Official Bills Undrafted Free Agent Signings, 7 Open Roster Spots

[Reks Ryan]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

 

Thanks for the data.  I believe that must be counting practice squad.  1,947 players works out to about 61 per team

[MAJBobby]

22 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

Thanks for the data.  I believe that must be counting practice squad.  1,947 players works out to about 61 per team

Which could be right 61 per team without the PS being added seems about right when you go across the PUP and IR guys of each team. 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Tariq Thompson was one of the 4 guys left on my draft board. I was pretty high on him he was my #100 overall. I think he is a nice fit for some of that big nickel stuff McDermott likes.

 

Quintin Morris makes sense too. I watched bits of him and thought he was a PUDFA type who would have a chance of making a PS somewhere and eventually finding his way onto a roster.

 

 

I'm actually a bit surprised by the quality of this UDFA haul..........I didn't think the Bills would do well at all in UDFA..........but with the exception of McCloud these guys were all seen as likely-to-be-drafted back in January before all the gymnastics events pushed them down.

 

Obviously, what these guys lack mostly is explosive traits.   Glad we got your guy Thompson,  maybe he will be an exception.          

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

I wouldn’t have traded up but those 3 RBs weren’t the only RBs in the draft.  Gainwell went in the 5th and is a really good receiver with speed.  Same goes for Carter who went in the 4th.   We don’t have speed in the backfield unless you’re thinking of Breida, who’s never been able to win a job against avg competition.  

 

Breida has 4.38 speed.  Carter is 4.55 which is slightly faster than what Singletary and Moss run.  Gainwell ran a 4.44.  Neither was considered a top prospect either, going in the 4th and 5th rounds.  Maybe they'll surprise but most likely they'll fare no better than Breida.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Doc

[Milanos Milano]

Sucks that Darius Stills signed with LV. Wonder if we will sign a DL with the last remaining slots. 

[gordong]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

Ninety percent of statistics are half made up.

which makes 45% of this total BS...      LOL

[Turbo44]

Still think we need a backup 1 technique behind Star. Whether that comes from UFA or UDFA is the question 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They didn't it as a "need" but they were open to a special player who could be a home run hitter. We know that because because Brandon Beane told us at his pre-draft presser.

 

Special running backs with that talent do not make it to undrafted free agency.

 

After the top 10 picks........ the results for teams picking RB's in the rest of the 1st round have been abysmal for the past decade+.

 

Been some outstanding RB's in round 2 and 3 though so it would be interesting to see a deeper dive why picks 11-35 or so have been bad business for RB drafters.........I have my suspicions why.

 

That said........while there might not be any Derrick Henry's in UDFA........VERY explosive RB's are found in UDFA.........Raheem Mostert,  Matt Breida and Phillip Lindsey might be the 3 fastest RB's in the entire NFL.

 

What matters is getting production from your running game.

[Turbo44]

With their current roster, Jacksonville drafting Ettiene was idiotic. 

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Still think we need a backup 1 technique behind Star. Whether that comes from UFA or UDFA is the question 

 

 

IMO it's only a 50/50 proposition that Star even actually plays this year.

 

The Bills have had PLENTY of opportunities to upgrade their 1T with more of a stationary Star-type between last August and now and still haven't done it.

 

I mentioned it earlier but Danny Shelton literally settled for a $1.1M deal with the Giants a couple weeks ago.  He's younger and better than Star, simple as that.  If the Bills were looking they could have had him with almost no impact on their cap.    

 

So I don't know what the gameplan is there either......... but with all of these outside/inside rushers that they've added maybe they actually are planning to play a lot less 1T.   On paper they are looking like they might even go wide 9 up front........which would allow them to play both DT's in positions that make them more dangerous as pass rushers.    Like double 3 tech's (which they used a little in the playoff game vs Baltimore).     That invites teams to run up the middle.   

 

That wouldn't be Edmunds-friendly.   Klein might be able to handle it though.   

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by BADOLBILZ

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

With their current roster, Jacksonville drafting Ettiene was idiotic. 

Urban said he’s going to use him as a “3rd down back”. Ok then ...

 

he also said that they wanted kadarious  Toney there originally and were “heartbroken” that he was gone

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Urban said he’s going to use him as a “3rd down back”. Ok then ...

 

he also said that they wanted kadarious  Toney there originally and were “heartbroken” that he was gone

So because the Giants made a ridiculous pick given their roster make up, Urban decided that Jax also needed to make a ridiculous pick given their roster make up.  

[Doc]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

IMO it's only a 50/50 proposition that Star even actually plays this year.

