HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 When the post-June 1 designations kick in across the league, look for some noteworthy trades, releases and contract adjustments. Wide receiver Julio Jones may not make sense for the Buffalo Bills this year. But cornerback Steven Nelson might. Whatever happens with these players and a whole lot more probably won't go down until at least Tuesday, when the NFL allows teams to spread a certain amount of salary cap hits of released or traded players over two years instead of accelerating everything onto the current season. The post-June 1 designation also applies to contract extensions and adjustments. https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bills-could-clear-a-lot-more-salary-cap-space-beginning-tuesday 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) "Could" is one thing....but is it responsible, does it actually make sense is something else? All that money they could free up can also be used next off season. I would not be surprised if they free up some cash but with the roster where it is they dont need to go hog wild. I mean if you could get someone of the quality of a Bosa sure but that wont be possible. I definitively see them adding a corner, not sure about Ertz, I guess if the price is right. Edited May 31, 2021 by mattynh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I keep seeing that name Steven Nelson attached to the Bills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I keep seeing that name Steven Nelson attached to the Bills. LOL, EJ Gaines is still out there, unsigned 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Matty, you had to bring up House’s favorite topic in Ertz. I agree I wouldn’t try and overspend at this point. I understand the argument we are close, so go for it, but the opposite is more important. As you said Matt, we’re not going to get a Bosa, or even be able to afford him with all likelihood. I don’t know what CB would be available and it’s important to get the most out of you’re cheap labor (rookie contracts, ie. Dane). I can actually see us releasing some they don’t expect to help the team and will free up cap space for some expensive contracts coming in Allen and Edmunds. Just now, HOUSE said: LOL, EJ Gaines is still out there, unsigned It’s because he slipped on a banana peel. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: Matty, you had to bring up House’s favorite topic in Ertz. I agree I wouldn’t try and overspend at this point. I understand the argument we are close, so go for it, but the opposite is more important. As you said Matt, we’re not going to get a Bosa, or even be able to afford him with all likelihood. I don’t know what CB would be available and it’s important to get the most out of you’re cheap labor (rookie contracts, ie. Dane). I can actually see us releasing some they don’t expect to help the team and will free up cap space for some expensive contracts coming in Allen and Edmunds. It’s because he slipped on a banana peel. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, mattynh said: "Could" is one thing....but is it responsible, does it actually make sense is something else? All that money they could free up can also be used next off season. I would not be surprised if they free up some cash but with the roster where it is they dont need to go hog wild. I mean if you could get someone of the quality of a Bosa sure but that wont be possible. I definitively see them adding a corner, not sure about Ertz, I guess if the price is right. IIt depends. We are currently in the SB window with your franchise QB on a rookie contract. You have to pull the trigger if it makes sense. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, ganesh said: IIt depends. We are currently in the SB window with your franchise QB on a rookie contract. You have to pull the trigger if it makes sense. I don’t think anyone is expecting them to add several big names from here. Honestly it’s a 1 to maaaaaaybe 2 guys that could make a difference being added part of the offseason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: LOL, EJ Gaines is still out there, unsigned Is he walking on his own yet ? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, Putin said: Is he walking on his own yet ? Well, he took the op out for 2020 so he should be well healed by now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Well, he took the op out for 2020 so he should be well healed by now Do you think he can make it to Buffalo without injuring him self ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: Do you think he can make it to Buffalo without injuring him self ? No....lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, Putin said: Is he walking on his own yet ? I think I found him. Nananana, wawawawa. Oh wait he slipped again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Nelson and Ertz would be nice additions. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Putin said: Do you think he can make it to Buffalo without injuring him self ? Hide the floor mats. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, ganesh said: IIt depends. We are currently in the SB window with your franchise QB on a rookie contract. You have to pull the trigger if it makes sense. And as I keep saying, "windows" are for teams without the foundation for continued success. We can afford to invest for the future, rather than having to gamble and go "all in" spending our life savings on a stack of lottery tickets in one shot. Give me a decade of solid success over a year or two of "dream team" any day of the week. This mindset of having to desperately grasp at temporary success will apparently take some time to wean off of after decades of mediocrity. 7 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, ganesh said: IIt depends. We are currently in the SB window with your franchise QB on a rookie contract. You have to pull the trigger if it makes sense. I get the SB window thing but we are also in a 15 year window thing with a franchise QB, coach and GM. They should try and get better, but at some point it gets irresponsibly IMO. I think we have the roster, the team has to perform. There are some areas that can be upgraded sure, what team is not in that position. There are lots of examples of teams going all in and coming up empty. TE and a difference making DL are the biggest needs in my opinion. Ertz is a rental if that was to happen and there are no difference making DL's available. It's time for Oliver to make a leap forward.....that is what this organization is about...player development. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I guess we'll find out how they feel about Star too? While releasing him doesn't save much money ($500K), it's no longer a negative value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, TPS said: I guess we'll find out how they feel about Star too? While releasing him doesn't save much money ($500K), it's no longer a negative value. But the team is still taking a big hit next year. Makes no sense to release Star this year. After this year, doubt he is on the team without a massive pay cut. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I don't pay a lot of attention to capology and all of these opportunities. It makes my head hurt. But I have a few comments. First, I didn't realize the Bills had so many opportunities to generate cap space. Dawkins, Poyer, Hughes are significant names. Second, in terms of acquisitions, I continue to trust Beane when he says free agency is to fill holes, not to acquire talent. Very hard to imagine he'd spend major cap space to sign a Bosa when Beane's just spent two picks on the edge. Beane has made his bet on talent on the edge. By the way, I find I keep wondering what's going to happen with Hughes. It's a crowded room, and the Bills have Epenesa and the two rookies, Hughes is nearing the end and he offers an opportunity to create cap room. The Patriots' way was to let talent go too early rather than keep it too long, and I'm guessing that's how McBeane think, too. As much as I think McDermott likes Jerry, he may be at risk. Finally, I know it's been discussed, but I think the biggest contract issue (including the biggest contract) is whether Allen will decide to take a leadership role and give the Bills a discount. If Allen takes less than the last dollar, and takes it in a way that is clear and understandable to the other players, it gives Beane an opportunity to work on Edmunds in the same way, and on others, too. So, in my mind, the best cap news of the summer could be Allen inking a team-friendly deal. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, TPS said: I guess we'll find out how they feel about Star too? While releasing him doesn't save much money ($500K), it's no longer a negative value. We’ll see. No ones even seen him so I have no idea what he looks like in practice. We’ll find out, but because there is no financial benefit for cutting, he can compete with the other guys and I do trust McD would cut him if there were a better option on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: We’ll see. No ones even seen him so I have no idea what he looks like in practice. We’ll find out, but because there is no financial benefit for cutting, he can compete with the other guys and I do trust McD would cut him if there were a better option on the field. If he is cut then it is not a savings for someone will need to take his place unless it is one of the many DEs signed. IMO the talk about cutting is from people who never liked the signing in first place and has no substance. I still think a 5-2-4 alignment would be best for a lot of downs. An offense lineman would have to handle Star one-on-one and this would give opportunities for other linemen to beat their opposition causing pressure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, TPS said: I guess we'll find out how they feel about Star too? While releasing him doesn't save much money ($500K), it's no longer a negative value. Cutting him makes no sense right now, especially for the money we’d save 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Hide the floor mats. Slipping on floor mats is one of my favorite inside jokes from the dark years. Just so ridiculously Billsy. Poor Kolb. I’ve read he’s got it bad. Wish him the best even though the mats thing is funny. The Buffalo Bills, eternally in a search for a franchise QB, signs a shiny new free agent QB and as he’s running out to greet the fans and media he