KennyDavisEyes Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: How many people have to die from this virus for you to understand the concept of vaccinations? Apparently over 600k in the US and millions worldwide aren’t enough. Give us a number of deaths beyond which you’d get concerned. Give me the percentage of guaranteed survival one needs when you walking out of the door in the morning? It ain’t ever gonna be 100% - that’s the way it is and the way it’s always been. And obsessing over unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease and obsessing over the lamentable need to control other free-life-forms will put you in a grave much sooner than Covid will. Thats a stone cold lock. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: It’s not apples to apples comparison. You’re talking about vaccines that have been around decades vs this rigged up thing. Ppl aren’t going to follow the nanny state protocols whenever and wherever they can, so buckle up. The NFL and the Bills organizations aren’t the state. The protocols will exist and organizations will follow them like concussion protocols. And I think you may be editorializing a bit by calling the vaccine a “rigged up thing” pretty funny actually. If Cole has concerns about safety maybe he should move into the stadium and only play home games because travel is far riskier than the vaccines, 300,000,000 doses in the US and no deaths attributed. 2 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: Give me the percentage of guaranteed survival one needs when you walking out of the door in the morning? It ain’t ever gonna be 100% - that’s the way it is and the way it’s always been. And obsessing over unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease and obsessing over the lamentable need to control other free-life-forms will put you in a grave much sooner than Covid will. Thats a stone cold lock. “Obsessing” you really do love your editorializing to concoct a point. Also 600k died from COVID last year are you saying more died from worry? Seems unlikely. Edited June 20, 2021 by Batman1876 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: I would prefer that players can get vaccinated or not get vaccinated. And I would prefer that no player’s activities were impinged whatsoever. Ppl who want the vaccine have it. People who don’t, don’t. That’s it. Ball game over. Fat Lady is singing. And yet, we have this: How is this happening, if the ball game is over and the Fat Lady is singing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And yet, we have this: How is this happening, if the ball game is over and the Fat Lady is singing? He seems to be under the faulty impression that an individual choosing not to get vaccinated has no effect of the community. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I support Cole 1000% 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Buffalo619 said: Big assumption testing and reporting is accurate… A year of pandemic has shown that if anything testing and reporting is understating the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyDavisEyes Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And yet, we have this: How is this happening, if the ball game is over and the Fat Lady is singing? Because everyone (in this magnificent country) has had the opportunity to exercise their free will. We’re so deep into the show that that fat mama is currently taking her off-stage-smoke-break while the crowd yells and chants for the encore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Buffalo619 said: I also support Beasley 1000%. We need more role models like him. What exactly is he role modeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: I also support Beasley 1000%. We need more role models like him. Unreal. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: A year of pandemic has shown that if anything testing and reporting is understating the problem. 1 minute ago, KennyDavisEyes said: Because everyone (in this magnificent country) has had the opportunity to exercise their free will. We’re so deep into the show that that fat mama is currently taking her off-stage-smoke-break while the crowd yells and chants for the encore. I get your free will and free choice argument, I agree with it. I don’t get your argument when it comes to being free from the consequences of our actions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Unreal. How dare you chastise a future wall of fame player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: The reality is that non-immunized ppl don’t GAFF that they are “at higher risk.” Quit making victims out of ppl that aren’t. That’s all well and good that non-immunized people don’t GAFF, but that doesn’t change the reality that they are at higher risk to contract and spread the virus. And if they are a key player(s) or manage to spread an infection to a key player(s), then they are a detriment to team success. I have to laugh at your last sentence. The only people I see playing the victim card are those that equate adherence to sound public health policy (proven to work time and time again thoughout history, btw) to losing their “freedom.” 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: As a former marine, no it’s not, the reasoning behind being vaccinated is constant, military or civilian. We’re getting our messages crossed here. I changed my display name to BobbyC81 and Chandler#81 responded with “Hey!”