9/12/2021 Steelers @ Bills Post Game thread

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They didn’t… they did nothing to add to their weakness in the secondary or questionable interior line….. really head scratching decision to resign Feliciano.

Yep. If Allen isn’t Allen from last season they aren’t going anywhere.

I mean the weaknesses in the secondary could've been caused by the bad pass rush...all these units are related.  Nobody is covering an NFL caliber wide receiver for 6+ seconds.  I don't really agree with that second point if the defense can turn in performances like that.  Today's offensive effort was like what happened in the titans game last year only our defense kept us in it 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Did anyone notice Cody Ford today? I guess that's a good thing that no one pointed anything out about him. 

 

I don’t think he was called for a hold…I guess that’s a Good Thing

[auburnbillsbacker]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

Can't say I'm with you on that call.  Offense looked pretty bad and especially the passing game.  I'm leaning towards the play calling being the problem but Allen missed a few (he was getting hurried) and there were a number of drops.  All in all the defense looked fine, the offense looked off most of the day and the special teams ultimately lost the game.  The refs had a few close possibly bad calls but I certainly wouldn't say they decided anything.

I agree with most of this.  I don't think they played great.  It's my position that they played better than the Steelers.

[HOUSE]

8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Did anyone notice Cody Ford today? I guess that's a good thing that no one pointed anything out about him. 

 

Yes, he doesn't look anything like DK Metcalf 😬

 

 

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Edited September 12, 2021 by HOUSE

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um…our OL does not play their OL

I do understand that, kind sir.  Are you suggesting that the Bills OL played as well as Pittsburgh’s OL did?

 

To be clear, Pittsburgh’s DL dominated the Bills’OL and the Pittsburgh OL held their own against the Bills’ DL.  

Edited September 12, 2021 by OldTimer1960

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Can't say I'm with you on that call.  Offense looked pretty bad and especially the passing game.  I'm leaning towards the play calling being the problem but Allen missed a few (he was getting hurried) and there were a number of drops.  All in all the defense looked fine, the offense looked off most of the day and the special teams ultimately lost the game.  The refs had a few close possibly bad calls but I certainly wouldn't say they decided anything.

That white INT being called back was absolutely game altering.  Despite that we could've played decently and won still and we didn't do that lol 

[Maine-iac]

Just now, auburnbillsbacker said:

I agree with most of this.  I don't think they played great.  It's my position that they played better than the Steelers.

You only get so many straight up mistakes in a game before playing better doesn't cut it.  Up by 7 and turning the ball over on downs twice and then giving up a special teams TD was probably 2 mistakes to many.  We didn't play that badly but we did make too many mistakes.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I do understand that, kind sir.  Are you suggesting that the Bills OL played as well as Pittsburgh’s OL did?

Pittsburghs OL wouldve done a worse job against Pittsburgh DL than the bills did haha that sentence hurt my brain 

[LABILLBACKER]

27 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Singletary had 72 yards on 11 carries. Maybe give him the ball before it’s out of hand. Keep the Defense honest and then break them over the top with the play action 

Motor showed improvement this preseason and today validated that. We must use him more. We must take pressure off JA. I don't want an unbalanced offense like Dallas. Run the damn play action. 

[scuba guy]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I just scanned through the play by play on NFL.com and counted 4 holding penalties total - 2 on Dawkins, 1 on Morse, 1 on Williams.

 

They were all problems, especially given that the Pitt OL seemed able to hold, hands to the face, whatever, without penalty.

 

What part of “our entire OL got beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated to “Dawkins holding penalties weren’t a problem” in your unique intracranial processing?

Well hap big Ed got held on one play I did mention it in the GameDay thread and his jersey was half off his body and that was on the big pass play. So yes you are correct Pitts was diff holding our dt all day.

 

1,stunt groot got tackled to the ground and no flag

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Motor showed improvement this preseason and today validated that. We must use him more. We must take pressure off JA. I don't want an unbalanced offense like Dallas. Run the damn play action. 

I'm not sure today validated that everything he did was against deep zone pass coverage 

[Maine-iac]

Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That white INT being called back was absolutely game altering.  Despite that we could've played decently and won still and we didn't do that lol 

I agree with all of that.  Wasn't a fan of the call or the hit in the end zone later on which was clearly early but I don't think it cost us the game.

[Don Otreply]

9 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Yeah, he’s been a replacement level player for 2 years, don’t need to see more to know what he is.

You are incorrect, no really, you are, Dabol’s one failing is that he has no functioning idea how to integrate a run game into his offensive schemes, over the last three years he has shown this to be so. 
 

As an example;

 

Singletary had just picked up back to back first downs on run plays, of 12 & 15 yards iirc, and put us well into the red zone, then Dabs calls a run play for Allen when Singletary was so obviously the hot hand and very likely to score a TD during that series of downs. Singletary was running in contact traffic much better than Allen was during the game. 
 