 

The Bills have had PLENTY of opportunities to upgrade their 1T with more of a stationary Star-type between last August and now and still haven't done it.

 

I mentioned it earlier but Danny Shelton literally settled for a $1.1M deal with the Giants a couple weeks ago.  He's younger and better than Star, simple as that.  If the Bills were looking they could have had him with almost no impact on their cap.    

 

So I don't know what the gameplan is there either......... but with all of these outside/inside rushers that they've added maybe they actually are planning to play a lot less 1T.   On paper they are looking like they might even go wide 9 up front........which would allow them to play both DT's in positions that make them more dangerous as pass rushers.    Like double 3 tech's (which they used a little in the playoff game vs Baltimore).     That invites teams to run up the middle.   

 

That wouldn't be Edmunds-friendly.   Klein might be able to handle it though.  

 

Considering the Bills didn't look to sign a guy like Shelton or Snacks, didn't draft one, and Star said it himself, Star playing this year is 100% (barring any unforeseen circumstances).

[WideNine]

5 hours ago, Ta111 said:

The stats back up that the RBs weren’t the problem with the run game. Singletary and Moss were both in the top 10 in the league for yards after contact. 

 

Just that the contact kept happening 3 yards behind the LOS.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

So because the Giants made a ridiculous pick given their roster make up, Urban decided that Jax also needed to make a ridiculous pick given their roster make up.  

The Gettleman Effect.  His dumb decisions have helped the Bills land Allen and avoid Etienne.  We owe him!

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

So because the Giants made a ridiculous pick given their roster make up, Urban decided that Jax also needed to make a ridiculous pick given their roster make up.  

I think he probably really liked Toney given things urban likes ... would have been more palatable at 25 than 15 I guess. But it sure seems like he’s running the show down there. I don’t think we heard from their GM once. 

[Special K]

29 minutes ago, SCBills said:

So because the Giants made a ridiculous pick given their roster make up, Urban decided that Jax also needed to make a ridiculous pick given their roster make up.  

Giants gonna “Giant”!!

 

Jaguars gonna  “Jaguar”!!

Edited May 2, 2021 by Special K

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Considering the Bills didn't look to sign a guy like Shelton or Snacks, didn't draft one, and Star said it himself, Star playing this year is 100% (barring any unforeseen circumstances).

 

Of course he's going to show up.......he's not going to walk away from that guaranteed money.      The question is whether they deem him roster worthy at the end of August.    I'd say that's a 50/50 chance for him or any other minimum salary level quality of player.

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Special K said:

Giants gonna “Giant”!!

 

Jaguars gonna  “Jaguar”!!

Nothing beats the Jets gonna Jet 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Warren G's son.  Ain't no fun, if your homies can have nun

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

With their current roster, Jacksonville drafting Ettiene was idiotic. 

The Ettiene pick had a Russ Brandon vibe to it

[Dablitzkrieg]

5 hours ago, AmishRifle said:

How can you say that when Macho Man was at the draft?

That dude did a hell of a job with his manorisms

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Of course he's going to show up.......he's not going to walk away from that guaranteed money.      The question is whether they deem him roster worthy at the end of August.    I'd say that's a 50/50 chance for him or any other minimum salary level quality of player.

 

We'll see but I'm sure Star knows what's expected of him.  They've been keeping in-contact with him throughout and likely have been monitoring his weight and workouts.  And hopefully the year off has made him realize how much he misses football.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Doc

[bobobonators]

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Here's where you really find the diamonds in the rough. 50% of NFL players are undrafted. 

I dont think this is accurate. But im not 100% sure. 

[BillsShredder83]

20 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Easy... Jaret Patterson, RB University of Buffalo. 

Yessss! Get him innnnnn

[BillsShredder83]

18 hours ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:

Welcome Olaiajah Griffin 

 

 

Warren Gs son lol mount uppppp

[QLBillsFan]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We'll see but I'm sure Star knows what's expected of him.  They've been keeping in-contact with him throughout and likely have been monitoring his weight and workouts.  And hopefully the year off has made him realize how much he misses football.

Why would we expect Star not too play this year? If that were the case I would expect the Bills would have gone DT in draft. But they should certainly bring in FA. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Reks Ryan said:

You totally made up that statistic. Can you name 1 NFL team that had 27 UDFAs  on their 53 man roster at any point in the season last year?

