Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Yet they picked up two top end TEs in free agency. Ha ha nice try though. Money changes Everything I said, Money! Money changes everything Being a TE who will get a lot of attention in a run-first, short-pass offense is a bit different than being an underutilized deep threat That said - Harry's problems seem to go deeper than having a good QB to throw him bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: You mean two guys that hadn't been there before? NE spent a lot of money this year though, managed to make this list twice. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2937516-the-nfls-2021-all-overpaid-free-agency-team So these grown ass men signed and NEVER got the 411 on BB? Ha ha Nah why would they not do their homework on where they are signing first..ha ha This a joke. Ha ha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Yet they picked up two top end TEs in free agency. Ha ha nice try though. Henry and Smith are "top end" TE's? You could make the argument for Henry being top 10, but Smith has never averaged more than 30 yards per game in his career. He averaged 5 yards per game more than Knox did in 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Money changes Everything I said, Money! Money changes everything Being a TE who will get a lot of attention in a run-first, short-pass offense is a bit different than being an underutilized deep threat That said - Harry's problems seem to go deeper than having a good QB to throw him bombs The premise is...offensive players wouldn’t want to play for BB. That is a lie. Yes not every coach is for every player but that doesn't mean BB can't get players to play for him.. I mean didn't L.Bell blast Andy Reid and said he wouldn't play for him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 He can join our Practice Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Henry and Smith are "top end" TE's? You could make the argument for Henry being top 10, but Smith has never averaged more than 30 yards per game in his career. He averaged 5 yards per game more than Knox did in 2020. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tight-end-rankings-2021-nfl-season They were 1st and 3rd respectively in this year free agent class. And Has Hunter ranked 10th And Smith ranked 12th Among tight ends... Edited July 6, 2021 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: The premise is...offensive players wouldn’t want to play for BB. That is a lie. Yes not every coach is for every player but that doesn't mean BB can't get players to play for him.. I mean didn't L.Bell blast Andy Reid and said he wouldn't play for him again? The premise was that Belichick's hard ass routine is running thin without the Ws and historically great QB there putting up with him. It's hard for things to wear down if you're not there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 58 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: With the 32nd pick in the NFL Draft the New England Patriots select N'Keal Harry. 😕 In the same draft we have: Deebo Samuel @ 36 AJ Brown @ 51 DK Metcalf @ 64 Terry McLaurin @ 76 😂😂😂😂 To be fair, Harry was either top rated or one of the top rated WR's on just about everyones board that draft. To further be fair, he was hurt his rookie season and got stuck playing on one of the worst passing offenses in the league last season. So I would say its quite premature to write off Harry at this point, doesn't mean he wont prove to be a bust, but it's definitely premature to call him that now IMHO. Going into that draft, I was very high on all those WR's you listed, but the guy I was screaming for was DK Metcalf all through the off season and on draft night. Terry McLaurin was another one I was very high on and really wanted once DK was off the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Trainer blames Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: The premise was that Belichick's hard ass routine is running thin without the Ws and historically great QB there putting up with him. It's hard for things to wear down if you're not there. Are you really trying to use N'Kneal Harry as a point to this premise? A QB who played 20 years for him..and would of stayed if they payed him. Edited July 6, 2021 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just now, Ghost_002! said: Are you really trying to use N'Kneal Harry as a point to this premise? A QB who played 20 years for him..and would of stayed if they payed him.. Well this is the latest thing I also used the Patriots leading the league in opt outs last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-tight-end-rankings-2021-nfl-season Has Hunter ranked 10th And Smith ranked 12th First of all...PFF? HAHAHA I would place more credence in a ranking system that drew names randomly out of a hat. Second, I guess my bar for "top TEs" is higher than yours. Is the 12th best TE really a top TE? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: First of all...PFF? HAHAHA I would place more credence in a ranking system that drew names randomly out of a hat. Second, I guess my bar for "top TEs" is higher than yours. Is the 12th best TE really a top TE? Emm tell me where does Bills TE rank? Tell me you wouldn't rather have anyone of them on your team? 