. I assumed he was talking about my ID, to which I responded “It’s enough different” Sorry that I didn’t make this clearer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 6 hours ago, H2o said: I actually don't believe it helps or protects, but on the contrary I don't want to take the chance of self inflicted harm that could come from it. Either be that to me or at my hands to my children. The question is posed for those who believes it does make them "safe" from the effects. I'd rather take my chances with me and my children having remained healthy through this entire ordeal. Why do you think that the number of those infected and dying has dramatically decreased since we started mass vaccinations? Like really dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: I also support Beasley 1000%. We need more role models like him. He is a true inspiration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: And obsessing over unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease and obsessing over the lamentable need to control other free-life-forms will put you in a grave much sooner than Covid will. Thats a stone cold lock. Jesus ***** Christ. "unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease". I would like to introduce you to St Louis Firefighter Rodney L. Heard. Oh, I can't. He died June 16th. https://www.facebook.com/StLouisFireDepartment/posts/1970176336481381 Quote It is with deep sorrow and profound sadness that we announce the Line of Duty Death of St. Louis Firefighter, Rodney L. Heard. After a courageous battle with COVID-19, Firefighter Heard succumbed to the illness. During this difficult time, we ask that you keep the family and friends of Firefighter Heard uplifted in prayer and thoughts. When I look at that picture, I see a veteran firefighter in overall good health, a man who served his community for 20 years and left a family - wife and children - to grieve. I also see a death that didn't have to happen. Covid vaccine was available to this man back in February and even if he got sick, would have most likely prevented serious disease. Who knows what information or misinformation prompted him to decline it? Will his family say at his funeral: "we're so glad he maintained his bodily autonomy and exercised his personal choice to avoid the vaccine" When you look at that picture, I guess you see an "unhealthy life form". Pardon me, but I think that makes you..... ....rather than saying, I'm just gonna tell a little story. One of the biggest chills I ever got was at a high school graduation, the year before my daughter graduated. A teammate on her varsity volleyball team was the orphan of a firefighter killed in the line of duty. Just before the graduation started, this long line of firefighters started to file in. They all stood against the wall at attention, waiting for her to receive her diploma, the daughter of their 12 year dead Brother who couldn't be there. Beasley says if you're vaccinated what I do doesn't affect you. Whether you can't understand it or choose not to, that's just Bull. The vaccine isn't 100%, so the more people are vaccinated the fewer breakthrough infections of vaccinated and the lower the spread overall. I care about my fellow man. I don't want to see that firefighter's family left grieving because he didn't get vaccinated and came into contact with someone infected. I don't want to see that long line of firefighters filing in when his orphaned child graduates. I'm done here. When I lose my temper and find myself cussing and wanting to call someone ill names, it's time to be done. "Unhealthy life form." Jesus. 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s all well and good that non-immunized people don’t GAFF, but that doesn’t change the reality that they are at higher risk to contract and spread the virus. And if they are a key player(s) or manage to spread an infection to a key player(s), then they are a detriment to team success. I have to laugh at your last sentence. The only people I see playing the victim card are those that equate adherence to sound public health policy (proven to work time and time again thoughout history, btw) to losing their “freedom.” Can you imagine if COVID caused a high mortality rate in children, and the vaccine (as this one is) wasn’t yet approved for kids, and there were uninformed jerk “role models” like Beasley spouting off about “it’s my life and my body”? This debate would get really ugly then. As a parent, you’re damn right I’d be ready to have the government jab a needle in his meathead arm. SMH… If this were polio, the “freedom” crowd would be an existential threat to society. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Thank you for writing this. I have been involved in both clinical and basic science research for over 40 years. The loss of 600k people plus the unknown number of individuals with long term complications from Covid are a tragedy. And another is how this pandemic has exposed the ignorance of our society to basic concepts of science. Some of this is simply because they have not had the education, but what is truly frightening is the willful ignorance of people to just discount things like facts and data. There is someone in this thread who literally used the phrase "science worshipers" wth? 4 1 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 32 minutes ago, Capco said: I'm disgusted by the selfishness I've seen today in this thread. I need a break. And a drink. It officially Jumped the Shark for me just now. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Hopefully he retires. Me first attention *****. Dont need it around the locker room. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It officially Jumped the Shark for me just now. It jumped the shark when Beas tweeted, basically, that someone should autopsy the 600,000 dead because - did they really die of COVID? There is a way to make a personal choice with discretion and class, within the confines of his teammates’ decision about how to deal with the issue publicly, and mindful of his status as an athlete whom kids look up and listen to. “Recount the bodies” is the opposite of all of that. I’m sorry, it just is. I’ll stop posting about it though. 6 1 2 4 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Can you imagine if COVID caused a high mortality rate in children, and the vaccine (as this one is) wasn’t yet approved for kids, and there were uninformed jerk “role models” like Beasley spouting off about “it’s my life and my body”? This debate would get really ugly then. As a parent, you’re damn right I’d be ready to have the government jab a needle in his meathead arm. SMH… If this were polio, the “freedom” crowd would be an existential threat to society. Thankfully it doesn't . And this country was founded on the basis of personal freedom. If idiots don't want to get vaxxed it is their stupid right.. compulsory vaccination in the most free country on Earth flies against everything And there are thousands of parents who do not get there children the vaccines now Hence why there are cases again from eradicated virus And I have every vaccination but i 💯% believe in the right to chose Edited June 20, 2021 by Buffalo716 1 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyDavisEyes Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s all well and good that non-immunized people don’t GAFF, but that doesn’t change the reality that they are at higher risk to contract and spread the virus. And if they are a key player(s) or manage to spread an infection to a key player(s), then they are a detriment to team success. I have to laugh at your last sentence. The only people I see playing the victim card are those that equate adherence to sound public health policy (proven to work time and time again thoughout history, btw) to losing their “freedom.” The unafraid are always more free than the petrified. 1 2 3 1 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: Give me the percentage of guaranteed survival one needs when you walking out of the door in the morning? It ain’t ever gonna be 100% - that’s the way it is and the way it’s always been. And obsessing over unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease and obsessing over the lamentable need to control other free-life-forms will put you in a grave much sooner than Covid will. Thats a stone cold lock. You really are something special 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyDavisEyes Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Just now, Process said: You really are something special 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, Capco said: I'm not attempting to predict the future. All I'm saying is that if the states wanted to compel vaccination, they have the power to do so for every single person that does not have a genuine medical excuse. Like the power they have to prohibit illegal drugs and guns. I think rioting and property damage are prohibited, that's going well. Forced vax is specious. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Thankfully it doesn't . And this country was founded on the basis of personal freedom. If idiots don't want to get vaxxed it is their stupid right.. compulsory vaccination in the most free country on Earth flies against everything And there are thousands of parents who do not get there children the polio vaccine yearly now Hence why there are polio cases again And I have every vaccination but i 💯% believe in the right to chose I promise this really is my last post in this thread - but I just got a list of the vaccinations my kid has to have or he won’t be allowed in the public middle school in our district. That may not be the case everywhere but it is in the Northeast for sure and has been for decades. 7 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Jesus ***** Christ. "unhealthy life-forms dying from a disease". I would like to introduce you to St Louis Firefighter Rodney L. Heard: https://www.facebook.com/StLouisFireDepartment/posts/1970176336481381 When I look at that picture, I see a veteran firefighter in overall good health, a man who served his community for 20 years and left a family - wife and children - to grieve. I also see a death that didn't have to happen. Covid vaccine was available to this man back in February and even if he got sick, would have most likely prevented serious disease. Who knows what information or misinformation prompted him to decline it? Will his family say at his funeral: "we're so glad he maintained his bodily autonomy and exercised his personal choice to avoid the vaccine" When you look at that picture, I guess you see an "unhealthy life form". Pardon me, but I think that makes you..... ....rather than saying, I'm just gonna tell a little story. One of the biggest chills I ever got was at a high school graduation, the year before my daughter graduated. A teammate on her varsity volleyball team was the orphan of a