 

Well...According to pro-football-reference, the Bills had 25 UDFA on their roster last season

Which is pretty close to 27

 

BUT, that list of roster members includes 69 players (includes PS as well as guys who were IRd or cut), so 25/69 = 36%

 

I expect the percentage is lower on the actual active roster is lower - it's a bit harder to figure last season with the unique PS rules but running my eyes down the list and not counting guys who were just up for a game, I think I counted 15/53 or 28%

 

For the guys on the field regularly, it would be 4/22 or 18%

 

I guess 50% could be true for the off-season 90 man roster

 

17 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yessss! Get him innnnnn

 

Too late he already signed ...with WFT I think

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Why would we expect Star not too play this year? If that were the case I would expect the Bills would have gone DT in draft. But they should certainly bring in FA. 

 

BADOL is thinking Star stands a good chance of not being in shape or motivated. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

27 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Yessss! Get him innnnnn

Too late unfortunately.  He gone.

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

BADOL is thinking Star stands a good chance of not being in shape or motivated. 

 

More broadly,  perhaps not good enough to even make this roster.    

[Augie]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well...According to pro-football-reference, the Bills had 25 UDFA on their roster last season

Which is pretty close to 27

 

BUT, that list of roster members includes 69 players (includes PS as well as guys who were IRd or cut), so 25/69 = 36%

 

I expect the percentage is lower on the actual active roster is lower - it's a bit harder to figure last season with the unique PS rules but running my eyes down the list and not counting guys who were just up for a game, I think I counted 15/53 or 28%

 

For the guys on the field regularly, it would be 4/22 or 18%

 

I guess 50% could be true for the off-season 90 man roster

 

 

Too late he already signed ...with WFT I think

 

My guess is he “herd” Colin Cowherd say 50% are undrafted, because he says that a LOT. Sorry, I’ve never asked him to show the work on his math.  🤷‍♂️

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

More broadly,  perhaps not good enough to even make this roster.    

 

If that's the case, so be it.  Cutting him after June 1st saves almost $500K. 

[Locomark]

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Here's where you really find the diamonds in the rough. 50% of NFL players are undrafted. 

Is this a real stat? 

[QLBillsFan]

16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

More broadly,  perhaps not good enough to even make this roster.    

Hmm my only response is were last year run issues more him being out? Not sure ? My point is we were bad against run so Bills FO assume we are immediately better with him back? Because they up to this juncture have done nothing to improve interior run D. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, QLBillsFan said:

Hmm my only response is were last year run issues more him being out? Not sure ? My point is we were bad against run so Bills FO assume we are immediately better with him back? Because they up to this juncture have done nothing to improve interior run D. 

 

 

Not trying to hijack the thread here.........but the Bills were just middle of the league.......not good........against the run in 2019 with a very healthy defense against one of the easiest schedules they've played in the over 40 years since the league went to 16 games.   They were mediocre against the run against a very tough schedule and with significant injuries to the LB corps last year.    Though they proved capable of shutting down Derrick Henry(his worst game of 2020) and the NFL's top rushing team Baltimore in the playoffs.    The perception that they were terrible against the run, relative to the rest of the league, is incorrect.   

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not trying to hijack the thread here.........but the Bills were just middle of the league.......not good........against the run in 2019 with a very healthy defense against one of the easiest schedules they've played in the over 40 years since the league went to 16 games.   They were mediocre against the run against a very tough schedule and with significant injuries to the LB corps last year.    Though they proved capable of shutting down Derrick Henry(his worst game of 2020) and the NFL's top rushing team Baltimore in the playoffs.    The perception that they were terrible against the run, relative to the rest of the league, is incorrect.   

The beauty of having McDermott as HC is that with Buffalo weather, it may hurt our passing game from time to time, but if it hurts our passing game, it definitely makes the opponent one dimensional.  
 

It’s next to impossible to do anything against a McD Defense if you’re one dimensional. 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

BADOL is thinking Star stands a good chance of not being in shape or motivated. 

Count me in on this train of thought.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Locomark said:

Is this a real stat? 

 

I think not.  See above.  Somewhere around 30% UDFA, more realistic (25-35%).  The other point is most of the PS guys who eventually become solid contributors to an NFL roster take a few years to do so.    Justin Zimmer kicking around the league on 3 different teams, bouncing up and down from the practice squad before getting a shot to play consistently would be a good example.

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

If that's the case, so be it.  Cutting him after June 1st saves almost $500K. 

 

It'll depend on how he shows up and shows out in camp, of course, but given how little the Bills have behind him at 1TDT they seem to be counting on him.

[Simon Says]

22 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Easy... Jaret Patterson, RB University of Buffalo. 

He is signing  with Washington

22 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Here's where you really find the diamonds in the rough. 50% of NFL players are undrafted. 

More like 30%