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Well this is the latest thing I also used the Patriots leading the league in opt outs last year. Ha ha they all came back....only one retired. Hightower opted out because his girlfriend/wife (idk) was having a baby and he didn't wanna to risk his babies health. Edited July 6, 2021 by Ghost_002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Logic doesnt check out. Why would he want a trade when he can hand pick where he goes post cut? Very logical actually, doesn't want to get cut and be "damaged goods". He might be out of the league son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I love all the bad things going on with the Pats. It shows when Brady left Belichick is losing control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, Limeaid said: He reminds me of Zay Jones, a WR from Eastern NC, that we drafted who was "unstoppable" in college and whose game did not translate to the pros. That's what I thought so since you beat me to it, all I have left is the snark I was going to include in my post: Next thing we'll hear about Harry is he running around naked threatening to jump out a window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said: Emm tell me where does Bills TE rank? Tell me you wouldn't rather have him on your team? He certainly doesn't rank in "top TEs," but I fail to see how that helps your point. Smith is far from a top TE. He averaged less than 30 YPG last season. He is a good TE but far from top tier. *I would be willing to bet that Knox has better stats than Smith for 2021. (assuming the Bills do not sign Ertz) PS. PFF ranked Josh Allen 23rd entering the 2020 season. Another home run prediction by PFF! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: He certainly doesn't rank in "top TEs," but I fail to see how that helps your point. Smith is far from a top TE. He averaged less than 30 YPG last season. He is a good TE but far from top tier. *I would be willing to bet that Knox has better stats than Smith for 2021. (assuming the Bills do not sign Ertz) PS. PFF ranked Josh Allen 23rd entering the 2020 season. Another home run prediction by PFF! Top 5, nope, barely missed top 10 ranking that aint bad..but if you want to do the research yourself since PFF is not credible to you be my guess tell me what you find What was Knox's numbers compared to Smith last year? And Allen was not lighting anything on fire going into this past season so that seemed to be a fair assessment of him. Th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 It must not be as much fun for a Pats* fan to troll the Bills' message board anymore. Pats* Troll 2018: "The sky is falling in Buffalo!" Pats* Troll 2021: "The sky isn't falling in New England!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Ha ha they all came back....only one retired Congratulations they did what everyone else did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said: Top 5, nope, barely missed top 10 ranking that aint bad..but if you want to do the research yourself since PFF is not credible to you be my guess tell me what you find What was Knox's numbers compared to Smith last year? And Allen was not lighting anything on fire going into this past season so that seemed to be a fair assessment of him. Th Knox averaged 24 YPG while Smith averaged 29.8 YPG. Knox did not have a good year last year and needs to improve in his 3rd season. Smith is a good TE, but to claim that he is one of the top TEs is a huge stretch. I'm not going to argue this point any longer because we will clearly not see eye to eye. I guess we will see this season who is correct. Allen showed plenty of signs that he would improve significantly in his 3rd season. PFF is a joke. Anyone who ranked Cam Newton, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jimmy Garapollo, etc. ahead of Josh Allen entering the 2020 season loses any shred of credibility they might have had. If you feel that was a "fair" assessment, you too have no credibility. Edited July 6, 2021 by HereComesTheReignAgain 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: 2. Harry is just upset because his rookie QB looks like a middle aged congressman smoking a cigar in a tweed jacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Based upon some of the answers, I am thinking produce clerk at Big Y markets. If he works real hard maybe manager someday.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had the impression Harry was targetted infrequently because he was struggling to get open It doesn't help that he only caught 50% and 57.9% of his targets, either. This sort of reminds me of Sammy Watkins in B'lo demanding more targets. In hindsight, Sammy Watkins acknowledges that he himself was the cause of many of his struggles here - that he wasn't in the playbook, wasn't working hard in practice, wasn't following the rehab programs the doctors and trainers laid out for him. Sammy is at least an NFL caliber player. Harry may be out of the league in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Knox averaged 24 YPG while Smith averaged 29.8 YPG. Knox did not have a good year last year and needs to improve in his 3rd season. Smith is a good TE, but to claim that he is one of the top TEs is a huge stretch. I'm not going to argue this point any longer because we will clearly not see eye to eye. I guess we will see this season who is correct. Allen showed plenty of signs that he would improve significantly in his 3rd season. PFF is a joke. Anyone that ranked Cam Newton, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jimmy Garapollo, etc. ahead of Josh Allen entering the 2020 season loses any shred of credibility they might have had. [b] If you feel that was a "fair" assessment, you too have no credibility.