gave a good contract to; Feliciano just looks bad.

[Bill from NYC]

59 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Feliciano was really bad again in the first half. He got a little better in teh second, but he's got to be flirting with his starting position at this point. I'd very much like to see what Spencer Brown could do to people at LG. 

 

I couldn't agree more.

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Daboll isn't desperately doing anything right now.  He literally just installed a bunch of new plays/called a completely different style this week. Josh's footwork and mechanics just look off right now.  He's inaccurate with a few throws, leading to longer 3rd downs to convert and missed chances to extend drives.  Granted, I think Josh will adjust and get back on track.  He did make a few really great plays, then a couple very bad misses.

I thought he was definitely trying to push the ball downfield the first three halves of the season and Allen was fidgety because he knows the Oline can't protect that long. His mechanics and comfort level were noticeably different in the 2nd half when the Bills looked to start taking what was available instead of forcing things.

 

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Feliciano was.really bad in the 1st half, really? He sprung that big run by Motor, with his perfect execution of the combo block and getting to the 2nd level.  Sometimes not sure if ppl know X and Os to understand what they are seeing.

 Did you watch him on any other plays? He was missing blocks all over the place and spent most of the half rolling around on the ground.

 

10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Moss rebounded from thr fumble well.  Glad to see he was active and involved I. short yardage.  Motor still looks better and should remain the starter IMO, until proven otherwise.  There is a role for each

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting he replace Motor; they're just a much better team when both guys are involved

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Tremaine Edmunds is not terrible, but at this point he's not significantly better than Klein or maybe even Andre Smith.

 

 

 

Edmunds.......72 blitzes and 0 pressures in 2020.

 

Klein.......first blitz of 2021....gets a pressure and near sack.

 

At some point people gotta' realize that Edmunds deserves a great deal of the scrutiny he gets.     Just too physically talented to not be making plays in this defense.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Mango said:

I noticed it, and I love it. I think we are better in 3 LB sets.

 

3 LB sets means Taron Johnson is off the field so I strongly disagree with this. Klein saw the field because Edmunds was out for the entire 2nd half.

[Chicken Boo]

Tremaine Edwards is not being put in the best position to succeed.  

 

His physical gifts are wasted at middle.  We've gone over this ad nauseam.

 

 

[Simon]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Edmunds.......72 blitzes and 0 pressures in 2020.

 

Klein.......first blitz of 2021....gets a pressure and near sack.

 

At some point people gotta' realize that Edmunds deserves a great deal of the scrutiny he gets.     Just too physically talented to not be making plays in this defense.

 

I'm still not convinced he's as physically talented as everybody keeps saying.

He can't play low, he doesn't change directions well and his hand/eye coordination leaves just a bit to be desired.

His length is great dropping into a cover2, but it's almost like it's the only thing he excels at and that's a simple straight drop into a middle third.