firefighter killed in the line of duty. Just before the graduation started, this long line of firefighters started to file in. They all stood against the wall at attention, waiting for her to receive her diploma, the daughter of their 12 year dead Brother who couldn't be there. Beasley says if you're vaccinated what I do doesn't affect you. Whether you can't understand it or choose not to, that's just Bull. The vaccine isn't 100%, so the more people are vaccinated the fewer breakthrough infections of vaccinated and the lower the spread overall. I care about my fellow man. I don't want to see that firefighter's family left grieving because he didn't get vaccinated and came into contact with someone infected. I don't want to see that long line of firefighters filing in when his orphaned child graduates. I'm done here. When I lose my temper and find myself cussing and wanting to call someone ill names, it's time to be done. "Unhealthy life form." Jesus. Yeah, I cringed when I read that post. I’m done with that particular board member. Perhaps someone should send the details of Mr. Heard’s death to Beasley who said he needed to see the cause of death for all 600k Covid victims before he could believe they died of Covid. Yeah, Bease, it’s all a big lie buddy. I’m pretty much done with Beasley at this point as well. Don’t give two craps if he stays or goes at this point. Edited June 20, 2021 by K-9 5 1 1 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: I promise this really is my last post in this thread - but I just got a list of the vaccinations my kid has to have or he won’t be allowed in the public middle school in our district. That may not be the case everywhere but it is in the Northeast for sure and has been for decades. I'm not anti-vaccination.. I've just been hearing both sides of the argument in this thread Absolutely in state likes New York you need all the childhood vaccinations to go to public school But 43 states have exemptions due to philosophical or religious beliefs, and it's basically an x on a waiver A lot of states technically let unvaccinated go to public schools with vaccinated I think if you refuse your kid a polio vaccine or MMR that's Ludacris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: The unafraid are always more free than the petrified. So those that carry guns for self protection are unfree? Seems wrong. 1 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Batman1876 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: Ppl die every day. You are over emotional and self important if you, as a board moderator, are going to be cursing at someone you disagree with. Again, I’d recommend releasing the stick from your sphincter and letting go of all this worry. Your callous disregard for human life and suffering is disagreeable, someone getting upset at you for proudly stating such disagreeable opinions is reasonable. You are essentially Ivan Drago “if he dies, he dies”. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, KennyDavisEyes said: Ppl die every day. You are over emotional and self important if you, as a board moderator, are going to be cursing at someone you disagree with. Again, I’d recommend releasing the stick from your sphincter and letting go of all this worry. You know what they say if you don't have something smart to say, post it on the internet for people to be exasperated by. 5 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Thank you to those of you who’ve tried to keep the peace. This thread served as a much needed Spring Cleaning. Hopefully fresh crops can now grow. 33 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said: We’re getting our messages crossed here. I changed my display name to BobbyC81 and Chandler#81 responded with “Hey!”. I assumed he was talking about my ID, to which I responded “It’s enough different” Sorry that I didn’t make this clearer. I understood it. Btw, HEY!😡 😉 5 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 This should be watched. 6 1 2 1 1 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/20/2021 at 9:07 AM, FLFan said: He needs a good spanking. He is acting like a petulant, spoiled child. Are you surprised with him being picked up by lineman and acting like he is a baby? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Not trying to start another 100 page debate, just sharing new info: Quote “I said all I needed to say,” Beasley told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “I’m just living a normal life from here on out. I’m not trying to sway anybody in either direction. That’s what I am doing and that’s the end of it.” “I don’t want [to] be any more of a distraction to my team so that’s where I’m leaving it,” Beasley said. Sounds like McDermott and/or Beane reached out to him and told him to knock it off. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 52 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Not trying to start another 100 page debate, just sharing new info: Sounds like McDermott and/or Beane reached out to him and told him to knock it off. Could also be his teammates told him to keep it internal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Sounds like McDermott and/or Beane reached out to him and told him to knock it off As they should....what one would expect them to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 This is embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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