The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 https://fb.watch/7-oQ7lbzN8/ Sorry it's a Facebook link, but Buffalo Fanatics posted the 2001 version of the same play (which was successful) and then yesterday's debacle in contrast. If you don't have Facebook: A) God bless you for making the right choice B) sorry, I haven't seen this anywhere else to share it from 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Didn’t watch the link, but is this the long gain on fake 4th down QB sneak vs Seahawks? Thats what I thought of when I saw us run it yesterday 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Didn’t watch the link, but is this the long gain on fake 4th down QB sneak vs Seahawks? Thats what I thought of when I saw us run it yesterday Yes sir! It's crazy. Literally the same play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Breida and Gilliam didn’t sell the fake sneak well at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Ya expect the one that worked had no wr on the outside and the motion they did have took a defender with them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Yes sir! It's crazy. Literally the same play. IIRC, they even added it to Buffalo’s playbook in Madden the next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Excellent, not EXACTLY the same play with one HUGE difference. Yesterday we had Isiah McKenzie split out wide left, he goes in motion, stops right behind Allen and they hike the ball. What Isiah moving did was have the covering CB on him follow him RIGHT to where the play was being developed. Also in the first play that worked, they moved the TE to the right of the line trying to sell the fact they were going to run and the QB (11) did a better job at selling the run as well. Two huge differences but the motion by Isaiah was really what helped blow it up. Edited September 13, 2021 by RoyBatty is alive 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Yeah that play was definitely Daboll's Master's Thesis for his Clown College degree. The committee advanced him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The earlier play was for one executed much better from the run fake to OL sell out. Not to mention look at the numbers - original play had one guy on the outside vs multiple defenders yesterday partially due to a wr going in motion bringing the QB over. It was plain ugly. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, ngbills said: The earlier play was for one executed much better from the run fake to OL sell out. Not to mention look at the numbers - original play had one guy on the outside vs multiple defenders yesterday partially due to a wr going in motion bringing the QB over. It was plain ugly. one key point is the distance. The Seahawks had to sell out on the sneak since it was 4th and inches. Steelers couldn’t because it was a long yard— they kept everyone at home and played disciplined in the event of a handoff to the RB. Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) I had a deja vu when watching the play yesterday - and it was the play you show here. That may have been the highlight of the Mularkey era. Credit the Steelers staff for their extensive film review. I'm kidding of course... But when I saw the formation, I knew exactly what the play was going to be. If I knew it, I'm sure the Steelers did too. I would have been OK with the QB sneak or a play action quick slant to the TE. Edited September 13, 2021 by msw2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 In his presser, Coach Mac didn't sound too thrilled about the offense "throwing the ball backwards." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: ... Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. Another problem with Daboll's schemes is that any time there's an RB on the field, it's a run. Some pedant will point out the 15% of plays where that's not true but for the vast majority of plays where there's a RB lined up in the backfield, that's what's gonna happen. Allen & Co aren't good enough to telegraph plays and get away with them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 The fourth down play, executed properly, is a QB sneak resulting in a 2-yard gain. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Breida and Gilliam didn’t sell the fake sneak well at all. Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: one key point is the distance. The Seahawks had to sell out on the sneak since it was 4th and inches. Steelers couldn’t because it was a long yard— they kept everyone at home and played disciplined in the event of a handoff to the RB. Also having Breida (the speedster) out there was a dead giveaway that it might be a pitch. Good point. Looking at it more, #41 Gilliam did a horrible job blocking the Pitt defender, Sutton? who single handed beat Gilliam and got the tackle for loss. 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. True BUT as someone else pointed out versus Seattle, and we had a tight formation, as well as all the other aforementioned mistakes on that play. Edited September 13, 2021 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, WhoTom said: The fourth down play, executed properly, is a QB sneak resulting in a 2-yard gain. Well said. Until they stop it, Josh plowing forward should be the call every time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Nor did the line or Allen. If you compare those two plays the 2001 Bills sell the whole thing better. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Josh sold it horribly, but the Steelers DB made the play by not following McKenzie all the way when he went in motion. The Pittsburgh guy made a nice play and blew the whole thing up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Breida began sprinting left right away. That tipped off the CB on the end as well as DE. Had he just casually jogged up it may have worked. Plus a bad sell by Josh. Fitz did it better Edited September 13, 2021 by dezertbill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 It was an awful play call regardless of the execution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, DCofNC said: It was an awful play call regardless of the execution. Executed properly we may well have scored a TD. If that guy On the whiffed block doesn't get him, who does? I blame both the call and the execution. If it were me, I would have punted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Thanks for posting that! The comparison is spot on. The reason it failed yesterday was solely on Gilliam. Had he made more of an effort to block and not just casually come of his stance, I think this is a big gain. But, you can't let that happen!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: https://fb.watch/7-oQ7lbzN8/ Sorry it's a Facebook link, but Buffalo Fanatics posted the 2001 version of the same play (which was successful) and then yesterday's debacle in contrast. If you don't have Facebook: A) God bless you for making the right choice B) sorry, I haven't seen this anywhere else to share it from In 2001 we had a different QB, different offensive players, different coach, different OC, different GM, different Owner. There is no relevance. We could have run a simple QB sneak just like Bart Starr did behind the block of RG Jerry Kramer. That worked in the famous Ice Bowl versus Dallas. That play is just as relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mango Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 If this is indeed the same play, a lot is different. For one, the personel is. It looks like in 2000 the TE is the guy in motion, not your WR. In fact, it does not look like there is a WR on the field in 2000. If the concept was the same, I think Josh did a bad job of selling it is a sneak. It also looks like the snap might have been a little mistimed with McKenzie coming across. He did a stutter like it was a sweep. Gilliam just sort of stands there and lets the play come to him, which sort of keeps Breida stuck in the backfield waiting for the next guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: In 2001 we had a different QB, different offensive players, different coach, different OC, different GM, different Owner. There is no relevance. We could have run a simple QB sneak just like Bart Starr did behind the block of RG Jerry Kramer. That worked in the famous Ice Bowl versus Dallas. That play is just as relevant. Well, no s**t, Sherlock!! But, the PLAY was the same, just not executed as well. That's the point. And, yeah, we could have (should have) did a QB sneak with our 6'5" QB, but that wasn't the OP point for posting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 IT WAS 2004 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Their DB made a helluva play. Feel like ppl are so quick to slam Dabol or the execution by the O but sometimes you have to tip your hat to the D on a helluva play. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: Well, no s**t, Sherlock!! But, the PLAY was the same, just not executed as well. That's the point. And, yeah, we could have (should have) did a QB sneak with our 6'5" QB, but that wasn't the OP point for posting. Well Sherlock, THAT was NOT the exact same play, it was similar but with a key difference. Yesterday we had our WR split out wide, and when he went in motion he took their CB right into the DE spot where he remained. That is the same guy that blew up the play. In the similar (but not identical) 2004 play we had the End in tight formation and when he went in motion it forced his man to follow him and get out of the way. The 2021 play had a flawed design. On top of that everyone else on the 2021 Bills did a poor job selling the play but the Steelers were ready. Tomlin said he watched all of our preseason games and they took note of Gilliam being used as a FB in short yardage situations multiple times. When he saw Gilliam trot out for the play they figured we would this time fake to him and go to Brieda. We made it easier by bringing the wide man in motion and pulling the CB in. They expected Brieda to get the ball whether it was a pass or a handoff. We can find examples of plays that didn’t work yesterday but worked another time all day long but none of it matters. Edited September 13, 2021 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What Isiah moving did was have the covering CB on him follow him RIGHT to where the play was being developed. I would hope that the Bills staff would scout the opposition to see if the CB following an in-motion receiver follows him to the opposite side, or if he stops at the end of the line on his side and passes off the receiver to someone from that other side. Does anyone know if the Steelers have a penchant for passing off a receiver in motion? Or did the CB sniff out the play on his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: IT WAS 2004 Yes. During that winning streak when the Bills were beating everyone by 20+. The Defense and Bledsoe played great from mid-season, until the final week flop. Still hard to understand how they missed the playoffs. In 2001 the Bills coach was Greg Williams and they hardly won any games. Very few well executed plays that year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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