raised his arm to wave only to slip on some slippery rubber mat left out in the middle of the field. Leg broken career over game over bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I still think a 5-2-4 alignment would be best for a lot of downs. An offense lineman would have to handle Star one-on-one and this would give opportunities for other linemen to beat their opposition causing pressure. I'm not a great Xs and Os guy, but I can't imagine going 5-2-4 in the modern game. That's effectively committing five identified players to the pass rush (yes, you can drop a DE in coverage, but that isn't very effective). Much better to go 4-2-5, which gives you quality pass protectors in the back seven and you can blitz a linebacker, corner or safety if you want to rush five. McDermott always has said that he wants to generate pressure with his front four. I don't see him compromising by going to a front five. He wants push in the middle from a one-tech guy, and he wants this three-tech and his edge guys to win their one-on-one battles. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 4 hours ago, HOUSE said: LOL, EJ Gaines is still out there, unsigned He was under contract but we cut him earlier this offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Let's Go Buffalo Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 It will be interesting to see what happens come June 1st. I guess we'll have to wait and see this week about all the speculation up to this point, but it would be nice to upgrade some roster spots, or at the very least....add some more depth. That's the thing about the NFL....It keeps you on your toes, even in the off season! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He was under contract but we cut him earlier this offseason. Sign him again, he could be the modern day Tashard Choice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 We’ll likely see another corner and if I had to guess, maybe a tight end if the right one shakes free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 I can see a guy like Nelson on a one year contract but that is about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 Stevie is working out at Amherst HS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Is this another Ertz thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted May 31, 2021 Author Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, djp14150 said: Is this another Ertz thread? Why yes I am glad you brought this up. BIG TRADE Zack needs to get the shot then fly to Buffalo. With this new shot McD will smile and be happy. Thanks for asking . Edited May 31, 2021 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: And as I keep saying, "windows" are for teams without the foundation for continued success. We can afford to invest for the future, rather than having to gamble and go "all in" spending our life savings on a stack of lottery tickets in one shot. Give me a decade of solid success over a year or two of "dream team" any day of the week. This mindset of having to desperately grasp at temporary success will apparently take some time to wean off of after decades of mediocrity. The super bowl window with your franchise QB on his rookie deal is a UNIQUE window of opportunity. This is a place where you can gamble and get the difference maker if he is out there and it will still not hurt the team long term. Winning championships becomes harder when you pay for your franchise QB and your draft picks are not hitting it. In a recent Locked ON Bills show, one of the points raised eyebrows is that the chiefs with a franchise QB deal are still about 10M lower in net salary cap space than the buffalo bills; this is for both 2021 and 2022 season... Peeling the envelope, he provided the primary reason for the chiefs being in this comfortable situtaion is their draft picks from Rd 2 through 4 being very successful in the past few years. We are still waiting for Ford, Singletary and Knox to come through; we have hope for Epenesa and Moss...But that is a key difference....These players not developing fast enough means we are covering them with veterans such as Addision, paying for Feliciano etc while waiting for home grown talent to grow. We need our 2nd and 3rd rounders to come through this yeara. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: If he is cut then it is not a savings for someone will need to take his place unless it is one of the many DEs signed. IMO the talk about cutting is from people who never liked the signing in first place and has no substance. I still think a 5-2-4 alignment would be best for a lot of downs. An offense lineman would have to handle Star one-on-one and this would give opportunities for other linemen to beat their opposition causing pressure. I don’t see it either as there has to be someone better than him, as there is no other motivation. He’d have to be consistently outplayed in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, ganesh said: In a recent Locked ON Bills show, one of the points raised eyebrows is that the chiefs with a franchise QB deal are still about 10M lower in net salary cap space than the buffalo bills; this is for both 2021 and 2022 season... Peeling the envelope, he provided the primary reason for the chiefs being in this comfortable situtaion is their draft picks from Rd 2 through 4 being very successful in the past few years. That is not the prime reason for their cap space. Mahomes has a $7.4M cap hit this year. That was due to him restructuring his contract already in March of this year to clear $17.3M in cap in 2021. He has a $35.8M cap hit next year followed by $40M+ for years after that. The KC Chiefs have not had a true hit to his contract yet! So any talk about them doing what they have done has nothing to do with "Franchise Deal". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Slipping on floor mats is one of my favorite inside jokes from the dark years. Just so ridiculously Billsy. Poor Kolb. I’ve read he’s got it bad. Wish him the best even though the mats thing is funny. The Buffalo Bills, eternally in a search for a franchise QB, signs a shiny new free agent QB and as he’s running out to greet the fans and media he raised his arm to wave only to slip on some slippery rubber mat left out in the middle of the field. Leg broken career over game over bills. Tom, doesn’t even this story seem like an SNL skit. If he was more popular, it probably would’ve made it there. Remember all the Gerry Ford slip and falls. Before my time, but saw all the funny footage (no pun intended, well a little). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, djp14150 said: Is this another Ertz thread? No it’s about being stuck with a expensive below average fat asss who should be replaced but his contract has Bean by the 🏀 🏀 Edited May 31, 2021 by Putin 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: That is not the prime reason for their cap space. Mahomes has a $7.4M cap hit this year. That was due to him restructuring his contract already in March of this year to clear $17.3M in cap in 2021. He has a $35.8M cap hit next year followed by $40M+ for years after that. The KC Chiefs have not had a true hit to his contract yet! So any talk about them doing what they have done has nothing to do with "Franchise Deal". CB, it does because they structured this 10 year deal with this in mind, and my suspicion is Mahomes was fine with it. He’ll barring a catastrophic injury see all $450 mil., and help his team keep tons of talent to be in the hunt every year for the SB for awhile. These guys were also smart enough to know there would be a new group of tv deals so the chiefs can absorb these restructures. It was a little evil genius. This is a little off topic, but I read a friend on this board suggest this morning the hometown discount thing for Allen. I don’t ever see that happening in anyway. Why? He’d help the team a lot more to do a similar 8-10 year deal where Josh gets $43-44 mil./yr., but because so long they can go back to the well of Allen for years and when his cap hit balloons who cares because the cap will go up eventually from $250-350 mil. by the end of this CBA. That would truly be the most unselfish thing Allen could do is make that $40+ contract, but that long that they can play with the deal for years. If he is pushing strong 8 years from no, they can extend and do it again. Brady had various versions of this where he still did well, but he kept helping the team get talent. When they stopped helping that problem he quietly had a two year plan to get out, and didn’t whine like Rodgers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: CB, it does because they structured this 10 year deal with this in mind, and my suspicion is Mahomes was fine with it. He’ll barring a catastrophic injury see all $450 mil., and help his team keep tons of talent to be in the hunt every year for the SB for awhile. These guys were also smart enough to know there would be a new group of tv deals so the chiefs can absorb these restructures. It was a little evil genius. This is a little off topic, but I read a friend on this board suggest this morning the hometown discount thing for Allen. I don’t ever see that happening in anyway. Why? He’d help the team a lot more to do a similar 8-10 year deal where Josh gets $43-44 mil./yr., but because so long they can go back to the well of Allen for years and when his cap hit balloons who cares because the cap will go up eventually from $250-350 mil. by the end of this CBA. That would truly be the most unselfish thing Allen could do is make that $40+ contract, but that long that they can play with the deal for years. If he is pushing strong 8 years from no, they can extend and do it again. Brady had various versions of this where he still did well, but he kept helping the team get talent. When they stopped helping that problem he quietly had a two year plan to get out, and didn’t whine like Rodgers. His recent "restructure" only pushed money out 5 years (that's the max that is allowed). The 10 year deal had nothing to do with it. He is playing on his 5th year option this year. Beane and the Bills could do the exact same thing next year IF they chose to do so with Allen. My point was to explain that the writer who is saying they have this "extra cap" WHILE paying a "Franchise QB Deal" at the same time is false. That bill plus the restructure starts coming due next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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