A Pass only offense is an one dimensional offense and is relatively easy to defend against especially when your OC doesn’t know when to use his RBs, this game showed this to be so. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

I agree with all of that.  Wasn't a fan of the call or the hit in the end zone later on which was clearly early but I don't think it cost us the game.

Yea its kind of a semantics thing lol we wouldve won the game if we got that call but we should've won anyway but they whooped us in the second half 

[auburnbillsbacker]

1 minute ago, Maine-iac said:

You only get so many straight up mistakes in a game before playing better doesn't cut it.  Up by 7 and turning the ball over on downs twice and then giving up a special teams TD was probably 2 mistakes to many.  We didn't play that badly but we did make too many mistakes.

Yep.  What are your thoughts on the White interception that got called back?  I didn't see holding.  That was a huge mistake by Big Ben. They got a field goal and we lost points.  

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I'm not sure today validated that everything he did was against deep zone pass coverage 

What I will say for Singletary is that if you give him a hole he'll give you a decent run.  If you have 3 guys penetrating into the backfield he's no better than anyone else.  I'm not sure any of the run game problems start with him.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

12 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

What person on here didn't watch the game?  Of course I did.  Are you blind?  If your eyes work you would have noticed the Bills looked better on offense and defense and penalties are what determined the winner.

Allen was mediocre, receivers dropped balls, run game was awful except for two runs late, and the entire OL was beaten up like a vette at a rental car joint.  But yeah, they looked great 😂

[Apocalypse Nuts]

Has anyone mentioned Dawson Knox yet?  Seemed like he had a pretty good game.  A couple of really nice catches.  Did he drop any?  I didn't see any.

 

And Taron Johnson had a great game.  He was all over the place making plays.

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

Yep.  What are your thoughts on the White interception that got called back?  I didn't see holding.  That was a huge mistake by Big Ben. They got a field goal and we lost points.  

I didn't necessarily see holding but I also didn't see enough pass interference on White for that call either.  I will not disagree with anyone who didn't like some of the calls out there.  I just feel like we stilll could have won the game i.e. the refs didn't lose it for us.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, scuba guy said:

Well hap big Ed got held on one play I did mention it in the GameDay thread and his jersey was half off his body and that was on the big pass play. So yes you are correct Pitts was diff holding our dt all day.

 

1,stunt groot got tackled to the ground and no flag

 

Right, and I saw at least one play where Hughes had hands in his face and was being wrapped like a boa constrictor

 

So I do feel the holding penalties were not equitably called

 

Now was that the difference in the game, probably not - I’d give the blocked punt followed by the TOD for that.

 

But, I just saw a penalty call in the GB-NO game that absolutely just turned the game.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

You are incorrect, no really, you are, Dabol’s one failing is that he has no functioning idea how to integrate a run game into his offensive schemes, over the last three years he has shown this to be so. 
 

As an example;

 

Singletary had just picked up back to back first downs on run plays, of 12 & 15 yards iirc, and put us well into the red zone, then Dabs calls a run play for Allen when Singletary was so obviously the hot hand and very likely to score a TD during that series of downs. Singletary was running in contact traffic much better than Allen was during the game. 
 

A Pass only offense is an one dimensional offense and is relatively easy to defend against especially when your OC doesn’t know when to use his RBs, this game showed this to be so. 
 

Go Bills!!!

A pass only offense is not necessarily one dimensional we are horribly oversimplifying this on this board lol 4-5 wr sets are tough to handle and you can line up in shotgun or the pistol and dump it off to a rb and its pretty much a running play and you also can run designed qb runs and all kinds of other things.  Our offense isn't like we're dropping back to pass every play with only 3 targets on the field. 

[colin]

We had the same yards per play, and 130 more yards, we had a much better 3rd down conversion rate, and we won time if possession.  The fumble cost us a drive, but not much else.

 

The score shows we lost on the blocked punt, and the stats show it as well.  Allen was trash, but pittz d is sick.  The blocked punt and trash penalties killed us.  I honestly think food coaching would have had us walking away winners, but our coaches were worse than our players today.  Lots of trick plays and no bread and butter did us in.

[Maine-iac]

I'd also like to say, no offense to Sanders, but our best two outside receivers in my opinion are Davis and Diggs and I might even go next best (at any WR position) is Beasley.  I would have had those 3 out there to start.

[TH3]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

If it comes with a Suberbowl W, of course. Otherwise it’s largely status quo.

Good lord…it’s one game against a good team and Bills got no calls….punter decided to sleepwalk …Tre got hosed….and made a lot of mistakes……Green Bay is getting shellacked Kc losing at home 

[Georgia Bill]

46 minutes ago, Supe said:

Marino’s one dimensional Dolphins were good - but not good enough to win a Super Bowl. We need to run the ball more. We need to let the O line push forward instead of getting pushed back all the time in pass protection. 