[/b] Josh Allen was not a good passer his first two seasons in the league. Thats not lacking credibility. That's being real and was pretty much everyone's assessment if you aren't a fan. And the pats TEs are weapons. Cool they are not top 5...one is top 10 (that's not a stretch) both are better options then what any other team in this division can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said: Josh Allen was not a good passer his first two seasons in the league. Thats not lacking credibility. That's being real and was pretty much everyone's assessment if you aren't a fan. And the pats TEs are weapons. Cool they are not top 5...one is top 10 (that's not a stretch) both are better options then what any other team in this division can offer. Pretty sure Mike Gesiki still exists. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Pretty sure Mike Gesiki still exists. Agree there. To me he's the best in the division at the moment. Guy seems to make plays - and makes them down the field for TDs and 1st downs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dneveu said: Agree there. To me he's the best in the division at the moment. Guy seems to make plays - and makes them down the field for TDs and 1st downs. Here's hoping they don't get him extended and Tua implodes this year, he'd be a great FA add next year. Edited July 6, 2021 by Warcodered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Pretty sure Mike Gesiki still exists. You are right. First time in this thread that u were. Good job 👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: For what it's worth, Harry was rated just as good, if not better, of a prospect as any of them. But I do love the way this has shaken out for the Pats. Leave it to Belichick to pick the loser out of the bunch! I love seeing him get exposed a bit without Tommy playing along with his act. Drafting is not and never has been his forte, and without the GOAT playing QB for you, you need to draft well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Ghost_002! said: Yet they picked up two top end TEs in free agency. Ha ha nice try though. What will it take for you and the rest of the Pats fans to realize it’s over? Do you think at some point you will look back and say “yea, we should’ve known it was done in 2020 with Cam”? What will it take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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H2o Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Hence why they went for broke in FA. It's been in shambles since BB's dog took over. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Just now, H2o said: Hence why they went for broke in FA. It's been in shambles since BB's dog took over. That dog is awkwardly judging Belicheat’s draft board in this pic. That look on his face says it all. He wants to be a good boy because he wants a treat, but he also feels the need to dogsplain how to evaluate college talent…. Quite the quandry 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_002! Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: What will it take for you and the rest of the Pats fans to realize it’s over? Do you think at some point you will look back and say “yea, we should’ve known it was done in 2020 with Cam”? What will it take? What sense are you making? Where in this thread have I said anything about winning a championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Harry doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene. 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: He's got a daytime job, he's doing alright. He can play the honky-tonk like anything Saving it up for Friday night (now we know what the problem is - needed to save it up for Sunday) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: With the 32nd pick in the NFL Draft the New England Patriots select N'Keal Harry. 😕 In the same draft we have: Deebo Samuel @ 36 AJ Brown @ 51 DK Metcalf @ 64 Terry McLaurin @ 76 😂😂😂😂 It was a terrible pick, and I love it. Maybe he and Zay Jones can try to find teams with 'real QBs'. Clearly that is the issue with both. 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 16 minutes ago, H2o said: Hence why they went for broke in FA. It's been in shambles since BB's dog took over. Dog, regarding draft picks: "That's ruff!" Edited July 6, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Let the chaos reign in NE, this is wonderful, the more the merrier, face it except for the money no one actually wants to play for that pile of 💩 team, this, on top of Gilmore, the foundation is cracking in NE, 😁👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, H2o said: Hence why they went for broke in FA. It's been in shambles since BB's dog took over. Someone needs to throw New England a bone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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