Same with Dan Fouts and the Chargers.   You can have a great passing attack, but need to have some balance.

[auburnbillsbacker]

3 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Allen was mediocre, receivers dropped balls, run game was awful except for two runs late, and the entire OL was beaten up like a vette at a rental car joint.  But yeah, they looked great 😂

I didn't say they looked great, but if it helps your argument do whatever you want.  

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I’m here for the overreactions. 

 

Well it was a good playoff run for a few years.  I just hope us fans don't have to wait 17 years again.

[scuba guy]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Right, and I saw at least one play where Hughes had hands in his face and was being wrapped like a boa constrictor

 

So I do feel the holding penalties were not equitably called

 

Now was that the difference in the game, probably not - I’d give the blocked punt followed by the TOD for that.

 

But, I just saw a penalty call in the GB-NO game that absolutely just turned the game.

Realistically I think the bills just came out flat. After the big run back of the kickoff the fans were going crazy 🤪 No one on the bills side was jumping up and done or even running around.

 

 

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

A pass only offense is not necessarily one dimensional we are horribly oversimplifying this on this board lol 4-5 wr sets are tough to handle and you can line up in shotgun or the pistol and dump it off to a rb and its pretty much a running play and you also can run designed qb runs and all kinds of other things.  Our offense isn't like we're dropping back to pass every play with only 3 targets on the field. 

 

Well, i disagree. I dont mind "pass first" what i mind are all these empty sets that do not even threaten the run. 

[Maine-iac]

We played defense only and ground out wins into the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor.  What we didn't do was make dumb mistakes.  We could have ground out a win today if we didn't turn the ball over a handful of times.

Edited September 12, 2021 by Maine-iac

[Dan]

24 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Dion is clearly not in game shape.

 

Speaking of which, where was Diggs’ extra gear today?  Lots of guys still playing their way to peak.

Who needs preseason 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I do understand that, kind sir.  Are you suggesting that the Bills OL played as well as Pittsburgh’s OL did?

 

To be clear, Pittsburgh’s DL dominated the Bills’OL and the Pittsburgh OL held their own against the Bills’ DL.  

 

“Held there own” against the Bills DL.  Fine choice of words, Indeed.

 

I think Big Ben knew just where he was going with the ball and got it out fast, which makes it harder for our DL to get there (I also saw some pretty rampant uncalled holding - which i would be ok with except the refs were calling it on us).

 

I think something the Steelers D was doing was puzzling Allen and there were a lack of quick hit options for him, and there were uncharacteristic drops and misfires on those that were there

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

I don't get this take. I thought we were MUCH better this week. Holding them to sub-300 yards of offense is no easy feat. 

 

Both sacks and 5/6 recorded QB pressures occur in first half.

 

 

[vincec]

27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I hope the Steelers defense is given some credit here. They were on fire. We never fooled them. No one was wide open. Run gaps closed quickly.

And when they were wide open Allen overthrew the WR

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Well, i disagree. I dont mind "pass first" what i mind are all these empty sets that do not even threaten the run. 

 

I understand, as I used to feel the same way.  I’ll try to find it and bring it back, but Cover-1 and I think Jim Kubiak put out some pretty good pieces on how Daboll uses them to help Allen diagnose coverage.  IMHO he was struggling with that today.  Maybe Pittsburgh really did come up with something we hadn’t seen before.

[LabattBlue]

54 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I find the “refs hate us” excuses lazy and tiresome…. Like did you even watch the game?

Thank you!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

Well, i disagree. I dont mind "pass first" what i mind are all these empty sets that do not even threaten the run. 

Every play threatens the run when the qb can run...they have to spy allen all game which frees up someone in the passing game.  We just didn't execute today and everyone is rightfully frustrated but there were tons of opportunities.  One thing i won't defend is the gadget plays on 4th and short

[Fixxxer]

Damn, that was a really bad game by the offense. The OL was a sieve and Allen was out of synch most of the day. Field position was great today and we let the Steelers off the hook, they played their game and won fair and square. 

first game of the year, a tough loss. Hopefully next week will be a lot better. 

[That's No Moon]

23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I just scanned through the play by play on NFL.com and counted 4 holding penalties total - 2 on Dawkins, 1 on Morse, 1 on Williams.

 

They were all problems, especially given that the Pitt OL seemed able to hold, hands to the face, whatever, without penalty.

 

What part of “our entire OL got beaten like a drum” is reasonably translated to “Dawkins holding penalties weren’t a problem” in your unique intracranial processing?

2 on Dawkins were accepted, two more were declined.

[PayDaBill$]

Watching Browns v Chiefs 

 

Browns Chiefs offense play calling operates at another level.

 

I really like what  the Browns are doing today.

Edited September 12, 2021 by PayDaBill$